JinxedBill1 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 5 hours ago, SAFTB said: All this QB talk is great but the safest pick, and the best pick in this draft is Penn State running back Saquan Barkley. I've watched him throughout college and he will be one of the BEST running backs to play this game when all is said and done. The things he does on the field is jaw dropping and off the field he's a stand up guy.  Trade McCoy to get rid of that contract AND to get younger AND better. Trade up to #2 and get the future Hall of Famer and build around him.  Sign a QB like Bradford, draft a QB in the 2nd round and let him sit a year to learn.  This will get us on the path of winning consistently  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg    1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8billsfan Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 He is a great RB, no doubt. I'd get him if we had a QB already, unfortunately, the Browns will get him and a QB this year. I say we trade up for a QB, get an OT, WRx2, NT in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Barkley is going to go #1 overall most likely and Cleveland isn’t trading that pick, then they will grab Allen or another QB at 4. So I don’t think we could trade up for him even if we wanted to.   Barkley is a rare generational talent IMO.  I think he has a strong chance to become one of the best RBs in the NFL for the next decade, if not the best.  But, we need a QB if we trade up, can’t give up the assets to get anything other than a QB.  Plus, this draft is deep at RB and I actually do expect a RB to be drafted at some point personally given McCoys age and cost.  I think it’s going to be someone like Penny though between rounds 3 and 4.  We have too many holes to trade a ton of picks to get a RB instead of a QB.  Although, I would love it if Bills signed Cousins then landed Barkley in a trade up  even though i think there is almost no chance of that happening lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 How about no on going all in for Barkley. Â i agree that the Bills might draft a RB high because RB2 is one major weakness on this club. And none of us should complain if the Bills take a RB high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, njbuff said: How about no on going all in for Barkley.  i agree that the Bills might draft a RB high because RB2 is one major weakness on this club. And none of us should complain if the Bills take a RB high. We need an upgrade from mike Tolbert. Which shouldn’t be hard to do through free agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 11 hours ago, SAFTB said: All this QB talk is great but the safest pick, and the best pick in this draft is Penn State running back Saquan Barkley. I've watched him throughout college and he will be one of the BEST running backs to play this game when all is said and done. The things he does on the field is jaw dropping and off the field he's a stand up guy.  Trade McCoy to get rid of that contract AND to get younger AND better. Trade up to #2 and get the future Hall of Famer and build around him.  Sign a QB like Bradford, draft a QB in the 2nd round and let him sit a year to learn.  This will get us on the path of winning consistently  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg  it's easier to learn while playing....there's nothing wrong with McCoy's contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob2232 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I love this kid.  Great player.  Great guy.  I expect him to be the best back in the nfl in short order.  But it it’s not what we need.  Good backs can be found later.  I’d rather we pick up Michel in the 3rd round or something like that.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 12 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: CJ Spiller Trent Richardson says hello Trading up two firsts for a RB is something Nix might do and even Whaley would only do that for a WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Trading up two firsts for a RB is something Nix might do and even Whaley would only do that for a WR.   When did Nix do anything like that? He didn't. Pretty much what he did was build a terrific defense, but not ever get a good QB or successor at GM.  Anyway, while getting an RB early can be sensible in a few situations, we aren't in any of those kinds of spots. And trading up to do so ... insane in any situation at this point. I think this guy was doing a pretty solid job of trolling. Lots of takers, including me, really. Edited February 19, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Drafting running backs in Round 1 has always gotten us places in the past and this time we can even give up multiple draft picks to do it! Â Awesome idea!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) He is a faster version of Zeke, but you don't sell the farm for a RB. Shady, who has proven to be one of the better RB's of his generation, was a 2nd Round pick. If you are at the top and have your QB already then by all means take Barkley. Edited February 19, 2018 by H2o 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 20 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:   When did Nix do anything like that? He didn't. Pretty much what he did was build a terrific defense, but not ever get a good QB or successor at GM.  Anyway, while getting an RB early can be sensible in a few situations, we aren't in any of those kinds of spots. And trading up to do so ... insane in any situation at this point. I think this guy was doing a pretty solid job of trolling. Lots of takers, including me, really. Yep, I was just trolling with that Nix comment trading up for a RB. It was Wilson who loved drafting RB's.  However, Nix did trade up in the 2012 NFL draft to get WR TJ Graham in the third round #69th pick and then boasted "see, I do trade up".  Meanwhile, Nix missed on QB Russell Wilson in the third round #75 and QB Nick Foles in the third round #88th pick. Ty Hilton went in the third round #92 pick and finally, QB Kirk Cousins was a fourth rounder #102 pick.  If Nix knew what he was doing the Bills would have been better than 4-12, 6-10, 6-10 and no defense under Nix did better than 14th in 2011. His defenses might have had decent talent but they were in the 20's stat wise.