Zolak appology

[Numark3]

It’s childish and dumb, nothing really derogatory though for the most part, but I could see how it can be seen that way!

[JaCrispy]

6 hours ago, SDS said:

Any time someone refers to our fan base as “Bills Mafia” it is an insult. Why can’t we drop that childish derogatory name already? I’m pretty damn close to putting it on the ban filter. 

Even though you disagree with it, please don’t put it in the ban filter...many players and coaches and analysts use it as a term of endearment...and I actually appreciate when I hear it because what other teams fan base has their own name that is so recognized as ours?  And plus, it just sounds cool to me...

1 hour ago, KD in CA said:

 

 

Yup, it's pretty much acknowledged shorthand for "drunk idiots" to everyone I've met outside of Buffalo.

That’s only because those types get air time online, not because they are Bills Mafia...there is a difference.

Edited January 24, 2018 by JaCrispy

[JaCrispy]

6 hours ago, Captain Murica said:

Did he really? That's pretty disgusting. Let me guess? He said Tre deserved it since he was "holding" gronk all game? 

 

 

In this thread the OP was mainly referring to his color commentator that refers to us as a trashy fan base, comparing the Bills fan base to the Eagles. I think the title Mafia is original and sounds cool if only meant the fan base traveled as one and has a good showing at road games, but the way it's being perceived to outsiders is that all the Bills fans are jumping through tables and lighting themselves on fire while chugging beer 24/7.  

 

I might be wrong, but I think that is why SDS has an issue with it. 

While it’s ok for him to have an issue with it, seems like a bit of s power trip to want to ban the phrase from the message boards... we’re all adults here- and it’s not exactly George Carlin’s 7 dirty words...just sayin...we don’t need another BBMB

Edited January 24, 2018 by JaCrispy

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

2 hours ago, dulles said:

Before you call someone lame, you might want to consider the platform from which they speak. SDS just happens to be the platform for the forum on which you are commenting.  Now might be a good time to delete your account and start over.

SDS is awesome, it's like Siri, you can ask it anything and it has the answer.

[Mikie2times]

Mafia SHOULD have a negative connotation. Murder, drugs, bullying, violence, etc. It was also a term first used for a small group of Bills fans doing the best MTV Jack$$ impression they could. It's understandable why some people might have issue being mixed in with either of these groups. That said since the Dalton TD it's sort of taken on a life of it's own. Mafia also gives people the feeling of family/deep bonds. National media ran with it and essentially separated the term from the Jack$$ days. I don't have an issue with it. Beats lovable losers, anything Nation, or all the other weak apathetic names we see for other fan bases. Bills fans weren't even on the map post Jim Kelly. Now we have a unique nickname that is used nationally in a positive context. 

Edited January 24, 2018 by KzooMike

[SectionC3]

4 hours ago, Cmdjr85 said:

Completly diffrent. Do bills fans throw beer cans at parents and kids? 

 

I think you missed the point.  Throwing something at someone who has not assumed the risk of participating in a gladiator sport is much worse than blatantly violating the rules of that sport to intentionally inflict injury upon another participant. One is worse than the other, but both are bad.  So if Zolak is going to condemn an ambush outside the stadium (eagles fans hurling beer cans at others), then he should take the same approach with respect to an ambush within the stadium (Gronk on white).

 

[SectionC3]

4 hours ago, Cmdjr85 said:

Completly diffrent. Do bills fans throw beer cans at parents and kids? 

 

To answer your question directly, now ...I would be surprised if it happened.  Back in the day (late 80s early 90s), it was much rougher at the stadium and the hurling of beer was maybe not common but not altogether irregular.  So during those times ... maybe yes. 

 

That brings up another good point.  Maybe bills fans are more serious about their drinking now (and don’t want to waste the booze).  Maybe the security in and around the stadium is better.  Maybe times are different. But either way, despite the immaturity of some parts of the “mafia,” the game day crowd is MUCH tamer than it used to be.  Jumping through tables and hurting ones self, while kind of dumb, really is harmless compared to how things used to be back in the day. 

