Buffalo716 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, CuddyDark said: But the coach didn't want him from day one. And stats in McDermott's defense for a DT is worthless. What are Starrs Stats for McDermott? Actaully kawann short has put up impressive numbers under McDermott his last two years with him he registered 11 sacks and 6 sacks. McDermotts D is very DT friendly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 He could be an All Pro, but he's not. The Bills signed him to a huge contract, so they definitely treated him like a somebody. Maybe Marcel should shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, SaviorPeterman said: I posted a similar thread last week and was roasted for it, but I do believe Dareus is speaking the truth and the fact say that McD/Beane had tunnel vision when it came to Dareus's contract and could care less about anything else. Regardless whats done is done and Dareus will certainly have the last laugh if he wins a superbowl with St. Doug and the Jags. And if they upset the Pats it's going to happen. typically you're roasted for the over the top nonsense you post, but whatever gets you through your day. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, CuddyDark said: He's telling the truth. No...he isnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, CuddyDark said: Environment is everything to a kid like Marcell. Bills didn't help him. He's lost a lot in life and he needs someone to believe in him. Bills didn't. We'll see but my guess is Marcell will be the best DT in football going forward. I really don't even look at this year because I think he's still in his NT shape. He's no kid. He's a grown man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, teef said: typically you're roasted for the over the top nonsense you post, but whatever gets you through your day. No nonsense about this, McD/Beane wanted Dareus gone and tried to do so from day one. They were obviously looking for more than a 6th round pick at the time or he would have never played for this team in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: No nonsense about this, McD/Beane wanted Dareus gone and tried to do so from day one. They were obviously looking for more than a 6th round pick at the time or he would have never played for this team in 2017. it didn't have to do only with his contract. it was his attitude combined with his actions combined with his production combined with his contract. to say it was just about his contract just isn't correct. Edited January 15, 2018 by teef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: No nonsense about this, McD/Beane wanted Dareus gone and tried to do so from day one. They were obviously looking for more than a 6th round pick at the time or he would have never played for this team in 2017. The nonsense is thinking that Dareus is "speaking the truth" and McD/Beane were wrong in thinking that they needed to unload Dareus. And it's a 5th round pick, for the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, teef said: i didn't have to do only with his contract. it was his attitude combine with his actions combined with his production combined with his contract. to say it was just about his contract just isn't correct. Absolutely. The combination of negatives all added up and his contract was probably the least of it. If none of the other negatives are present and there was no slip in his play, the contract is a total non factor as the expectation was that he would continue to play at the level that earned him that deal in the first place. I heard that he didn't adhere to his prescribed off-season conditioning plan and didn't meet his expected reporting weight. He never gave himself a chance with a new staff that was establishing a new culture and demanding accountability from everyone else and they wouldn't make an exception for him as had been done in the past. This idea of being disrespected is a two way street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Actaully kawann short has put up impressive numbers under McDermott his last two years with him he registered 11 sacks and 6 sacks. McDermotts D is very DT friendly Short plays the position they have Kyle Williams playing. They're different positions. 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: You know nothing about him personally, other than what you read as we all have. Spare us the analysis (which by the way people here were saying 6-7 years ago). At some point he's not the infantile man boy you're still claiming he is. As for "giving him a shot", the Bills went above and beyond to coddle this kid from day one. They looked away each time he screwed them. The endlessly chimed in their support--even as he was boldly lying to them about his need for and imminent plan for entering rehab. Kim Pegula coddled him on the team plane after yet another screw up. Then the owners and GM decided to make him a wildly rich man, DESPITE his history on the team, with NO financial repercussion placed in the contract for further behavioral problems How on earth can you claim they were not supportive of him? There's zero credibility in that argument. I believe he was talking about McDermott and the new staff. As Was I. Edited January 15, 2018 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 56 minutes ago, teef said: exactly. i'm a huge dareus fan, but he wasn't exactly treated like garbage. 