JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, wppete said: I like this. Draft Billy price in the second if possible and let him and Groy fight it out. Would love it, but don't see him falling that far. Would most likely take #21 or #22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I feel so bad for Wood. Hope everything works out for him going forward. I would have to say Groy is the next man up. It should be his job to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 53 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: News came out less than an hour ago. Eric Wood is the gold standard as far as what a Buffalo Bill should be. I just think it comes off as callous and ungrateful to start lining up potential replacements. Now is the time for thoughts and prayers, just seems way too early for this. I don't care who replaces Wood, I just hope he recovers and lives a happy and healthy life. Is it appropriate for McD, Beane, Daboll et al to be lining up potential replacement candidates at this moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: This is a very real and natural place to go after hearing the news but one of the things that's really starting to turn me off about football. I don't blame you at all for starting the thread and it's a discussion to have but brutal to hear about a guy being forced into retirement and having this be one of the first items we are forced to turn to as a fanbase or organization. In football terms, Next Man Up! Thanks for the memories, Eric! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Groy is the leader in the clubhouse, but with 3 holes on the OL now, those who wanted to draft an RB will likely be disappointed. This could also impact Buffalo's ability to move up, unless there are good FA center options. Replacing Wood is a serious monkey in the wrench for the Bills off-season. Good point, with Eric out and Kyle possibly retiring, we seem to have too many holes to fill to give up any picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 40 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Would love it, but don't see him falling that far. Would most likely take #21 or #22. Really? I don’t think he was going to go so high. We have to figure something out. I don’t know if there is another college player at Center that can come in and start right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, FearLess Price said: There gonna go with Groy and sign a back up quality center. He played well when Wood got hurt in 2016 That would only make this whole debacle look MORE racist than it already looks. Why would you want MORE racism? NFL's best fans indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam727 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, thurst44 said: Not according to Sportrac. The first link is about how retirement affects the salary cap, which would make it essentially the same as a cut. https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2016/3/5/11158958/nfl-101-how-cuts-retirements-and-trades-affect-the-salary-cap http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/eric-wood-5637/ Not sure where you guys are getting the $10m number (actually curious -- i'm no expert and recognize i could very well be wrong), but according to what I've read, it's 5.5m. It would have been an 8.5m hit if he were still playing. Wish it were an 8.5 mil hit and he were still able to play next year, but these appear to be the facts. $4.8mil 2018 base salary = 100% guaranteed for injury + $4,333,333 signing bonus + $1,258,334 restructure bonus = $10,391,668 dead money. Sad day for Eric, sad day for the Bills fans, sad day for the team going forward now that they lost their starting center who will count $10.4mil against the cap anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, wppete said: Really? I don’t think he was going to go so high. We have to figure something out. I don’t know if there is another college player at Center that can come in and start right now. With Groy, I'm not sure we need one. I suggested Corbett from Nevada in the mid-rounds - he can and has played I think all OL positions and started 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: With Groy, I'm not sure we need one. I suggested Corbett from Nevada in the mid-rounds - he can and has played I think all OL positions and started 4 years. As another posted suggested. James Daniel, C, University of Iowa should be on our immediate radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 52 minutes ago, wppete said: Really? I don’t think he was going to go so high. We have to figure something out. I don’t know if there is another college player at Center that can come in and start right now. Here are the Center rankings from Walterfootball. http://walterfootball.com/draft2018C.php Here is CBS Sports, although they have some Center prospects (such as Price) listed as guards. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/centers/ I'd expect Bozeman and the other SEC Center's to be a known quantity (either good or bad) with the new OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: Thanks dude. I get it. I said it's a natural thought to think about replacements and view these guys just as X's and O's on our TVs. Just something that's starting to turn me off as I am now getting older than the majority of guys still playing. I didn't mean to attack anyone or incite anything. Oh you did not attack anyone, and I am aging right along with you, my friend. What an age we live in. What's up? What's now? What's next? Wood is just plain a Buffalo Guy...I don't like losing guys like him, that's for darn sure. Do you remember that time he pissed and moaned about playing in Buffalo? ...yeah, I don't either...ever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 hours ago, NewDayBills said: Probably a day or two after the fact, but a few hours after the news broke? It's so scummy it makes me sick. So much for being the NFL'S "best fans". Jesus Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2018 Dead Cap These cap figures derive from the trade or release of players from the active roster or practice squad. All count toward the team total. Player (10) Pos. Base Salary Signing Bonus Roster Bonus Option Bonus Workout Bonus Restruc. Bonus Misc. Dead Cap Cap Hit Cap % DareusMarcell Dareus DT - $10,000,000 - $4,200,000 - - - - $14,200,000 9.17 WoodEric Wood C $4,800,000 $4,333,334 - - - $1,258,334 - - $10,391,668 6.71 WilliamsAaron Williams SS - $1,300,000 - $1,125,000 - - - - $2,425,000 1.57 RaglandReggie Ragland ILB - $1,224,135 - - - - - - $1,224,135 0.79 DarbyRonald Darby CB - $395,853 - - - - - - $395,853 0.26 JonesCardale Jones QB - $191,696 - - - - - - $191,696 0.12 WilliamsJonathan Williams RB - $120,458 - - - - - - $120,458 0.08 ListenbeeKolby Listenbee WR - $66,466 - - - - - - $66,466 0.04 SeymourKevon Seymour CB - $50,178 - - - - - - $50,178 0.03 CroomJason Croom TE - $7,334 - - - - - - $7,334 0.