[Herc11]

4 hours ago, dulles said:

Before you call someone lame, you might want to consider the platform from which they speak. SDS just happens to be the platform for the forum on which you are commenting.  Now might be a good time to delete your account and start over.

 

First off, check your reading comprehension. Did I say "you are lame" or did I say "Thats pretty lame"? I know, it's pretty difficult to see that I was actually referring to his opinion, that it is derogatory, is lame. I stand by that 100% regardless of who says it. I know that SDS runs this place, but does that mean I have to kiss his butt and agree with everything he says? Stop being a "yes" man and grow a pair.

[Dablitzkrieg]

9 hours ago, SDS said:

 

So, “mafia” means something positive in your world?

 

 Actually, it was rarely used here for most of its existence. There was a slight uptick when BBMB shut down. And now everyone is using it after the Andy Dalton charity fundraiser. 

 

BillsMafia are the asshats lighting themselves on ?. Those who get off on the name are getting off on the badass connotations as being associated with the their own little sports mob. 

You are disconnected from the fanbase.  I feel sorry for you ?

[Ol Dirty B]

I'm not Italian... so I've always seen the mafia for what it was...

 

What if we called ourselves the Buffalo Bloods on color rush night, and Buffalo Crips when we wear Blue... 

 

It's the same thing. And not only that, Bills Mafia has always been stupid. They jump through tables, they chase people down and harrass them on social media. I'm glad they donated to Dalton's charity, but for the most part, it's dumb. I also don't think it has anything to do with BBMB... The Bills Mafia things has been on twitter, deadspin, barstool, and been getting referenced on ESPN and Jim Rome for years now. 

 

As for the topic... Who the hell is Zolak? 

Edited January 24, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Bad Things]

11 hours ago, SDS said:

Any time someone refers to our fan base as “Bills Mafia” it is an insult. Why can’t we drop that childish derogatory name already? I’m pretty damn close to putting it on the ban filter. 

 

Totally with you Scott.

[JaCrispy]

I think if anyone should be offended it’s the actual mafia for hurting their reputation  

[plenzmd1]

9 hours ago, KzooMike said:

. It was also a term first used for a small group of Bills fans doing the best MTV Jack$$ impression they could.

 

#BillsMafia was in no way started in that way..here is how it started. 

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/alyssa-jung/meet-the-billsmafia_b_1917921.html

 

And Del Reid, one of the co-creators of the #BillsMafia has gone on and created 26Shirts, which is an awesome fundraising vehicle for people in need. Everyone should follow 26shirts and buy when they can.

 

And I know this belongs in pet peeve, but why in Gods holy name would someone try to prove they are cool and write"who is Scott Zolak" or any time a name comes up...they are on a message board, i believe they may know how to use Google!! But maybe I just give people too much credit.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

11 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

While it’s ok for him to have an issue with it, seems like a bit of s power trip to want to ban the phrase from the message boards... we’re all adults here- and it’s not exactly George Carlin’s 7 dirty words...just sayin...we don’t need another BBMB

 

Um.....it's your house...you put up the money, you bought it, you own it, you maintain it, you set the rules and arrange for their enforcement, and it's a "power trip" if you add a new rule? 

 

You must have a sad home life, bashed about by your kid's friends and whatever your spouse wants. 

 

Alternatively, hypocritical.

[Richard Noggin]

18 hours ago, Cmdjr85 said:

You dont care, but ure hoping the eagles win. Cause its angering you inside. Success breads hate.

Cheating and arrogance breed hate, in fact.

 

Also, lots of unrest surrounding a silly fanbase nickname, coined in jest.

Edited January 24, 2018 by Richard Noggin

[LabattBlue]

18 hours ago, SDS said:

Any time someone refers to our fan base as “Bills Mafia” it is an insult. Why can’t we drop that childish derogatory name already? I’m pretty damn close to putting it on the ban filter. 

