I've lost all of my Saint Doug hate...

[billieve420]

40 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

Douglas Marrone left the Bills on bad terms: He had his reasons that we will probably never fully understand.  He is a very good NFL Head Coach. No bitterness here.

 

Maybe watching how Jacksonville has advanced to the AFC Championship should also give us a pause about Tyrod Taylor: Blake Bortles got the Jags there, and if the Bills can get Tyrod back to the 2015 Tyrod (25 total TD's 6 INT) level, and make the defense elite, who says Buffalo can't replicate this success?

 

 

 

It is hard to win consistently with a Qb like Taylor or a Bortles despite all the rhetoric about him since he won a play off game yesterday. You need a lot of things to go right for for them to be successful namely strong defense and running game.

 

You have to continue to search for a upgrade while they hold things down. That is what I expect the Bills to do they will look to FA and the draft for upgrades.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, eball said:

...it just doesn't matter any more.  I actually enjoyed watching the Steelers have their asses handed to them for most of that game, and I'll be pulling for the Jags to beat the Pats*** as well.

 

Saint Doug is "obviously" flawed, but I'm happy where the Bills are and I'm done rooting for Marrone to fail.  We all know Coughlin is pulling the strings anyway. 

 

We shall see.

[Xwnyer]

2 hours ago, eball said:

...it just doesn't matter any more.  I actually enjoyed watching the Steelers have their asses handed to them for most of that game, and I'll be pulling for the Jags to beat the Pats*** as well.

 

Saint Doug is "obviously" flawed, but I'm happy where the Bills are and I'm done rooting for Marrone to fail.  We all know Coughlin is pulling the strings anyway. 

and hoping he listens to coughlin and his connections on how to beat Brady

[Livinginthepast]

27 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I'm one of the few who never had a problem with the guy.  I don't think he did "great" in Buffalo, but it was his first NFL HC gig and it was the Bills during the most uncertain time in the history of the team.  After seeing what kind of owners the Pegs were for those first two years, he did the right thing by taking the money and running.  I'm glad he's doing well.

Never hated him in the first place. Never really liked him either. I thought overall he was an uninspiring choice as coach and an uninspiring coach. When he had that on field blowup  at practice with Whalley? the dysfunction in the whole organization was apparent. I don't blame him for walking away. I will also add that Marrone saw EJ for what he was and what he was ever going to be and at least had the balls to go out and get a viable NFL QB in Orton.

 

In any case Marrone has won 2 playoff games and built a strong D and got the best out of a marginal QB. You have to give him credit. like his personality or not.

 

All these people who somehow hate Marrone and want the Pats to crush the Jags?? How petty can you get? You begrudge Marrone and his success and want the biggest most arrogant dbags , the Pats to win another championship?  Give your head a shake. You are acting like a jilted boyfriend whose ex girlfriend has found happiness without you.  Time to move on!!

Edited January 15, 2018 by Livinginthepast

[BuffaloMatt]

3 hours ago, unclepete said:

He’s a great coach. And he did a great job when he was in Buffalo. Moreso, he seems to have learned to take more risk. He’s a spineless coward but a really good coach. 

So right about spineless coward part. He is like telling your wife that you want a divorce by text. 

[yungmack]

You can both respect a coach's ability while also despising him as a person. Think Belichick.

[stevewin]

4 minutes ago, yungmack said:

You can both respect a coach's ability while also despising him as a person. Think Belichick.

Bad example.  I don't respect coaches who cheat

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

If the Jacksonville defense can make Tom Brady into a whiney little beyotch next Sunday, I'll light a candle in St. Doug's honor.

Yes - at a minimum beat the crap out of him - will say 5 Hail Mary's if he misses the SB

[y2zipper]

I have no issue with the way he left. If a player takes an opt-out, nobody bats an eye. Marrone lost a power struggle to Whaley, which in hindsight is somewhat unfortunate but okay now that Buffalo has good coaching again.

 

The Pegulas put this odd organizational structure in place and have clearly learned from it now that McDermott is in charge.

[Happy]

I'll root for Marrone next week, but I'm glad he left Buffalo.  It's too bad we failed to capitalize on the gift of Marrone taking an out clause in his contract.

[Wayne Arnold]

2 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

Is this serious? Go patriots? Lol

 

Yes. Marrone in the Super Bowl would have me vomiting for two weeks.

