Bills can kill 2 birds with 1 stone

[Nebillzfan]

I think price would be a great pick. I think for the 22nd pick I am down with defensive tackle but would be alright with bpa

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:

I like Price and mentioned the Bills and him a fit in an earlier post...but if the Bills are sitting at 21 and no QBs are available...they failed. With all the picks we have this year and the picks we have next year you get your QB by any means necessary.

 

Well, what if the Bills only like one QB, and they can't trade up high enough to grab him because he went #1?  Are you one of those who just wants a first round QB and any of the ones the pundits like will do?

[Magox]

2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I do like Price, but I wonder why Groy didn't see time at RG when Ducasse struggled. I don't know if the staff sees him as a fit there. 

Because Ducasse didn't struggle nearly as much the peanut gallery know at TBD believed that he did.

[BuffAlone]

41 minutes ago, Original Byrd Man said:

Or maybe they find their swing man in the draft or through FA.  I thought Groy was pretty solid.  He didn't have the savvy of Wood but was much more physical.

Yeah, I didn't realize he's actually bigger and stronger than Wood. Was a great signing to keep him here IMO. Any combination like that, and Im ok to roll into next season. Put Vlad on the bench for emergency use only!

[Bills Pimpin']

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Well it's not ideal buddy... I am over TT being our starting QB

 

but

 

if our only other option is Peterman... I'll take TT lol

Oh I get it, I just hope it doesn't come to that....

[TigerJ]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

I do like Price, but I wonder why Groy didn't see time at RG when Ducasse struggled. I don't know if the staff sees him as a fit there. 

That's my question too.  If the Bills draft a plug and play center, what will be different about the 2018 season for me as a Bills fan to think that the Bills will start Groy at guard ahead of Miller/Ducasse?  Free agency will answer some of the questions we all have (and probably cause a few new ones to be raised.  I'm not going to get too tied in to what I think the Bills should do in that first round of the draft until free agency changes the picture to whatever degree that happens.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

Well, what if the Bills only like one QB, and they can't trade up high enough to grab him because he went #1?  Are you one of those who just wants a first round QB and any of the ones the pundits like will do?

I'm one of the ones that believes that the incoming crop has enough depth in it there should be at MINIMUM 2 that they feel confident in. One goes, you move heaven and Earth to get the next.

 

I don't necessarily want a 1st round pundit favorite. Do not want Mason Rudolph. Still iffy at best about Jackson. But there are enough talented QBs this year to land one with the ammo we have.

[KDIGGZ]

I don't think we should be killing birds 

[LA Grant]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

If the Bills do not trade up and sit on the clock at 21-22 they can make a non flashy, but a very Dividends paying pick

 

if we sit at 21-22 and no QB is available I would run to the podium to select Billy Price C/OG from OSU

 

 

He is freakishly strong and very explosive and looks like a 12+ year mauler 

 

Slotting Price at C , we can move Groy to RG and kill 2 birds with 1 stone

 

we also can then flip Dawkins or Glenn to RT and we have a solid pair of bookend Tackles for years

 

Glenn-Incognito-Price-Groy-Dawkins looks like a damn fine line to me

 

 

I like this plan. 

[BillsVet]

Drafting interior OL, LB, DT, or S high without being much better at QB is a recipe for failure or, even worse, mediocrity. 

 

Those are nice to have positions, but spending premium draft picks on them is typically not the answer. Players there don't effect the final score enough in most cases to be worth first round picks. 

 

I'd rather see Buffalo aggressively pursue the QB and fill those positions in with your 2-4th rounds or medium priced UFAs. Problem is, they've drafted poorly beyond round 2 for a long time and haven't found the value there. 

[whatdrought]

24 minutes ago, Magox said:

Because Ducasse didn't struggle nearly as much the peanut gallery know at TBD believed that he did.

 

I do wonder about that. In fact, it seems as if he was quite serviceable. For what it's worth, he was rated as average by PFF.

[GrizzReaper]

If they can't get the QB they want I think Billy Price is definitely the pick at 21. Then at 22 take Don Payne to help out our D. Heck maybe even take Isaih Wynn at 22 and let Shady do work behind a good line. 

[SoTier]

 

1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Not if you have a turnstile at RT.  Plenty of teams are lining their best pass rushers up against the RT, or whoever the weak point of the line is.  It's been YEARS since we got strong play out of RT, I was under the impression Dawkins was drafted to shore up RT (they also pursued Ricky Wagner in FA) and it was  happy accident he played well as a plug in at LT.