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE...make it happen.

 

Right from the beginning, I've never cared for the "bills mafia" moniker. 

18 hours ago, ddaryl said:

I never understood the mafia thing myself. There is no definition of mafia that paints anything in a positive light

 

Ma·fi·a

ˈmäfēə/  

noun

noun: Mafia; noun: the Mafia

1. an organized international body of criminals, operating originally in Sicily and now especially in Italy and the US and having a complex and ruthless behavioral code.

   • any organized group using extortion and other criminal methods.

     noun: mafia; plural noun: mafias
   • a closed group of people in a particular field, having a controlling influence.

This 100%.

Edited January 24, 2018 by LabattBlue

[PaattMaann]

18 hours ago, SDS said:

 

So, “mafia” means something positive in your world?

 

 Actually, it was rarely used here for most of its existence. There was a slight uptick when BBMB shut down. And now everyone is using it after the Andy Dalton charity fundraiser. 

 

BillsMafia are the asshats lighting themselves on ?. Those who get off on the name are getting off on the badass connotations as being associated with the their own little sports mob. 

 

Actually, Bills Mafia was started for extremely charitable and noble purposes and had nothing to do with the people lighting themselves on fire...look up Del Reid and you will see why we are fortunate enough to have the national BillsMafia moniker 

 

Now, I understand you do not want to be associated with the table jumpers, neither do I. However, taking a stand against the BillsMafia moniker, IMO, is not the way to go about it. Perhaps attempting to give those asshats a different label ("Billscreants", "BillsInfants", something like that) and making that stick would be more effective.

 

We should be proud of national recognition for the positives, and the charitable cause that started Bills Mafia (long before the Andy Dalton thing)

 

*Edit: I did not see Plenzmd post above, but click on his link and you can see why we are the Bills Mafia. 

Edited January 24, 2018 by PaattMaann

[JaCrispy]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

Um.....it's your house...you put up the money, you bought it, you own it, you maintain it, you set the rules and arrange for their enforcement, and it's a "power trip" if you add a new rule? 

 

You must have a sad home life, bashed about by your kid's friends and whatever your spouse wants. 

 

Alternatively, hypocritical.

No need for ad hominem attacks just because I disagree with his premise for censorship.  Many people just don’t think it’s that big of a deal.  I probably shouldn’t have used the term “power trip” but the whole thing just seemed kind of petty to me, and I am used to BBMB mods doing stuff like that.

7 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Actually, Bills Mafia was started for extremely charitable and noble purposes and had nothing to do with the people lighting themselves on fire...look up Del Reid and you will see why we are fortunate enough to have the national BillsMafia moniker 

 

Now, I understand you do not want to be associated with the table jumpers, neither do I. However, taking a stand against the BillsMafia moniker, IMO, is not the way to go about it. Perhaps attempting to give those asshats a different label ("Billscreants", "BillsInfants", something like that) and making that stick would be more effective.

 

We should be proud of national recognition for the positives, and the charitable cause that started Bills Mafia (long before the Andy Dalton thing)

 

*Edit: I did not see Plenzmd post above, but click on his link and you can see why we are the Bills Mafia. 

Could not have said it better myself 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

No need for ad hominem attacks just because I disagree with his premise for censorship.  Many people just don’t think it’s that big of a deal.  I probably shouldn’t have used the term “power trip” but the whole thing just seemed kind of petty to me, and I am used to BBMB mods doing stuff like that.

Could not have said it better myself 

 

Fairly said!  I did consider the "power trip" an ad hominem.  I'll go halfway and ack my response to you was uncalled for - I was influenced by a truly unfortunate (and ad hominem) post by someone else, but no reason to poke at you.

 

BillsMafia doesn't bother me, but I do have friends whose family were involved with actual mafia one or another way and shudder at the term, so I can see it.