[Victory Formation]

I want to see Doug beat the Patriots and then watch JAX lose the Super Bowl.

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Yes. Marrone in the Super Bowl would have me vomiting for two weeks.

I know. It would suck.

 

But still. It’s the Patriots lol

[SoTier]

10 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Yes. Marrone in the Super Bowl would have me vomiting for two weeks.

 

Good.  You'd deserve it for rooting for the Pats.

 

[simool]

Yeah about that.  Marrone is an ass clown.  You can take the clown out of the ass but you can't take the ass out of the clown.

[The_Dude]

Take the emotional aspect out and analyze what Doug did. 

 

Doug quit. Why? 

 

- He didn’t want to draft a QB his first year and he got EJ against his wishes. 

- The next year Whaley does something incredibly stupid by trading up for Sammy. 

- Orton brings a competent presence to the team and then retires. 

 

So, Doug had a 9-7 season and has new owners and an opt out. All things considered he made a good business decision. 

 

He was going into year 3 with EJ and nothing else. The QB offseason landscape didn’t look good. His odds of making the playoffs with EJ were nonexistent. The guy was probably thinking there was a good chance he’d get fired for not making the playoffs after his 3rd season and that the best move for his future was to be remembered as the guy who opted out versus the guy who got fired. 

 

In addition, McDermott had the house cleaned because I believe the front office was toxic. Whaley and Marone couldn’t get along. The coaching staff and the front office couldn’t get in lockstep. So it’s kinda hard to not see Doug’s side. 

[simool]

2 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

Take the emotional aspect out and analyze what Doug did. 

 

Doug quit. Why? 

 

- He didn’t want to draft a QB his first year and he got EJ against his wishes. 

- The next year Whaley does something incredibly stupid by trading up for Sammy. 

- Orton brings a competent presence to the team and then retires. 

 

So, Doug had a 9-7 season and has new owners and an opt out. All things considered he made a good business decision. 

 

He was going into year 3 with EJ and nothing else. The QB offseason landscape didn’t look good. His odds of making the playoffs with EJ were nonexistent. The guy was probably thinking there was a good chance he’d get fired for not making the playoffs after his 3rd season and that the best move for his future was to be remembered as the guy who opted out versus the guy who got fired. 

 

In addition, McDermott had the house cleaned because I believe the front office was toxic. Whaley and Marone couldn’t get along. The coaching staff and the front office couldn’t get in lockstep. So it’s kinda hard to not see Doug’s side. 

 

I don't blame him for what he chose to do, like you said it was the right choice.  I blame him for how he did it.  Ass clown.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, unclepete said:

The Steelers underperformed their talent, which is why I'm not high on Tomlin. 

Tomlin's had his head up his butt ass circling the Pats game(s) and not focusing at the game at hand.  

 

didnt think it would let me use that word

Edited January 15, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[PIZ]

I'm used to the Patriots in the Super Bowl.  Don't want to see Marrone there....can't stand him.  Also, if the Pats win, there's a better chance Belicheck moves on.

[Jacobo Peterman]

I will never like or forgive Doug Marone. It's how he left not that he left, the escape clause in the contract was not intended so he could double dip and take another job. It was to protect DM in case new ownership wanted to go in another direction. The Pegulas are loyal to a fault and paid a premium for Buffalo which increased the value of every other franchise. I think the other 31 owners tacitly felt the same way which left Marone groveling for  line coach job in Jax. Marone knew EJ was bust at QB and Whaley and Brandon were in over the heads, trying to jusitfy picks and sell tickets hence the reach for Watkins. Then the Rex the Carnival Barker comes in and sets the franchise back another two plus years.

As for the current success at Jax. It's a function of way the NFL is suppose to work with a competent front office. Teams with poor records get high draft picks and should have the cap space to lure free agents like Campbell, Boule and Church.  When you over pay for mediocre talent and draft poorly you get pre McD Bills. If Marone beats New England it won't change my disdain for the man. As for the game I don't care who wins I just want to see carnage.

 

 

Edited January 15, 2018 by Jacobo Peterman

[Wayne Arnold]

1 hour ago, The_Dude said:

Take the emotional aspect out and analyze what Doug did. 

 

Doug quit. Why? 

 

- He didn’t want to draft a QB his first year and he got EJ against his wishes.