 

I think this was the plan at the draft that got derailed by Glenn's injury.   The Bills haven't had a good pair of bookends at OT in forever ... it's why the Bills need to keep Glenn if he's healthy however tempting it might be to trade him.  Unless they need to use him to move up to get the QB they want, I wouldn't like that they traded him. 

 

1 hour ago, BuffAlone said:

I think Miller goes back to starting RG. He'll be close to his old form before the Dennison scheme weeded him out. Groy can start at C if need be, but ideally, he remains the C/G swing man. If somehow we Do manage a starting C in the draft or FA, and get Miller back in for Ducasse, or line would look alot better. And with Cordy's age/health, he might be best served as our RT. Starters would look really good like Dawkins/Incognito/Price,Groy, FA/ Miller/Glenn

 

I agree except for the OTs.  See my thoughts above.  Glenn's foot is either going to be fixed by surgery or it's not; for an OLer, it can't really be allowed to be a chronic condition.  So, if Glenn comes back healthy, his health isn't a factor.  Neither is his age since most OTs can play into their mid/late thirties these days.  More importantly, while Dawkins played well as a rookie, he didn't play LT as well as Glenn does when healthy.   He may also be physically better suited to play RT than LT (since he was originally drafted to play the right side).

 

I think the entire OL except Ducasse struggled adjusting to Dennison's blocking scheme, which suggests that none of them are particularly physically well suited to it, so they would probably all benefit from a switch.  Resurrecting Miller would be a major win for the Bills because they could then concentrate on adding youngsters at guard/center to eventually replace Incognito and Groy.

 

11 minutes ago, Magox said:

Because Ducasse didn't struggle nearly as much the peanut gallery know at TBD believed that he did.

 

Ducasse was a bust as a second round pick of the Jests, and has bounced around the league since as a backup guard.  He didn't suddenly improve because he moved to WNY.  He improved because his linemates struggled.

 

33 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

I don't think we should be killing birds 

 

Killing starlings, house sparrows, and monk parrots (all non-native species) is okay.  Others, no ... although you may feel differently if a family of crows decide to nest in your neighborhood. 

 

25 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

Drafting interior OL, LB, DT, or S high without being much better at QB is a recipe for failure or, even worse, mediocrity. 

 

Those are nice to have positions, but spending premium draft picks on them is typically not the answer. Players there don't effect the final score enough in most cases to be worth first round picks. 

 

I'd rather see Buffalo aggressively pursue the QB and fill those positions in with your 2-4th rounds or medium priced UFAs. Problem is, they've drafted poorly beyond round 2 for a long time and haven't found the value there. 

 

You got that backasswards, sir.  Having a good OL makes all but the most incompetent QBs better, and it can make a good QB more successful than a great one.

[BuffAlone]

3 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

 

I think this was the plan at the draft that got derailed by Glenn's injury.   The Bills haven't had a good pair of bookends at OT in forever ... it's why the Bills need to keep Glenn if he's healthy however tempting it might be to trade him.  Unless they need to use him to move up to get the QB they want, I wouldn't like that they traded him. 

 

 

I agree except for the OTs.  See my thoughts above.  Glenn's foot is either going to be fixed by surgery or it's not; for an OLer, it can't really be allowed to be a chronic condition.  So, if Glenn comes back healthy, his health isn't a factor.  Neither is his age since most OTs can play into their mid/late thirties these days.  More importantly, while Dawkins played well as a rookie, he didn't play LT as well as Glenn does when healthy.   He may also be physically better suited to play RT than LT (since he was originally drafted to play the right side).

 

I think the entire OL except Ducasse struggled adjusting to Dennison's blocking scheme, which suggests that none of them are particularly physically well suited to it, so they would probably all benefit from a switch.  Resurrecting Miller would be a major win for the Bills because they could then concentrate on adding youngsters at guard/center to eventually replace Incognito and Groy.

 

 

Ducasse was a bust as a second round pick of the Jests, and has bounced around the league since as a backup guard.  He didn't suddenly improve because he moved to WNY.  He improved because his linemates struggled.

 

I hear what you're saying about the foot. Is it his left foot, or right? I guess that would factor into his spot on the line. Bum left foot can still play the left, as he's pushing off with the right, and vice versa. And IDC what the money is, if he can man Either OT spot, he should be a starter for us. Although I must admit...after seeing the Rook play well at LT, I'd be hard pressed to move him at this point. He may well have walked into a nice second contract because of injury, and I'd be just fine with that

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Well it's not ideal buddy... I am over TT being our starting QB

 

but

 

if our only other option is Peterman... I'll take TT lol

 

Sad but true.