30? they allowed him to be late to 30 meetings? According to Sal. It’s one of the few times I’ve heard him get a little heated on the radio...he was tired of the excuses for Marcell. It was after a call in which a fan was defending Marcell after missing the bus before the Ravens game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Short plays the position they have Kyle Williams playing. They're different positions. McDermott switches his 1 tech and 3tech depending on over / under combination Kyle played the 1 and 3 tech This year and so does short and Star Edited January 15, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He was saying the same things when he was still here. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/08/22/marcell-dareus-contract-buffalo-bills/32202447/ That was a contract argument. It's not worth even discussing. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I dislike this player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 "I'm a (bleeping) All-Pro," Dareus said. "And y'all aren’t even going to let me play? You aren't even going to give me snaps?" Marcel still doesn't get it, which is why he isn't here. He was the #2 culprit of not buying in when Rex was here (behind Mario). And it sounds like he still wasn't buying in for McDermott. A lot of talented guys don't do well in the NFL because you can't rest on your talent, you have to earn everything. Which means work hard, be team oriented, don't hurt the team with your actions, and especially if you are the highest paid player/one of the most talented guys/vet, be a good example for the younger guys. If Marcel had the heart and work ethic of Kyle, the guy could have been a perennial All Pro. I like Marcel and indeed our run defense dropped a bit when he left and Jax run defense improved a bit, which shows that he is still a good player, and if he put the time in could be a great player, but the fact that he still doesn't understand why he was traded is exactly why he was traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Dareus looked good yesterday. He wasn't nearly the player he was in 2014 since he got paid. He was a force that season as was the rest of our defensive line. Enter big pay check and Rex Ryan and it went down hill. I was against the trade of Dareus mid season because he still added value to the run defense and a 5th round pick for him is trash. Still Dareus is obviously clueless and naive. Not really surprising. Bills need to beef up the Defensive line big time this offseason. Marcel did look good.....the problem is he only looked good on a completely stacked jags team. You dont pay a player 100 million dollars to look good......they should be the guy that makes a play no matter what......stays on the field no matter what......the guy that people look to in the locker room when things are not going right.....the guy that the coaches can look to be that leader on the field.....the example setter. Marcel is NONE of those things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, joesixpack said: He's no kid. He's a grown man. He's a troubled man, but Truth. He's 27 years old and wants to be respected as a Grown-ass Man, but in B'lo he didn't act like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Bills never gave nobody $100 Million. However, nobody didn't show up to play quite a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Regardless of what you think of Dareus's maturity level, McD and Beane really did throw away a ton of talent, witness how well a lot of the players they dumped have played for other teams. Now they have to fill a dozen holes on this squad. Maybe they can do it, but the proof will be in their performance. There is an arrogance in them that, if they succeed, will be justified as self-confidence, but if they fail, will be revealed as hubris. The jury is out yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 He is still behaving like a child. I’m betting that before Camp starts he will be in trouble and in Doug’s dog house once again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, K-9 said: Absolutely. The combination of negatives all added up and his contract was probably the least of it. If none of the other negatives are present and there was no slip in his play, the contract is a total non factor as the expectation was that he would continue to play at the level that earned him that deal in the first place. I heard that he didn't adhere to his prescribed off-season conditioning plan and didn't meet his expected reporting weight. He never gave himself a chance with a new staff that was establishing a new culture and demanding accountability from everyone else and they wouldn't make an exception for him as had been done in the past. This idea of being disrespected is a two way street. he was given all the chances with the bills, and he just decided not to act like a professional. depending on someone's talent level, i suppose every coach has to put up with some level on nonsense, but i think marcel took it to another level. i was so excited to have dareus on this team, and i was proud of the bills giving him a contract to keep him around. dareus just let down the fans and the team. i hope he gets his act in order going forward, but i'm pretty skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, teef said: he was given all the chances with the bills, and he just decided not to act like a professional. depending on someone's talent level, i suppose every coach has to put up with some level on nonsense, but i think marcel took it to another level. i was so excited to have dareus on this team, and i was proud of the bills giving him a contract to keep him around. dareus just let down the fans and the team. i hope he gets his act in order going forward, but i'm