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Trading up two firsts for a RB is something Nix might do and even Whaley would only do that for a WR.  the Browns smartest move of the last twenty years was getting their first back from the Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:  the Browns smartest move of the last twenty years was getting their first back from the Colts. Unfortunately they used it to draft Johnny manziel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 14 hours ago, PIZ said:  Getting close. Draft is April 26. Right around the corner.   If my math is correct, and I believe it is, the draft is literally infinity days away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Unfortunately they used it to draft Johnny manziel  I know, right? In a year with 3 better QB drafted after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, H2o said: He is a faster version of Zeke, but you don't sell the farm for a RB. Shady, who has proven to be one of the better RB's of his generation, was a 2nd Round pick. If you are at the top and have your QB already then by all means take Barkley. Well said, he could take the Giants to Super Bowl contention (assuming OBJ is back). You take impact players at the beginning of the draft and Barkley is one. His versatile skill set will impact the outcome of games. 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Unfortunately they used it to draft Johnny manziel Comeback sZn!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Unfortunately they used it to draft Johnny manziel  Well we can't expect them to do EVERYTHING correctly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I cannot support getting a RB high in the first round...they would have to be high to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Valedictorian of summer school   Guessing an Ohio State fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Some posts bring out the worst side of my sarcasm. This would be one of those posts. In an effort to overcome that tendancy, I'll simply ask: Â 1. What makes you think this way? Are you just counter-culture at heart? Â 2. Knowing QB is the glaring need and considering this franchise has historically drafted RBs in years we didn't need one and still needed a QB, again, what makes a person come to this conclusion? Â I'm earnestly trying to understand your train of thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 When you have a unsettled QB situation you need to address that before going up for a !@#$ing running back. Even if the team landed Kirk Cousins and had their picks freed up to spend on other positions I would rather draft a pass rusher and DT in round 1 and then go after offensive players in rounds 2 and 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Playoffs? said:   Guessing an Ohio State fan? Does it matter? It doesn’t have anything to do with Ohio State. Unless I’m offending the likes of Curtis Enis and Kijana Carter ... or you want to go back 35 years...he’s obviously the best RB to come out of penn State, but the bar wasn’t high. Edited February 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, ProcessTheTrust said: Some posts bring out the worst side of my sarcasm. This would be one of those posts. In an effort to overcome that tendancy, I'll simply ask: Â 1. What makes you think this way? Are you just counter-culture at heart? Â 2. Knowing QB is the glaring need and considering this franchise has historically drafted RBs in years we didn't need one and still needed a QB, again, what makes a person come to this conclusion? Â I'm earnestly trying to understand your train of thought. Â I cant speak for the OP, but to be fair, Barkley has the look and feel of a generational talent. Â So not surprising some people might covet him around here, his tape might be the most impressive I have ever seen since Bo Jackson or Barry Sanders coming out of college. Â Â Adding to that, there is more than one way to get our QB this year. Â For instance, they could sign Cousins in which they dont need to draft a QB. Â Or they go sign someone like AJ or one of the Vikes to battle it out with TT perhaps, or just give them the job all together and get rid of TT...then again look to add a talent like Barkley. Â To be clear, there is a ZERO percent chance Barkley will be a Bill next year. Â Just providing scenarios that might give someone the hope it could happen, even though its still unrealistic. Â Beane wont make the trade up that big to get anything other than a QB, and also, I strongly feel Barkley is going #1 overall to Cleveland anyway where they will take either Allen, Rosen, or Darnold at #4...and IMO thats exactly what they should do. Â Edited February 19, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Im So disappointed in myself for clicking on this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 17 hours ago, Captain Murica said: Wonder what it would take for the browns to move up to number 2 from their 4 spot? Imagine that happens..  A 2nd (which they have 3) and a 4th (which they have 2) and something else. The something else could be DeShone Kizer. After Cleveland eats 1.2 million of signing bonus he would only cost the Giants less than a million per year. Maybe the Giants and Eli can help "fix" Kizer. If the Giants go QB or just don't want Kizer, Cleveland has a lot of young high draft pick talent for the Giants to look at OR throw in another 4th-5th draft pick.  Cleveland has enough capital to do what they want. Dorsey can really change things on Lake Erie.  Cleveland has 20 draft picks still on their team from the last 2 drafts. They got 12 picks this year. They need talent and experienced vets (which is hard for them to acquire in FA), not more draft picks. That's why I don't see them trading down.  I do however see them as a trading partner for experienced vets with some contract remaining. The Bills could trade with them for some picks to use to move up for a QB.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:  A 2nd (which they have 3) and a 4th (which they have 2) and something else. The something else could be DeShone Kizer. After Cleveland eats 1.2 million of signing bonus he would only cost the Giants less than a million per year. Maybe the Giants and Eli can help "fix" Kizer. If the Giants go QB or just don't want Kizer, Cleveland has a lot of young high draft pick talent for the Giants to look at OR throw in another 4th-5th draft pick.  Cleveland has enough capital to do what they want. Dorsey can really change things on Lake Erie.  Cleveland has 20 draft picks still on their team from the last 2 drafts. They got 12 picks this year. They need talent and experienced vets (which is hard for them to acquire in FA), not more draft picks. That's why I don't see them trading down.  