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 at least they have Groy so it is not a code red situation. Horrible , just horrible news about Eric Wood When Wood retires due to injury the Bills still get the cap hit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Groy, at least for now. We have to many holes to not take advantage of a player that has shown he can hold the fort. We need a right side of the line and Richie isnt a spring chicken. as of last year Dawkins couldnt find his feet to play RT and who knows whats going to happen with Cordy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Adam727 said: $4.8mil 2018 base salary = 100% guaranteed for injury + $4,333,333 signing bonus + $1,258,334 restructure bonus = $10,391,668 dead money. Sad day for Eric, sad day for the Bills fans, sad day for the team going forward now that they lost their starting center who will count $10.4mil against the cap anyway. can they do a post june deal and cut the number in half for this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Of all the players on this past seasons starting offense I would think Eric Wood would be the most replaceable. Not because he hasn't been any good but because the Bills auditioned his understudy just the year before with very little loss of productivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuklz2594 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 will the coaching staff ask woods what he honestly thinks about who should replace him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Jauronimo said: That would only make this whole debacle look MORE racist than it already looks. Why would you want MORE racism? NFL's best fans indeed. Wait....what??? Im talking about starting Groy and signing a cheap vet back up C in FA. What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Groy will be penciled in as the starter but they will draft a center to groom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 10 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Groy is the leader in the clubhouse, but with 3 holes on the OL now, those who wanted to draft an RB will likely be disappointed. This could also impact Buffalo's ability to move up, unless there are good FA center options. Replacing Wood is a serious monkey in the wrench for the Bills off-season. History has shown for the Bills and other NFL teams that, unless you want to invest in a Fournette or Gurley, productive running backs can be found in the later rounds and even undrafted free agents (Fred Jackson). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Groy's your guy. Watched him in the preseason and he's a Mauler. We'll be fine with him. Gonna miss #70 though. From the first time he called out Mayhem Maybin in practice I knew he was a Buffalo guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) On January 26, 2018 at 2:39 PM, Adam727 said: $4.8mil 2018 base salary = 100% guaranteed for injury + $4,333,333 signing bonus + $1,258,334 restructure bonus = $10,391,668 dead money. Sad day for Eric, sad day for the Bills fans, sad day for the team going forward now that they lost their starting center who will count $10.4mil against the cap anyway. It's wrong. It's wrong. It's wrong. Dang it, it's just not right! i know why the rule is in there, but come on. Really? There should be exceptions for career ending injuries as opposed to someone just retiring after taking a sweet heart deal to sign with a team?! Edited January 29, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 The funniest part of this thread is the chart showing that the Bills are apparently carrying $66,000 for Kolby Listenbee! ? You have to love the people who make up these rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 It has to be Groy and I hope he is ready for the part. If he can perform at a high level Woods retirement won t hurt the team so much as Groy is already under contract and is paid too much to sit the bench. As much as I and most everyone else appreciates Wood's tenure as a Bill, the extension and 10 million cap hit for a guy over 30 whose performance was already declining was ill advised. The Bills dead cap hit this year is ridiculous and the result of many ill advised contracts and extensions. Unfortunately this cap situation is gonna severely limit their options for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 On January 26, 2018 at 12:47 PM, baskingridgebillsfan said: at least they have Groy so it is not a code red situation. Horrible , just horrible news about Eric Wood When Wood retires due to injury the Bills still get the cap hit ? That's the risk teams take when they manipulate the salary cap by trying to push money into the future and get players to restructure by giving them more guaranteed money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 On 1/26/2018 at 11:13 AM, John from Hemet said: Def want to echo best wishes to Wood.....who I am at least glad like Kyle that he did get to make the playoffs before he was done. I really think the replacement is already on the roster in Groy who frankly has been solid when he has played at both guard and center......its not a situation where a high round pick needs to be spent here. Exactly, Groy has played roughly as good as Wood has been when given the chance to play. Groy fills in and you bring in a low-cost vet or a late round pick to be the backup center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 17 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: It's wrong. It's wrong. It's wrong. Dang it, it's just not right! i know why the rule is in there, but come on. Really? There shouldn't be exceptions for career ending injuries as opposed to someone just retiring after taking a sweet heart deal to sign with a team?! Yeah it would be nice if there was some type of exception for situations like this where it's a total surprise career ending injury (he didn't really even start his new deal yet...) and it's clear that the team wasn't trying to manipulate the cap. I can see the abuse potential but you'd think there has to be ways to make it work. Have the player see an independent doctor appointed by the NFL to confirm the injury is career ending, or something along those lines. And maybe have some type of age limit apply - like the NHL where contracts rules are different when signing guys 35+ and there are cap recapture penalties for retirement. A rule for career ending injury retirement would maybe even allow NFL teams to guarantee all contracts for career ending injury (at the least those caused by playing football), which should really be the case anyway (I believe it has to be written into the contract currently?). Maybe im not seeing something though? I feel like there has to be a good reason why a rule like this is not already in place...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoTier Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 On 1/26/2018 at 11:32 AM, BrotherChazz said: Well I was hoping we'd draft several lineman already....so it's just one more to add to the list. Groy is adequate, but not great. Richie is getting older. The entire right side already needed replacing. We're going to have some not so sexy picks come draft day. IMO, this makes the decision to move up for a QB just that much harder. Hard to get rid of good draft picks with so many holes. I totally agree. They need to take at least one OLer on Day 1 or 2 and at least one or more on Day 3. They need to bring in a bunch of UDFAs, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1-31: Bills' Center Ryan Groy on the John Murphy Show (10:12) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 BILLS HAVE TASK OF FILLING VOID LEFT BY WOOD There's no mistaking the hole the sudden end of Eric Wood's career leaves in Buffalo's lineup and locker room. GM Brandon Beane and head coach Sean McDermott are now tasked with filling that void this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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