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

Is there a hand in a bush somewhere in this story?

Not sure we want to go there 

 

ToC and all. 

[Capco]

Title should have read "Bills can get 2 birds stoned at once" 

[BillsFan130]

Get two birds stoned at once

[Rico]

Kill the big bird with many stones and trade up please.

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Probably insurance for wood if he went down...

 

can't lose your  swing center to injury playing guard... especially now that we know that wood had a neck stinger this year

So, why would Groy play guard this year, when he’s the backup center?  Or do we have to draft 2 centers, price and his backup.

 

Sorry if this has has been asked and answered already. Just started reading the thread

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Original Byrd Man said:

Miller ended up in the dog house when he struggled with the wonderful Zone blocking scheme.  Evidently Dennison never heard the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fixit".  Also Vlad was evidently a love child of Castillo.  Hopefully things change this year.  I also don't expect Glenn to last.  I think he will be part of a draft deal.

Castillo was signed before OC last year and I do not expect it or use of Vlad.

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, Rico said:

Kill the big bird with many stones and trade up please.

 

Big bird is an endangered species, and a favorite among youngsters. Be sure you don’t get caught. 

[Punching Bag]

14 minutes ago, Rico said:

Kill the big bird with many stones and trade up please.

 

Kill the stoners and make the world better.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

So, why would Groy play guard this year, when he’s the backup center?  Or do we have to draft 2 centers, price and his backup.

 

Sorry if this has has been asked and answered already. Just started reading the thread

 

That's a good question... you can certainly have Groy play Center and Price guard but you would want a blue chipper like Price as the Center making the line calls

 

Centers can usually transition to guard pretty smoothly...

 

we can sign a backup perhaps after the draft if we went this route

[B-Man]

 I think that you could trade down your #21 to #30 , pick up another pick (stone) and still kill your bird (Price)

 

 

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[Fadingpain]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So if Jackson were available at 21-22 you would say "pass" at this point?

 

I would love to have Jackson or Rudolph in the 2nd (or even Allen) but if they're there when we pick at 21-22, no guarantee they make it into the 2nd.

 

I'm with you on TT, in fact one step further: keep until we have another QB who demonstrates they can play better

Not interested in Jackson at any spot; that's an EJ type pick (a waste before it's even made).

 

Rudolph OK but we need more of a QB plan than "build up the OL".

 

We can build the Berlin Wall in front of the QB, but if it is still going to be Tyrod or someone about that good, we still won't do a ton of winning.

 

I think the Bills are going to wheel and deal and get us a QB.

 

Can't wait to see if that is true or not.

[billspro]

4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Obviously these QBs can develop and become better than what they are 

 

but right now I would only be comfortable taking Rosen, Darnold and Baker round 1...

 

if jackson and Rudolph and even Allen fell to round 2 the value is would be good... they won't have as much pressure and can sit for a while and develop 

 

At this point I don't get rid of TT until we have another QB

 

This is such a deep QB class, it is a good year to need a QB. I think Rosen and Darnold will most likely go 1 and 2, Mayfield will probably go between 5 and 15. The next cluster of QBs is where it gets interesting because there is not much separation. Allen is tough to figure out, he could go from top 10 to the end of round 2. I believe Jackson and White will go in round 2 and there is a good chance Rudolph goes in round 2 as well. I watched games on all the QBs over the weekend and I have Mike White as the fourth QB (I know none of the draft experts agree with that but they are wrong all of the time). You don't find many seniors that have his arm strength, accuracy, and production that make it into the second round. 

 

I completely agree though, those are the guys I have a first round grade on. Allen has major red flags (completion percentage, accuracy drops off after first read, misses easy throws), Jackson has great tools and should be the next Vick with a creative OC but if you don't have one he will fail, and I am not sure Rudolph has the arm strength of a starting NFL QB. I still need to watch more games on Falk, I didn't see many NFL throws on tape, that offence if tough to evaluate. 

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I think Vander Esch is creeping up... but he is pretty raw. Doesn't have much time on the field

 

Ya he will probably go in round 2 unless he blows up the combine. 

[Cripple Creek]

5 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

And who would you take at 22? Is there a way for us to kill 3 birds with one stone?

They don't do math in CA?

[#34fan]

3 hours ago, BillsVet said:

Drafting interior OL, LB, DT, or S high without being much better at QB is a recipe for failure or, even worse, mediocrity. 

 

Those are nice to have positions, but spending premium draft picks on them is typically not the answer. Players there don't effect the final score enough in most cases to be worth first round picks. 