- The next year Whaley does something incredibly stupid by trading up for Sammy. 

- Orton brings a competent presence to the team and then retires. 

 

So, Doug had a 9-7 season and has new owners and an opt out. All things considered he made a good business decision. 

 

He was going into year 3 with EJ and nothing else. The QB offseason landscape didn’t look good. His odds of making the playoffs with EJ were nonexistent. The guy was probably thinking there was a good chance he’d get fired for not making the playoffs after his 3rd season and that the best move for his future was to be remembered as the guy who opted out versus the guy who got fired. 

 

In addition, McDermott had the house cleaned because I believe the front office was toxic. Whaley and Marone couldn’t get along. The coaching staff and the front office couldn’t get in lockstep. So it’s kinda hard to not see Doug’s side. 

 

I've never heard that Marrone "didn't want to draft a QB his first year and he got EJ against his wishes." Sounds like more Marrone sources BS to me.

[eball]

Just to be clear, I didn't say I like Marrone.  I simply said I'm tired of "hating" him and won't waste my time on it.  The story of his mafia-like meeting with Timmah Graham over "mean tweets" still goes down as one of the most bizarre, egotistical, and ill-advised decisions I've ever seen a head coach make.

[KHAN]

6 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I liked him as the coach.

 

He quit on Buffalo, but he never quit on himself. From what we've heard, Buffalo was a ****ty place to work with Whaley around.

 

I think he was looking out for himself and his family, so I can't blame him.

The overwhelming consensus at the time seemed to be that Buffalo was a ****ty place to work with Marrone around.

 

 

[The_Dude]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

I've never heard that Marrone "didn't want to draft a QB his first year and he got EJ against his wishes." Sounds like more Marrone sources BS to me.

 

Really? I remember that being something that was fairly well reported. I’ve read it several times since it happened that Buddy Nix was hellbent on drafting “insert QB’s name here” and the scouts said EJ had the highest ceiling and Marone wasn’t down. Sounds like Marone though — I mean he’s a guy who just wants a “steady Eddy” like an Alex Smith or something. 

[Fadingpain]

7 hours ago, unclepete said:

He’s a great coach. And he did a great job when he was in Buffalo. Moreso, he seems to have learned to take more risk. He’s a spineless coward but a really good coach. 

He wasn't spineless when he went for it on 4th and goal from the 1 or 2 early in the game on Saturday.  Really set a tone..."This is the playoffs, we are here to win."

Loved that.  Not sure McDummy would have done the same in same situation, especially early in the game; he probably would have kicked the FG.

 

 

[Wayne Arnold]

1 minute ago, The_Dude said:

 

Really? I remember that being something that was fairly well reported. I’ve read it several times since it happened that Buddy Nix was hellbent on drafting “insert QB’s name here” and the scouts said EJ had the highest ceiling and Marone wasn’t down. Sounds like Marone though — I mean he’s a guy who just wants a “steady Eddy” like an Alex Smith or something. 

 

Only thing I ever heard was that Marrone preferred to keep Fitzpatrick instead of replacing him with Kolb. But Marrone is famous for whining about things that don't work out in hindsight and pretending everyone else was at fault for the things that went wrong.

[Fadingpain]

3 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

I want to see Doug beat the Patriots and then watch JAX lose the Super Bowl.

That would work, especially if Minnesota is in the Superbowl; they are one of those rare franchises that has never really harmed the Bills and so I have no hatred for them.

In fact, I kind of like them and would probably root for them, especially as they have never won the big one.

 

 

[Wayne Arnold]

 

Just now, Fadingpain said:

He wasn't spineless when he went for it on 4th and goal from the 1 or 2 early in the game on Saturday.  Really set a tone..."This is the playoffs, we are here to win."

Loved that.  Not sure McDummy would have done the same in same situation, especially early in the game; he probably would have kicked the FG.

 

You may be too young to remember when Marrone was here but he was so conservative when he was the Bills' head coach he would have punted from the opponent's 1 yard line.

[KD in CA]

Life is too short to hate anyone besides the Patriots.

[Victory Formation]

8 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

That would work, especially if Minnesota is in the Superbowl; they are one of those rare franchises that has never really harmed the Bills and so I have no hatred for them.

In fact, I kind of like them and would probably root for them, especially as they have never won the big one.