 

Overall I appreciate what Scott does and my feeling is - his house, his rules - anyone doesn't like his rules, feel free to go build your own house (and fund it).

 

Cheers!

 

 

Edited January 24, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

[nedboy7]

I’m offended!!!  Now sooth me!!!  Mom!!!!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 hours ago, Herc11 said:

 

First off, check your reading comprehension. Did I say "you are lame" or did I say "Thats pretty lame"? I know, it's pretty difficult to see that I was actually referring to his opinion, that it is derogatory, is lame. I stand by that 100% regardless of who says it. I know that SDS runs this place, but does that mean I have to kiss his butt and agree with everything he says? Stop being a "yes" man and grow a pair.

 

You have a douchy view of what "growing a pair" means.  You're in someone's house.  They get to set the rules for what goes on in their house.  If they tell you "don't piss in my potted plants" and you piss in the plants, that doesn't mean you "have a pair" that mean's you're a jerk. 

 

If you think their rules are lame, politely excuse yourself, leave, build your own house and run it by whatever rules you like.  Having respect for the owner's rights isn't "kissing their butt", it's behaving decently.

 

You can disagree all you like with respect and politeness, there's plenty of that in this thread.  All good.

[aceman_16]

On 1/23/2018 at 2:28 PM, Cmdjr85 said:

You dont care, but ure hoping the eagles win. Cause its angering you inside. Success breads hate.

I hope the Eagles win.... yes along with 99% of the world.

[JTown]

On 1/23/2018 at 2:17 PM, SDS said:

Any time someone refers to our fan base as “Bills Mafia” it is an insult. Why can’t we drop that childish derogatory name already? I’m pretty damn close to putting it on the ban filter. 

 

Yeah.  We certainly can't entertain freedom of speech.   Not when you have that authority and their opinion differs from  yours.  

I can't stand the N word.  How can I listen to rap music or communicate with my African-American friends?  Particularly the ones who have recently been released from prison and that is the only word they know, other than the phrase: "you know what saying"?

Maybe I should ban them from attending my volunteered classes to help them get acclimated back into society. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

41 minutes ago, JTown said:

 

Yeah.  We certainly can't entertain freedom of speech.   Not when you have that authority and their opinion differs from  yours.  

I can't stand the N word.  How can I listen to rap music or communicate with my African-American friends?  Particularly the ones who have recently been released from prison and that is the only word they know, other than the phrase: "you know what saying"?

Maybe I should ban them from attending my volunteered classes to help them get acclimated back into society. 

 

Why is it so tough for people "get" the whole "freedom of speech" concept?  Don't they teach Civics in school these days?

 

Freedom of speech and of the press means the government can't go after you for what you say in a public place, or your own property.

It has nothing to do with TOS on a private bulletin board or program, and nothing to do with what you can say at work (where your employer may set their own restrictions).

 

 

[SinceThe70s]

In terms of the Eagles fans behavior, I just came across this article  about the rough time Keenums family endured in Philly. The article doesn't offer up much in the way of details but I thought the following was humorous:

 

"In response to the rude welcome they received in Philadelphia, several Vikings fans were reportedly planning to dress up as Uber drivers for the Super Bowl so they can pick up Eagles fans and leave them in the wrong place."

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/vikings-case-keenum-family-rough-time-philly-article-1.3776951

[boyst]

in this thread:

 

hypocrisy.  we can use a derogatory term about a culture that we are not a part of because it it is not in a purely negative light in our eyes (example nigga vs. the other spelling)

 

virtue signalling.  i am offended by the inclusion of my heritage for a bunch of drunk idiots who do stupid ****.

 

idiots - see poster posting current message.

1 hour ago, JTown said:

 

Yeah.  We certainly can't entertain freedom of speech.   Not when you have that authority and their opinion differs from  yours.  

