DefenseWins Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/22/report-rams-appear-more-likely-to-tag-lamarcus-joyner-than-sammy-watkins/ Sound familiar? Too much pay wanted for not enough production... Same old - Same old... Edited February 23, 2018 by DefenseWins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, DefenseWins said: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/22/report-rams-appear-more-likely-to-tag-lamarcus-joyner-than-sammy-watkins/ Sound familiar? Very much so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Me to Sammy when FA starts: 6 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I just don't think Sammy is a playmaker. He's a good WR and a hollow number one.( he puts up WR 2/3 numbers). I just dont think sammy is a plug and play guy. He's a WR that needs to be in the perfect situation. And I think that means having a number one ahead of him. I think Atlanta or maybe SF would be a good fit for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Good for him. He’s in the past and not a concern of Bills fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I still think Sammy is better than anyone currently on the Bills roster at the WR position. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I still think Sammy is better than anyone currently on the Bills roster at the WR position. Probably is, but we have a pretty terrible group so it isn't saying much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Me to Sammy when FA starts: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Wrotto Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 The perennial under-achieving superstar. It's tough to admit for some, but the Bills are a much better team without Sammy Watkins. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmuggs Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Samantha will always be a disappointment. We be working our asses off with our Little jobs and he just keeps complaining. A locker room cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Joe Webb's package is the only #14 on this team...except he's a free agent. Sammy with Benjamin sounds pretty damn good, but not very likely at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 The guy is about to be on his third team in five years. Has played a full season once Has never hit double digit touchdowns Has went over a thousand yards once and we are still wondering if he is a legit number one why? He was a horrible mistake that set the franchise back. No clue why anyone would be waiting in line to bring him back here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Very much so. 10 bucks he signs with new England 1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I still think Sammy is better than anyone currently on the Bills roster at the WR position. You're probably right, and had he been a bill this season, Tyrod would've probably had better numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: The guy is about to be on his third team in five years. Has played a full season once Has never hit double digit touchdowns Has went over a thousand yards once and we are still wondering if he is a legit number one why? He was a horrible mistake that set the franchise back. No clue why anyone would be waiting in line to bring him back here. I got to agree with you. Does he suck? No Is he a head case? Yes Is he a number one receiver? Definitely not 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I still think Sammy is better than anyone currently on the Bills roster at the WR position. That doesn't say much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 In hindsight, that was a phenomenal trade. Regardless if Gaines re signs. Very bold move for a rookie GM too and I love that he pulled the trigger. Now he has chances at FOUR top 55 prospects, and continue to lay the foundation. I love the direction the Franchise is headed. We're in good hands. Might be the first off season I've ever said those words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: The guy is about to be on his third team in five years. Has played a full season once Has never hit double digit touchdowns Has went over a thousand yards once and we are still wondering if he is a legit number one why? He was a horrible mistake that set the franchise back. No clue why anyone would be waiting in line to bring him back here. Oh.....stats? At 24 he's put up over 3,000 yards and 25 TD's. Eric Moulds had just over 500 yards and 2 TD's at that point in his career. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I still think Sammy is better than anyone currently on the Bills roster at the WR position. I agree. KB has put together a better year and was clearly injured. He has the potential to be better for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: I agree. KB has put together a better year and was clearly injured. He has the potential to be better for sure Benjamin scored 3 TDs to Watkins' 8. How did he have a better year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 If I’m Sammy, I’m calling the niners and trying to sign on with jimmy g even if it’s a 1 year deal. He’d kill it on that team next season KB is broken. We’ll have him for one more season and he’ll be gone or on the team and still broken. I’ll be surprised if his knees are ever healthy again. He’s gonna get smacked on his knees every time he gets tackled. Sad, because he’s talented. Yet broken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Benjamin scored 3 TDs to Watkins' 8. How did he have a better year? I meant KB has had better seasons than Sammy. For some reason I thought he had a monster year 2, so I was wrong there. BUT. Looking at the numbers they've had almost identical first 3 years though, didn't realize it was so close. Point was KB definitely has the ability to be a better WR than Sammy. Excited to watch him healthy next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: I meant KB has had better seasons than Sammy. For some reason I thought he had a monster year 2, so I was wrong there. BUT. Looking at the numbers they've had almost identical first 3 years though, didn't realize it was so close. Point was KB definitely has the ability to be a better WR than Sammy. Excited to watch him healthy next year. I don't agree with that at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I don't agree with that at all. Why is that? Watkins obviously has the speed and hands advantage. KB has the freakish size. Their numbers for year 1-3 are nearly identical. I don't see any reason KB can't out produce Sammy in next few years. Vice versa as well. I just think their overall impact on the field is closer than ppl think Edited February 23, 2018 by JerseyBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, JerseyBills said: Why is that? Watkins obviously has the speed and hands advantage. KB has the freakish size. Their numbers for year 1-3 are nearly identical. I don't see any reason KB can't out produce Sammy in next few years. Vice versa as well. 2nd knee injury for Benjamin makes me skeptical of his long term viability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 2nd knee injury for Benjamin makes me skeptical of his long term viability. Well that'd certainly be a good reason. Haven't heard any reports though that Bills are concerned with this. Many players have came back to form after multiple knee injuries, Mcl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 30 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Oh.....stats? At 24 he's put up over 3,000 yards and 25 TD's. Eric Moulds had just over 500 yards and 2 TD's at that point in his career. There's a difference between starting your career as the number 1 WR on your team and number 3 and 4 WR on your team. Moulds played behind Reed and Early. Watkins played behind nobody. Those numbers are misleading junior. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I still think Sammy is better than anyone currently on the Bills roster at the WR position. You must be a scout, no? 35 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Oh.....stats? At 24 he's put up over 3,000 yards and 25 TD's. Eric Moulds had just over 500 yards and 2 TD's at that point in his career. Yet, somehow it doesn't quite feel like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 53 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: I meant KB has had better seasons than Sammy. For some reason I thought he had a monster year 2, so I was wrong there. BUT. Looking at the numbers they've had almost identical first 3 years though, didn't realize it was so close. Point was KB definitely has the ability to be a better WR than Sammy. Excited to watch him healthy next year. KB had an okay year, he had 1003 yards.. I'd take Sammy over him all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: There's a difference between starting your career as the number 1 WR on your team and number 3 and 4 WR on your team. Moulds played behind Reed and Early. Watkins played behind nobody. Those numbers are misleading junior. Nah. Moulds had the opportunity to play with Jim Kelly......he was drafted to be an instant impact player like Keyshawn, Harrison, Glenn and Kennison were from that same group......... but he was a VERY, VERY immature individual(dodging child support and choking out girlfriends) at an older age than Sammy who was focused enough on business to put up numbers. The Bills mishandled Watkins.........he shouldn't have been put in the WR room as a 20 year old without a veteran to help show him what he didn't know. Instead he got caught up in bad habits that he could point to as getting him to where he was...........like the over-training that lead to his foot injury........and that derailed him in 2016. By the time they brought in Anquan Boldin Watkins was a 4 year vet with a chip on his shoulder about his handling and it was going to take work to get his head right.........work the Bills weren't confident they were up to. Hence.......trade. And WR transactions that happen late in the process rarely yield good statistical seasons. See James Lofton in 1989........12 games......166 yards. The next two years he put up close to 1800 yards. Kelvin Benjamin and Jordan Matthews were examples of this right in front of our faces this year. Funny how Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods put up better combined numbers with Tyrod in 2015 than they did with Goff in 2017 and yet KB and Matthews were bad with Tyrod. Familiarity matters a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: KB had an okay year, he had 1003 yards.. I'd take Sammy over him all day. I would too. But factor in cost and I'm taking KB next year all day. Again it comes down to production,which was identical 3/4 years , because of injuries KB was very limited in year 4. Ill take the extra 6-7 mil n take KB all day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 32 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Yet, somehow it doesn't quite feel like it. It doesn't feel like it to you because you doubt his ability. Had he played with Tyrod this past season he'd have put up his best totals to date.......well over 1,000 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: KB had an okay year, he had 1003 yards.. I'd take Sammy over him all day. Not this season. he had 692 yards with 3 TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theAteam Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) I would love to get Sammy back at a discount but !@#$ paying him elite $$ Him and KB would be a good duo taking attention off each other. Edited February 23, 2018 by theAteam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 8 hours ago, M. Wrotto said: The perennial under-achieving superstar. It's tough to admit for some, but the Bills are a much better team without Sammy Watkins. Could not agree more 6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: It doesn't feel like it to you because you doubt his ability. Had he played with Tyrod this past season he'd have put up his best totals to date.......well over 1,000 yards. Keep dreaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Oh.....stats? At 24 he's put up over 3,000 yards and 25 TD's. Eric Moulds had just over 500 yards and 2 TD's at that point in his career. You fail to mention Eric had started 28 games by the time he was 25 compared to the 52 for Sammy. Eric wasnt on the field for most of his first two seasons. Secondly I never said Sammy wasn't a talented player. That route he put on Revis during his secons year here is still one of my favorites ever. But talent without production doesnt mean jack. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 8 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I don't agree with that at all. Nor me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 6 hours ago, theAteam said: I would love to get Sammy back at a discount but !@#$ paying him elite $$ Him and KB would be a good duo taking attention off each other. Just No! McBeane determined Sammy wasn’t their type of guy and got rid of him. FOGGETABOUTIT! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 8 hours ago, JerseyBills said: In hindsight, that was a phenomenal trade. Regardless if Gaines re signs. Very bold move for a rookie GM too and I love that he pulled the trigger. Now he has chances at FOUR top 55 prospects, and continue to lay the foundation. I love the direction the Franchise is headed. We're in good hands. Might be the first off season I've ever said those words. Just goes to show you that Beane knows much more than our resident "experts" on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Always liked Sammy. He has a great blend of speed, hands and route running. Unfortunately for him he got stuck with a myriad of mediocre QBs and OCs that could never optimize his talents. When he was force fed and targeted his numbers reflected impressive results. The kid can ball but he also finds himself often injured. If healthy, he and KB would be quite the 1-2 punch presuming we acquire a QB that you know, targets his WR's. Yeah, I know he had Goff last year, but being traded late a 1st year WR in a new scheme with that many weapons already there doesn't bode well. No chemistry going in and obviously none developed during the season like with Kupp and Woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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