 

 

No LB or DT huh?... What happens when your highly touted rookie turns the ball over three times vs. a team that can run the rock?

 

With Dareus gone, I'd want Da'ron Payne around to soak up that run... Rashaan Evans to help him clean up... 

 

A. Donald was already a permanent fixture on that D-line when Goff showed up... Kroenke made sure his rookie had a strong supporting cast with plenty of

 

help at RB, WR, and TE...

 

You don't build a house roof-first.

Edited February 26, 2018 by #34fan

[8-8 Forever?]

6 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I thought I remember reading (forget which site/article) that Miller suffered under Dennison's zone blocking scheme.  Miller is more of a straight ahead power blocker.

Yep.   Miller will be back now that the crazy stretch blocking crap has gone to where Rex's crazy D is.  the trash heap.  

[#34fan]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Kill the stoners and make the world better.

 

No. Stone the Killers and make the world better.

[Da webster guy]

Groy did well at center, he was retained for that reason.    On the other hand, we simply have too many holes in our front 7 that need addressing I just can't imagine not hammering two young first round defensive starters if we stayed put. 

[#34fan]

55 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Groy did well at center, he was retained for that reason.    On the other hand, we simply have too many holes in our front 7 that need addressing I just can't imagine not hammering two young first round defensive starters if we stayed put. 

 

1st round talent for D-line  would be a HUGE get... We had the 28th-ranked run D at the end of last season... Da'ron Payne makes perfect sense if he's there... 

 

I personally think Jackson is two years awayfrom being anything REMOTELY like a a pro QB, but hell... If he's there in the 2nd pull the trigger... Some on the

 

board think the undersized Maurice Hurst would work at 21 or 22.. I'd have to say NO WAY to that... My pick at DT is Payne...  LB Rashaan Evans in Versatile,

 

intuitive, and speedy... I understand teams being afraid of theGroin-injury issue, but that's why you do your homework... Payne at 21, and (if he's healthy)

 

Evans at 22, and lets go BILLS D!!!!

 

 

Edited February 26, 2018 by #34fan

[Ga boy]

8 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

4 birds with 2 stones would be better ... Do as the OP mentioned and then at #22 draft Lamar Jackson ... He could be our starting QB and Tyrod could be our #2 RB, #3 WR, kickoff return specialist and wildcat guy.

Isn't that a covey of birds with 2 stones??

[transplantbillsfan]

Good God this draft and Free Agency period is going to be super exciting!

 

Wood's unfortunate retirement makes this a serious possibility. But without even looking at any of the responses yet, I'll ask the question impact sure multiple posters have asked you:

 

Who's the QB? 

Edited February 26, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[John from Riverside]

I think this really needs to be the year we take a stab at QB....unless we are going to back up the brinks truck for Cousins

 

I like players like Miller at RG and Groy at C.......

[Victory Formation]

We're like fish at the bottom of the ocean waiting for leftovers to sink down to us. We don't know what we're going to be eating, but something is going to drop.

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, #34fan said:

 

No LB or DT huh?... What happens when your highly touted rookie turns the ball over three times vs. a team that can run the rock?

 

With Dareus gone, I'd want Da'ron Payne around to soak up that run... Rashaan Evans to help him clean up... 

 

A. Donald was already a permanent fixture on that D-line when Goff showed up... Kroenke made sure his rookie had a strong supporting cast with plenty of

 

help at RB, WR, and TE...

 

You don't build a house roof-first.

 

I didn't say not to improve the LB or DT positions, just that spending first rounders isn't what will make this a strong team.  From a resource allocation perspective I'll find LBs and DT's later in the draft and use premium picks on the hard to find positions. And if that means trading up for a QB then so be it. 

 

Few people know who plays DT for the Jaguars. Or, who the LBs are for Philadelphia. Or New England's OG's or safeties. 

 

McD didn't trade down so far last year to make sure he had the picks to get a DT or LB. He knew it'd take more draft capital in 2018 to move up for, I suspect, the QB.  Whether that happens now is another matter but I can't see this team entering the coming season without a QB prospect.

 

Besides, I wouldn't be depending so heavily on rookies to come in and provide the difference in the front 7 like you are. 

[cba fan]

9 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

And who would you take at 22? Is there a way for us to kill 3 birds with one stone?

lol...yes.

 

A Treepeat.......

[Victory Formation]

Man, too bad Quenton Nelson is a top 10 lock, he is a future HOFer, he is my favorite player in the draft. I think Connor Williams is going to be an All Pro RT as well. If Cordy Glenn is traded, Dawkins and Connor Williams would make for a disgusting OL.