pretty skeptical. I wish him nothing but the best moving forward. He played well yesterday; his best game as a Jag from what I've been told. Was used on more passing downs, too. But like you, I'm not convinced that he can maintain a high level moving forward; just too many markers that indicate otherwise. Hope we are wrong about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Darius is, was and will continue to be an idiot. Next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dr. K said: Regardless of what you think of Dareus's maturity level, McD and Beane really did throw away a ton of talent, witness how well a lot of the players they dumped have played for other teams. Now they have to fill a dozen holes on this squad. Maybe they can do it, but the proof will be in their performance. There is an arrogance in them that, if they succeed, will be justified as self-confidence, but if they fail, will be revealed as hubris. The jury is out yet. I think what stands out is that it's hard to find a similar situation where talent dumps like this have worked out. The whole "winning with love" thing is not new.......think Dick Vermeil.......but what usually characterizes those types of coaches is an ability to deal with and develop immature players. McD is going Belichick with regard to personnel but also trying to sell himself as the coach that loves them. Will be interesting to see how it pans out. Regardless, their margin for error in talent evaluation going forward is minute if they plan on remaining competitive in the next couple seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 What is this obsession about what Dareus says? There are several other threads about every little thing he has stated...some were even positive like after the win where he had conflicted feelings because he cared about the players and fans of Buffalo. Do we really need a new to obsess over every little quote? He got traded...it hurt him, and now he is a Jaguar. You think because we traded him he isnt allowed to be confident in the type of player he is...you know the one that made him the 3rd pick in the draft and earned a $100M contract after being a multi Pro Bowler? All he did here was speak the truth...this new regime was down on him from the moment they walked in the building, and Beane literally said so himself. Beane said they saw his contract and incident history and identified him as a red flag player immediately. That was the end of Dareus right there unless he was out there playing like Donald in LA. But injuries kept him from getting into the D until just before we traded, but it didn't matter that he was playing well and according to Beane making huge strides as a player and with the team just before getting traded. They cared WAY more about shedding his contract than anything, especially with the risk of losing him for a long time if anything happened again off field, and the trade had actually very little to do with him in the locker room. He made some bone head off field mistakes while young, it cost him the confidence of a new regime due to the combo of that and his new contract. Now he is playing to go to the Super Bowl with a former coach of his and has literally no reason to doubt his confidence about who he is as a player as he is contributing to one of the best defenses in football right now. I hope MD goes out and has a huge game to crush Brady and the Pats this weekend...shocked more people are talking about that and instead of hanging on every word of his as if he is somehow supposed to be sorry for being traded when he didn't want to be traded in the first place. 27 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: He is still behaving like a child. I’m betting that before Camp starts he will be in trouble and in Doug’s dog house once again. LMAO? How is he behaving like a child? For honestly answering questions by the media that are the truth? Geezus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 31 minutes ago, Dr. K said: Regardless of what you think of Dareus's maturity level, McD and Beane really did throw away a ton of talent, witness how well a lot of the players they dumped have played for other teams. Now they have to fill a dozen holes on this squad. Maybe they can do it, but the proof will be in their performance. There is an arrogance in them that, if they succeed, will be justified as self-confidence, but if they fail, will be revealed as hubris. The jury is out yet. They threw out talented players that were under-productive or had questionable characters or poor work ethics. And they were rewarded by crafting a playoff team. With extra picks and cap room, to boot. 9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I think what stands out is that it's hard to find a similar situation where talent dumps like this have worked out. The whole "winning with love" thing is not new.......think Dick Vermeil.......but what usually characterizes those types of coaches is an ability to deal with and develop immature players. McD is going Belichick with regard to personnel but also trying to sell himself as the coach that loves them. Will be interesting to see how it pans out. Regardless, their margin for error in talent evaluation going forward is minute if they plan on remaining competitive in the next couple seasons. Worked out pretty well this year, donchathink? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: His play here in a 3-4 wasn't worth his contract. Neither was his play this past year in a 4-3 - demotivated and demoralized would cover it, though he did contribute against the run. Early assessments in Jax are he's not the dominant player he once was, though he does contribute as he did here. If he's motivated in the off season, trains like crazy, and comes back as a lean mean sacking machine he may have a resurgence as he's playing besides two all-stars again and he'll get his shots. If he parties down and feels ill-used, he's likely to stay where he is, which is not, right now, at all-pro Edit: I want to add that I think the Jags may prove their own worst enemies going into next week. They are feisty and confident, which is good, but they play like punks at times. The play that took Taylor out was a dirty play. Do that to Tom Brady, you'll be penalized, fined, and suspended. They need to learn that in Foxboro, they are playing the Zebras as well as the Pats. I dislike the Jags very much. They take after their head coach. Even though he is a disciplinarian he must encourage that stuff. Bills were much like the Jags his final season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 hours ago, CuddyDark said: He's telling the truth. He is an all-pro; he was the best player on our team on both sides of the ball, when he was in the mood to play. That was rare and overall, he did nothing to help his situation within the Bills organization. F him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: McDermott switches his 1 tech and 3tech depending on over / under combination Kyle played the 1 and 3 tech This year and so does short and Star I never saw Marcell playing 3tech. And tho I don't watch a lot of Carolina, usually they had Star playing 1tech when I did watch them last playoffs. (2016) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Why would we care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: He is an all-pro; he was the best player on our team on both sides of the ball, when he was in the mood to play. That was rare and overall, he did nothing to help his situation within the Bills organization. F him. I actually don't disagree. But he is telling the truth about the Bills organization and what happened with him and McDermott. McDermott put bums on the field because he was butthurt at Marcell not falling in line with his cult of personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: I never saw Marcell playing 3tech. And tho I don't watch a lot of Carolina, usually they had Star playing 1tech when I did watch them last playoffs. (2016) Dareus has played the 0,1,3, and 5 techniques at one time or another as a pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, K-9 said: Dareus has played the 0,1,3, and 5 techniques at one time or another as a pro. With McDermott? We're talking about under McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: I actually don't disagree. But he is telling the truth about the Bills organization and what happened with him and McDermott. McDermott put bums on the field because he was butthurt at Marcell not falling in line with his cult of personality. this is an interesting view. someone could say mcdermott wants hard working guys who are leaders and help elevate those around them with their play and attitude, but your way of saying it is cute. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: With McDermott? We're talking about under McDermott. Sorry, didn't realize the discussion was confined to his time under McD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: I never saw Marcell playing 3tech. And tho I don't watch a lot of Carolina, usually they had Star playing 1tech when I did watch them last playoffs. (2016) I made a thread when McDermott came here about his 43 under / over defense. You can still check it out but it's locked to reply because it's been inactive for 6 months It's only a few pics for comparison but I watched enough Carolina to see they flip 1 and 3 tech based on over under alignment. Edited January 15, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I made a thread when McDermott came here about his 43 under defense. You can still check it out but it's locked to reply because it's been inactive for 6 months It's only a few pics for comparison but I watched enough Carolina to see they flip 1 and 3 tech based on over under alignment. They did that with Marcell? Marcell played 1tech all the time from what I saw. I might not know the difference but if I missed it, point it out. Edited January 15, 2018 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: They did that with Marcell? Marcell play 1tech all the time from what I saw. I might not know the difference but if I missed it ,point it out. Marcell didn't play that much for us this year and we traded him so long ago I cannot say for 100% without looking back at the tape what technique he's in im saying historically McDermott does switch It up so why switch now. i will look right now to see if I ever saw marcell at the 3 this year. Maybe your right Edited January 15, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Marcell didn't play that much for us this year and we traded him so long ago I cannot say for 100% without looking back at the tape what technique he's in im saying historically McDermott does switch It up so why switch now What does history matter to Marcell? The 1tech in his defense is not a stat player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: What does history matter to Marcell? The 1tech in his defense is not a stat player. The point is the 1 technique in McDermotts defense is rotated by over / under alignment kyle can play it or adolphus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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