T-Bomb Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 After watching the Gronk incident a few more times, I have lost all remaining respect I had for Kyle Williams, this player is going to retire with his tail between his legs. His will be a Schobel-like retirement, he'll go away and no one will care. I didn't need him to take Gronk's head off, but at least get in his face and friggin say something! Not only are Pegula's teams a disgrace to the region, the players themselves are a disgrace to their respective sports as well. It's interesting that new veteran players from other teams on both the Sabres and the Bills act and say things differently than players who have been here a while, they can see the lack of pride in One Buffalo. It's such a disgrace to see sports teams with no heart, It's just so "Buffalo" This rust belt region could really use their sports teams to help lift the veil of dreariness, but said teams are failing on an epic scale. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 35 minutes ago, T-Bomb said: After watching the Gronk incident a few more times, I have lost all remaining respect I had for Kyle Williams, this player is going to retire with his tail between his legs. His will be a Schobel-like retirement, he'll go away and no one will care. I didn't need him to take Gronk's head off, but at least get in his face and friggin say something! Not only are Pegula's teams a disgrace to the region, the players themselves are a disgrace to their respective sports as well. It's interesting that new veteran players from other teams on both the Sabres and the Bills act and say things differently than players who have been here a while, they can see the lack of pride in One Buffalo. It's such a disgrace to see sports teams with no heart, It's just so "Buffalo" This rust belt region could really use their sports teams to help lift the veil of dreariness, but said teams are failing on an epic scale. Lost respect for Williams?? Preston Brown was RIGHT THERE when it happened and he didn't do squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Are you kidding me? What do you want a 15 yard penalty for Kyle's actions. he's smarter than that in not responding. This isn't a street fight in high school. It's the NFL. Gronk's BS play was terrible, but that doesn't mean you make it worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 15 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Are you kidding me? What do you want a 15 yard penalty for Kyle's actions. he's smarter than that in not responding. This isn't a street fight in high school. It's the NFL. Gronk's BS play was terrible, but that doesn't mean you make it worse. He didn't even have to hit him to stand up for his fellow teammate, he acted like a coward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 No he acted like a pro. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Azucho98 said: Lost respect for Williams?? Preston Brown was RIGHT THERE when it happened and he didn't do squat. Williams is supposed to be some great veteran leader... He looked more like a guy wanting to just collect a paycheck. If that's the best leadership the Bills are getting out of their players, there is no wonder to the 18 years... Edited December 4, 2017 by T-Bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imissbeastmode Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 29 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Are you kidding me? What do you want a 15 yard penalty for Kyle's actions. he's smarter than that in not responding. This isn't a street fight in high school. It's the NFL. Gronk's BS play was terrible, but that doesn't mean you make it worse. Lol this guy is worried about a 15 yard penalty. This team is a pushover, has been for a long time. Kyle Williams is a lovable loser. Like in wrestling, the Bills are the jobbers of the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 What a sickening thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 This situation has been beat to death in another thread. Why didn't this player do this or that? Any Bills player that got involved would likely be fined or suspended...if you don't think so rewatch the game. There are clearly two sets of rules one for the Cheatriots and one for the Bills and the rest of the league. Bradys intentional grounding the 9 yard 1st down...every time the Bills got a big play on first down it was called back on a penalty. Then Gronks cheap shot and the Bills come out of it with the extra penalty....how dare they intercept the GOAT. Its over the Bills lost and the rematch is in two weeks I hope they go after Bradys knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: No he acted like a pro. Hooray for him acting like a pro. Well done. Way to send a message heard round the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Hooray for him acting like a pro. Well done. Way to send a message heard round the world. The Bills play them in 3 weeks,retribution in hockey sometimes happens weeks or months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: Are you kidding me? What do you want a 15 yard penalty for Kyle's actions. he's smarter than that in not responding. This isn't a street fight in high school. It's the NFL. Gronk's BS play was terrible, but that doesn't mean you make it worse. I would have much rather taken 15 yards for someone blasting Gronk rather than the stupid penalty Hughes took by saying something to the refs. 1 hour ago, T-Bomb said: Williams is supposed to be some great veteran leader... He looked more like a guy wanting to just collect a paycheck. If that's the best leadership the Bills are getting out of their players, there is no wonder to the 18 years... Laughable dude. Kyle gave his heart, soul and career to this team and you are picking on him for this? How about your starting QB? He threw for 65 yards. He simply showed up for his check too..... Edited December 4, 2017 by Azucho98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, T-Bomb said: He didn't even have to hit him to stand up for his fellow teammate, he acted like a coward. You’re comments are what is disgraceful. Kyle has a long legacy of leaving it all on the field for a perennially bad organization. He has also been generous to the community and the fans. Finally, he has conducted himself with nothing but class over the span of his career. If that is not enough of a statement for you then why don’t you join the Patriots fans who I am sure are cheering Gronk’s Classless act. 10 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Hear Hear, well said BuffaloBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, BuffaloBill said: You’re comments are what is disgraceful. Kyle has a long legacy of leaving it all on the field for a perennially bad organization. He has also been generous to the community and the fans. Finally, he has conducted himself with nothing but class over the span of his career. If that is not enough of a statement for you then why don’t you join the Patriots fans who I am sure are cheering Gronk’s Classless act. T-Bomb is right. Kyle lets an opposing player possibly paralyze one of his brothers on his home field with not even a comment. It was a pathetic display. Kyle Williams has been my favorite player on this team for years. I even bought his jersey years ago and I think buying jerseys is stupid. But what he did (or didn't do) yesterday is inexcusable and indicative of an attitude of indifference which has permeated this organizations for nearly two decades. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 58 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: The Bills play them in 3 weeks,retribution in hockey sometimes happens weeks or months later. In three weeks it'll be Christmas Eve ... Peace and good will towards men etc ... These kittens will be ready to run for the bus as soon as they get off it to get home with their families and sip some egg nog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 This thread is why we need a thumbs down next to thumbs up. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 hours ago, T-Bomb said: After watching the Gronk incident a few more times, I have lost all remaining respect I had for Kyle Williams, this player is going to retire with his tail between his legs. His will be a Schobel-like retirement, he'll go away and no one will care. I didn't need him to take Gronk's head off, but at least get in his face and friggin say something! Not only are Pegula's teams a disgrace to the region, the players themselves are a disgrace to their respective sports as well. It's interesting that new veteran players from other teams on both the Sabres and the Bills act and say things differently than players who have been here a while, they can see the lack of pride in One Buffalo. It's such a disgrace to see sports teams with no heart, It's just so "Buffalo" This rust belt region could really use their sports teams to help lift the veil of dreariness, but said teams are failing on an epic scale. What's the old saying 2 wrongs don't make a right !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 As much as I agree with the OP's sentiment about the Bills lack of response in standing up for a teammate, the target of his rage is misplaced. Kyle has never been that type of player to brawl and that's what you needed there. I have no problem with any of the Bills players going after Gronk at all. There should have been a sidelines clearing brawl after that. But Kyle is not your man to lead it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Kyle has his own, in-game drone, along with a direct feed into his helmet. I'm sure he saw the entire incident and replayed it several times, frame by frame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 hours ago, T-Bomb said: He didn't even have to hit him to stand up for his fellow teammate, he acted like a coward. A namless guy on a message board calling an 11 year professional defensive lineman a coward might be the most ironic thing about this whole thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Are you kidding me? What do you want a 15 yard penalty for Kyle's actions. he's smarter than that in not responding. This isn't a street fight in high school. It's the NFL. Gronk's BS play was terrible, but that doesn't mean you make it worse. Obviously he is not smart because any 15 yard penalty would have been offset unsless you say something upsetting to the Ref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, JMF2006 said: The Bills play them in 3 weeks,retribution in hockey sometimes happens weeks or months later. In hockey, a player would have faught right away if someone did that to their teammate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 One Buffalo Bill was knocked senseless. Fifty-two other Bills did nothing. Two Bills were right on top of the play. One put his hands in the air; the other did the "throwing the flag" gesture. This is a team built on "love," right? Ha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 37 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: As much as I agree with the OP's sentiment about the Bills lack of response in standing up for a teammate, the target of his rage is misplaced. Kyle has never been that type of player to brawl and that's what you needed there. I have no problem with any of the Bills players going after Gronk at all. There should have been a sidelines clearing brawl after that. But Kyle is not your man to lead it. Then he shouldn't be captain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Then he shouldn't be captain. I suppose you're a huge fan of Vontaze Burfict, huh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 If players rather care about a $250k next game check I don’t blame them. Kyle Williams isn’t playing for free. If you level Gronk and get suspended you don’t get paid. Not worth it. But you can legally-illegally hit the hell out of someone (Brady) on the next play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: I suppose you're a huge fan of Vontaze Burfict, huh Why would I be? Burfict doles out unwarranted cheap shots just like Gronk did. I'm talking about sticking up for a brother who has been wronged. No idea what he has to do with this. 2 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: If players rather care about a $250k next game check I don’t blame them. Kyle Williams isn’t playing for free. If you level Gronk and get suspended you don’t get paid. Not worth it. But you can legally-illegally hit the hell out of someone (Brady) on the next play. Would Kyle Williams have been fined for getting in Gronk's face and telling him he'd better have his head on a swivel the next time he's on the field against the Bills? No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Can we do a forced retirement of the OP? Yeah, the guy who has spent his life smashing into 300lb muscle bound men is a coward because he didn't lose his cool like some posters on this board. I like to call that "being an adult." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, MDH said: Can we do a forced retirement of the OP? Yeah, the guy who has spent his life smashing into 300lb muscle bound men is a coward because he didn't lose his cool like some posters on this board. I like to call that "being an adult." Some of you guys are certainly rooting for the right team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Are you kidding me? What do you want a 15 yard penalty for Kyle's actions. he's smarter than that in not responding. This isn't a street fight in high school. It's the NFL. Gronk's BS play was terrible, but that doesn't mean you make it worse. The game was all but over at the time, 15 yards would have been well worth standing up to Gronk punking our rookie, the Bills embrassed themselves by doing nothing, that was sick to watch. If the game was tied or we had real chance to win then yes. Edited December 4, 2017 by Niagara Dude 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 4 hours ago, T-Bomb said: After watching the Gronk incident a few more times, I have lost all remaining respect I had for Kyle Williams, this player is going to retire with his tail between his legs. His will be a Schobel-like retirement, he'll go away and no one will care. I didn't need him to take Gronk's head off, but at least get in his face and friggin say something! Not only are Pegula's teams a disgrace to the region, the players themselves are a disgrace to their respective sports as well. It's interesting that new veteran players from other teams on both the Sabres and the Bills act and say things differently than players who have been here a while, they can see the lack of pride in One Buffalo. It's such a disgrace to see sports teams with no heart, It's just so "Buffalo" This rust belt region could really use their sports teams to help lift the veil of dreariness, but said teams are failing on an epic scale. I'm telling you, this team is different. Did you hear Hyde after the game? I have no doubt, especially when we are out of the playoff hunt, that they are going to take a few "unnecessary" shots at Gronk for what he did. Poyer, Hyde, or maybe even Gaines. It's gonna happen. Watch what I tell you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Then he shouldn't be captain. But its not hockey. The role of a captain is way different in football. Its all about leading the plays on the field (and the all important coin toss!!!) Besides I don't think NFL players are brawlers. When you have a sport where you can lay a huge lick on someone perfectly in the rules and put them in a lot of pain you do that rather than throw a punch after the whistle. NFL players usually never expect to see a dirty hit like that. The Bills players including Kyle were either a) stunned by what the saw and didn't react b) Didn't believe what they saw, because that stuff rarely happens or c) Didn't even see the play. A hothead like Jerry Hughes is just the type of player to brawl with Gronk not Kyle. Hughes is big and heavy enough to do it. He must have seen it happen or why mouth off? I more disappointed in Hughes than Kyle. If you are going to get a penalty then earn it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said: You’re comments are what is disgraceful. Kyle has a long legacy of leaving it all on the field for a perennially bad organization. He has also been generous to the community and the fans. Finally, he has conducted himself with nothing but class over the span of his career. If that is not enough of a statement for you then why don’t you join the Patriots fans who I am sure are cheering Gronk’s Classless act. I couldn’t agree more !!! Gronk acted like a punk if Williams gets involved and retaliates the possibility of both benches clearing ( IMO ) would have been pretty high , there’s no way I could see Williams being responsible for something like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Livinginthepast said: But its not hockey. The role of a captain is way different in football. Its all about leading the plays on the field (and the all important coin toss!!!) Besides I don't think NFL players are brawlers. When you have a sport where you can lay a huge lick on someone perfectly in the rules and put them in a lot of pain you do that rather than throw a punch after the whistle. NFL players usually never expect to see a dirty hit like that. The Bills players including Kyle were either a) stunned by what the saw and didn't react b) Didn't believe what they saw, because that stuff rarely happens or c) Didn't even see the play. A hothead like Jerry Hughes is just the type of player to brawl with Gronk not Kyle. Hughes is big and heavy enough to do it. He must have seen it happen or why mouth off? I more disappointed in Hughes than Kyle. If you are going to get a penalty then earn it. There's a pretty sizeable gap between brawling and doing nothing. There are many options between those two things that would have been better than what White's teammates did(n't do). Kyle obviously isn't a fighter and never will be. That doesn't excuse his lack of leadership in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: There's a pretty sizeable gap between brawling and doing nothing. There are many options between those two things that would have been better than what White's teammates did(n't do). Kyle obviously isn't a fighter and never will be. That doesn't excuse his lack of leadership in that situation. I would have voted "brawl' in this situation. If that was not enough to warrant a brawl then NFL players should never ever fight. Edited December 4, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: There's a pretty sizeable gap between brawling and doing nothing. There are many options between those two things that would have been better than what White's teammates did(n't do). Kyle obviously isn't a fighter and never will be. That doesn't excuse his lack of leadership in that situation. Prestone Brown was standing right there. Kyle is no where in the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Prestone Brown was standing right there. Kyle is no where in the shot. He just froze up and did nothing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 This reminded me of the Lucic/Ryan Miller incident . . . except worse. I was surprised that NO Buffalo Bill seemed to want to do anything about this. Not just Kyle Williams. It must be part of the process. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Another "I can't believe no one started a fight!!!" discussion. This is the NFL.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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