I do however see them as a trading partner for experienced vets with some contract remaining. The Bills could trade with them for some picks to use to move up for a QB.   I mean if they really wanted to get their QB and Barkley, I'd do it. It's a cheap price for getting your Franchise QB and a stud talent in Barkley.  I also know several Giants fans personally that like Kizer a lot. They probably would love a trade involving picks(if they get to move to 4th with the trade) and Kizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:  I mean if they really wanted to get their QB and Barkley, I'd do it. It's a cheap price for getting your Franchise QB and a stud talent in Barkley.  I also know several Giants fans personally that like Kizer a lot. They probably would love a trade involving picks(if they get to move to 4th with the trade) and Kizer.  If I was Dorsey I would do it. I would also look for a vet QB with 1 year left on his contract to trade for...................I got someone in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Â If I was Dorsey I would do it. I would also look for a vet QB with 1 year left on his contract to trade for...................I got someone in mind. Â Dorsey might be able to move up even cheaper than your projection but from his point of view it is correct to secure Barkley and his top rated QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloDave55 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 23 hours ago, SAFTB said: All this QB talk is great but the safest pick, and the best pick in this draft is Penn State running back Saquan Barkley. I've watched him throughout college and he will be one of the BEST running backs to play this game when all is said and done. The things he does on the field is jaw dropping and off the field he's a stand up guy.  Trade McCoy to get rid of that contract AND to get younger AND better. Trade up to #2 and get the future Hall of Famer and build around him.  Sign a QB like Bradford, draft a QB in the 2nd round and let him sit a year to learn.  This will get us on the path of winning consistently  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0VALn4r8mg  To bad they can't categorize posts. Stuff like this should have a separate category of "little to know knowledge of football" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Just now, ColoradoBills said:  If I was Dorsey I would do it. I would also look for a vet QB with 1 year left on his contract to trade for...................I got someone in mind.  I think I know someone as well. Their biggest issue was INT's in the redzone and leading the league in INTs. This someone isn't apt to throwing many INTs.  It seems like a match to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloflash Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 On 2/18/2018 at 7:21 PM, papazoid said: overpay Cousins  keep all your draft picks Nah....That idea suck,why not try to separate one of those Eagles QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 No. Â Stop this trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Buffaloflash said: Nah....That idea suck,why not try to separate one of those Eagles QB?  I would do that too...  but that would cost all (most) your draft picks......two firsts and a third......and then you would still need to pay them +$25 mil or more  my plan...pay cousins $30 mil and keep your picks......we have way to many needs besides QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:  I cant speak for the OP, but to be fair, Barkley has the look and feel of a generational talent.  So not surprising some people might covet him around here, his tape might be the most impressive I have ever seen since Bo Jackson or Barry Sanders coming out of college.   That is high praise. Personally I don't have him quite graded as high as I had Zeke. He is a cut above the other 1st round backs we have seen in recent years though... Gurley, Fournette, Cook, Gordon etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloflash Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 hours ago, papazoid said:  I would do that too...  but that would cost all (most) your draft picks......two firsts and a third......and then you would still need to pay them +$25 mil or more  my plan...pay cousins $30 mil and keep your picks......we have way to many needs besides QB Yeah I hear you, maybe it's me,I just don't see Cousins like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:  That is high praise. Personally I don't have him quite graded as high as I had Zeke. He is a cut above the other 1st round backs we have seen in recent years though... Gurley, Fournette, Cook, Gordon etc...  I had Zeke up there too in that regard like you.  I will admit, I actually like Barkely as a prospect even a bit more than I liked Zeke, but like I said, I felt Zeke was a sensational RB prospect coming out too.   Just when I watch the tape on Barkley I am just left with amazement.  I feel like he is a more explosive and shiftier back than Zeke.  He has that ability to stop and cut on a dime like Barry Sanders had, and to do it with not only speed, but also power.   Its college tape though, nothing matters other than what the kid does in the NFL, but you can put me down as a big believer in him having the potential to be really special in the NFL.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:  I had Zeke up there too in that regard like you.  I will admit, I actually like Barkely as a prospect even a bit more than I liked Zeke, but like I said, I felt Zeke was a sensational RB prospect coming out too.   Just when I watch the tape on Barkley I am just left with amazement.  I feel like he is a more explosive and shiftier back than Zeke.  He has that ability to stop and cut on a dime like Barry Sanders had, and to do it with not only speed, but also power.   Its college tape though, nothing matters other than what the kid does in the NFL, but you can put me down as a big believer in him having the potential to be really special in the NFL.   That is fair. I think Barkley can be special too. I was just a bit higher on Zeke.... though ironically I actually thought the Cowboys should have picked Jalen Ramsey (who has the highest grade of anyone in the years I have been doing it) at #4..... but it has worked out for Dallas and Jacksonville so no sure either would do it any differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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