 

 

Although the idea of Brady's career ending after a Super Bowl loss would be satisfying but New England isn't a good matchup for Minnesota, I think Jacksonville would be the softer target for them.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

7 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

He was pissed about Sammy and EJ and having no power to do anything about it.     Hey first timer Welcome to the NFL.   

 

He also had to hire the SB winning coach Tom Coughlin to turn that boat in the right direction.  

Rightfully so. Those were maniacal draft choices by the Whaley regime. 

[Doc]

Marrone is nothing special.  If the Jags can beat the Cheaters this weekend, I might change my tune, but I don't see that happening.  His team played the weakest schedule in the NFL, barely beat an offensively-inept Bills team at home, and re-played a team they matched up well with in the Steelers.   

[unclepete]

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

He wasn't spineless when he went for it on 4th and goal from the 1 or 2 early in the game on Saturday.  Really set a tone..."This is the playoffs, we are here to win."

Loved that.  Not sure McDummy would have done the same in same situation, especially early in the game; he probably would have kicked the FG.

 

 

Haha spineless for quitting on the Bills

[Schmuggs]

It’s funny because I had a bet who would make the playoffs first. We both did. 

 

Marrone was a great coach with a personality problem. He was changing our culture and things would be much better if he stayed. 

 

It’s just too bad the guy has no self respect or loyalty. But we don’t know what happened behind the scenes. 

 

There is no doubt; Marrone was our best coach since Levy. 

 

The bald ginger has potential but not there yet. 

[CodeMonkey]

On 1/15/2018 at 8:01 AM, Doc said:

 

Yup.  That team has Coughlin written all over it. 

Well yeah, why else would they hire him?  And they needed a coach who could operate in a Coughlin designed team, which they apparently have. Good for them.

[May Day 10]

i suspect he left mainly due to pegula choosing to continue with a flawed management structure.  he didnt want to stake his career on things like brandon and whaley trying to force ej manuel to be good.  

 

mcdermott got what marrone wanted here.  polian would have been brought in to mold the front office, probably chosen a gm to work with marrone... and we would likely have had a better result in 2015 and 2016.  

[ProcessTheTrust]

I joined a Jags message board the week of our game just to interact with them a bit. Went on today and they are posting that we are all salty about Marrone. I can't speak for everyone but I said many, if not most, are not. We've moved on and we actually hope they win. Our Pats hate supersedes all else.

[Albwan]

I found the script leaked on the interwebs, Jags get blown out 42-17, THEN after many kneels, Vikings jump out

to a 35 point lead on the Pats in the sb, THEN Pats score 42 unanswered points in the fourth quarter !

 

Amazing ! 

[HT02]

On 1/15/2018 at 7:23 AM, unclepete said:

He’s a great coach. And he did a great job when he was in Buffalo. Moreso, he seems to have learned to take more risk. He’s a spineless coward but a really good coach. 

Why do you say he's a spineless coward?  He obviously hated working with Whaley (rightfully so) and he did what was best for himself.  Nothing cowardice about that.  Would the Pegulas been spineless for firing him?

On 1/15/2018 at 7:33 AM, BillsFan2313 said:

I don't like or respect any quitter. Screw that clown. 

You don't have any respect for someone who quits their job?  That's a little harsh, I think slavery was abolished years ago and most people are free to leave their job when they don't like the circumstances.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I have no problem with Marrone, if my work !@#$ing up my contact and gave me a out worth millions I would probably take it too.

3 minutes ago, HT02 said:

Why do you say he's a spineless coward?  He obviously hated working with Whaley (rightfully so) and he did what was best for himself.  Nothing cowardice about that.  Would the Pegulas been spineless for firing him?

You don't have any respect for someone who quits their job?  That's a little harsh, I think slavery was abolished years ago and most people are free to leave their job when they don't like the circumstances.

Agree 100%, if they would've fired Whaley and Brandon was moved far far far away from the Bills then I think he stays. Just speaking to Whaley probably made it happen, Whaley and Brandon are a huge reason for the playoff drought. I will be rooting for the Jaguars to beat the Patriots, it will be a hard game to watch because you have to swallow at least 2 BS calls but I'm going to do it.

[JAMIEBUF12]

Never had any Doug hate.Liked him as a coach and when he quit I almost felt like the Pegulas forced him out.I wanted Jim Schwartz to take over the head coaching job.At least we have a good young head coach now so all is good....Go Bills!!