I can't stand the N word.  How can I listen to rap music or communicate with my African-American friends?  Particularly the ones who have recently been released from prison and that is the only word they know, other than the phrase: "you know what saying"?

Maybe I should ban them from attending my volunteered classes to help them get acclimated back into society. 

oh wow, how'd i miss this before my post above.

 

actually you can say the "n-word" no one is stopping you.  go outside, say it as loud as you'd like.  say it here.  go to the mall tomorrow and use it all day.

 

hell, you can run in to a crowded theatre and yell fire and it's not illegal.  it's free speech.

 

people really need to learn what free speech actually is.

 

working with inmates is not a noble cause, though, know what i am saying?

Edited January 25, 2018 by Boyst62

[Herc11]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You have a douchy view of what "growing a pair" means.  You're in someone's house.  They get to set the rules for what goes on in their house.  If they tell you "don't piss in my potted plants" and you piss in the plants, that doesn't mean you "have a pair" that mean's you're a jerk. 

 

If you think their rules are lame, politely excuse yourself, leave, build your own house and run it by whatever rules you like.  Having respect for the owner's rights isn't "kissing their butt", it's behaving decently.

 

You can disagree all you like with respect and politeness, there's plenty of that in this thread.  All good.

My bad, I didn't know this was North Korea and SDS was Kim Jong-un. I was under the impression this was a discussion forum where people can expresd differences in opinion. Off to the prison camp for me because I voiced a disagreance with your leader!

[Buffalo_Gal]

A quick scroll through the Buffalo Bills twitter timeline shows them RTing tweets with #BillsMafia in the original tweet (mostly by Bills players). I couldn't find it on their media (tweets started by the Buffalo Bills), although I did find out I missed out on a Free Playoff Donut at Tim Horton's on January 5th. 

On IG (Instagram) there are hundreds of thousands of images tagged #BillsMafia. None appear to have someone setting themselves on fire (although I gotta say I didn't look too hard).

It is probably a bit more mainstream than many here would like it to be.  In any event, this is SDS' house, and SDS sets the rules.
 

[gobills1212]

Not what I wanted to read while I sit here waiting to see if eating a red velvet donut does what I think it will do.... at least once I have the results there will be something of substance to this thread...

[dollars 2 donuts]

On January 23, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Does success dredge it in flour and dip it in beaten egg first, or does success prefer to use cornstarch and buttermilk?

 

On January 23, 2018 at 5:46 PM, thunderingsquid said:

 

On January 23, 2018 at 6:33 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Only if the kids are holding. 

 

 

Yep, these are some winners.  Thank you, gentlemen.

 

i honestly had to look up who Zolak was and I'm an older guy.  I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I truly didn't know remember him. Only after reading about him did I remember.

 

Scott, umm...thanks, I guess?

[Freddie's Dead]

Is this the same Zolak who cheered as Gronk drove his Barry Bonds arm brace into the back of Tre's head 5 seconds after the whistle?  !@#$ him, his apology, the horse he rode in on, and the house he lives in.

[Mark Vader]

On 1/23/2018 at 11:32 AM, HappyDays said:

 

I read your posts in Mark Wahlberg's voice, it makes them entertaining at least

Would that be in the vein of Dirk Diggler?

 

"I am a star."

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 1/23/2018 at 2:17 PM, SDS said:

Any time someone refers to our fan base as “Bills Mafia” it is an insult. Why can’t we drop that childish derogatory name already? I’m pretty damn close to putting it on the ban filter. 

 

The Players love it. Unfortunate that it garners a negative stigma... 

 

if Texas a&m weren’t such lawyerly pricks none of this would’ve been necessary 

[Mark Vader]

On 1/23/2018 at 11:28 AM, Cmdjr85 said:

You dont care, but ure hoping the eagles win. Cause its angering you inside. Success breads hate.

What does bread have to do with anything?

[Captain Murica]

9 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Is this the same Zolak who cheered as Gronk drove his Barry Bonds arm brace into the back of Tre's head 5 seconds after the whistle?  !@#$ him, his apology, the horse he rode in on, and the house he lives in.

Reading this for the second time within this thread makes me hope Zolak has some gambling debts he failed to pay off with the wrong people. I mean we are using the term Mafia, only seems fitting  

Just now, Mark Vader said:

What does bread have to do with anything?

Corn bread is great. 

[Cripple Creek]

On 1/23/2018 at 2:24 PM, Herc11 said:

 

 

Derogatory? Seriously??? Thats pretty lame.

Waiting for Herc12 to set up an account.

[stony]

On January 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Pete said:

I know a girl who had a waitress job at a bar in Boston that the Patriots frequented.  She would get livid at the mention of Drew Bledsoe.  She told me he was rude, ultra demanding, cheap, and tried to get her fired.  She said Zolak was banging her roommate, so she got to know him a little bit.  Zolak said Bledsoe pulled that **** everywhere

 

That sucks to hear.

 

I went to Bledsoe's winery and he was there. I mentioned I was from Buffalo and he poured my wife and I a glass of wine and talked to us for 15 min.  Seemed like a really interesting guy.    

[JTown]

22 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

in this thread:

 

hypocrisy.  we can use a derogatory term about a culture that we are not a part of because it it is not in a purely negative light in our eyes (example nigga vs. the other spelling)

 

virtue signalling.  i am offended by the inclusion of my heritage for a bunch of drunk idiots who do stupid ****.

 

idiots - see poster posting current message.

oh wow, how'd i miss this before my post above.

 

actually you can say the "n-word" no one is stopping you.  go outside, say it as loud as you'd like.  say it here.  go to the mall tomorrow and use it all day.

 

hell, you can run in to a crowded theatre and yell fire and it's not illegal.  it's free speech.

 

people really need to learn what free speech actually is.

 

working with inmates is not a noble cause, though, know what i am saying?

When did I proclaim that the volunteer work that I do was noble?  

I did not..  Was that your inference? 

 

When did I say that I work with intimates?   I never said that.  An inmate is a person incarcerated.   A person released from prison is not an inmate, he/she is a person.

 

You are horribly wrong I you think that care about  what you think is noble.

You obviously can't read or comprehend very well so I any debate with you is pointless. 

 

Someone of your intelligence shouldn't go around calling others idiot's. 

But I believe most people on here take the source into consideration when reading your comments. 

[1ManRaid]

22 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

 

hell, you can run in to a crowded theatre and yell fire and it's not illegal.  it's free speech.

 

people really need to learn what free speech actually is.

Ironic that you don't seem to have a full grasp on free speech yourself.  I just asked an actual literal criminal prosecutor if that literal act was chargeable, and they said of course it is criminal mischief.

[boyst]

17 minutes ago, JTown said:

When did I proclaim that the volunteer work that I do was noble?  

I did not..  Was that your inference? 

 

When did I say that I work with intimates?   I never said that.  An inmate is a person incarcerated.   A person released from prison is not an inmate, he/she is a person.

 

You are horribly wrong I you think that care about  what you think is noble.

You obviously can't read or comprehend very well so I any debate with you is pointless. 

 

Someone of your intelligence shouldn't go around calling others idiot's. 

But I believe most people on here take the source into consideration when reading your comments. 

I called myself an idiot

9 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

Ironic that you don't seem to have a full grasp on free speech yourself.  I just asked an actual literal criminal prosecutor if that literal act was chargeable, and they said of course it is criminal mischief.

Well then it sounds like your criminal prosecutor needs and education in freedom of speech.  Because quite literally... The literal Act of your criminal prosecutor friend... He needs a little help understanding the law. 

 

It is perfectly legal to scream fire in a crowded theater. I will defend that until my death. Perhaps your friend needs an education in law, I can give you my number.

Edited January 25, 2018 by Boyst62