Matt_In_NH Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) They have til week 10 to do it. By then the season outcome should be more clear. Edited August 21, 2017 by mattynh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 SW was replaced with Matthews. Boldin was going to move down the depth chart. That really didn't change Holmes' value. If Boldin had looked good out there and stayed, then Holmes would be gone for sure. Â If Matthews gets healthy Holmes is no higher than the #3 WR. Ducasse has been a dumpster fire. Davis is solid but expendable with EY kicking butt. Â Who wouldn't trade their #3 for a 3rd round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 The Patriots make these moves all the time...it's part of the way they've built their team. Â You couldn't trade Andre Holmes, Ryan Davis and Vlad Ducasse for a 3rd round pick...cutting fringe players, at best, is definitely worth a 3rd round pick. Â I'd rather keep Brandon Reilly, bring back Kolby Listenbee or sign Dorial Green-Beckham, than keep Andre Holmes...he's 29 years old, with 1,400 yards and 12 TD's in 6 seasons. Â (You can find an Andre Holmes anywhere, just like they found Justin Hunter and his 4 TD's last year...you can easily find someone cheaper to provide 250 yards and 2 TD's per season.) Â The Patriots make these moves all the time...it's part of the way they've built their team. Â You couldn't trade Andre Holmes, Ryan Davis and Vlad Ducasse for a 3rd round pick...cutting fringe players, at best, is definitely worth a 3rd round pick. Â I'd rather keep Brandon Reilly, bring back Kolby Listenbee or sign Dorial Green-Beckham, than keep Andre Holmes...he's 29 years old, with 1,400 yards and 12 TD's in 6 seasons. Â (You can find an Andre Holmes anywhere, just like they found Justin Hunter and his 4 TD's last year...you can easily find someone cheaper to provide 250 yards and 2 TD's per season.) Â Justin Hunter may be available if the Steelers cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 If they really were forward-thinking enough to care about comp picks, why would they sign Hauschka? Beane was not the GM that signed Hauschka, or Ducasse, or Holmes, or Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Imagine if half this fanbase cared about wins as much as comp picks? Where else have you ever heard them even get talked about? HAHA - I was thinking the exact thing!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Ryan Davis looked good. So be probably sticks and blows the 3rd rounder anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Sammy traded Boldin retires  I really thought there was a chance that Holmes might get cut in that 3rd round comp pick formula.......I dont think that is happening now.  Too bad...we wont have an extra 3rd round pick for everyone to complain about who we take with it and demand we cut before they ever step on the field. Bummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Beane was not the GM that signed Hauschka, or Ducasse, or Holmes, or Davis. Â That is true. But I've read about a dozen articles following Beane's hiring about how in lockstep Beane/McDermott/the whole FO is, and how the Bills as an organization finally have a common vision that everyone is working towards. So if the argument is, "nothing that happened pre-Beane can be held against the current FO", I'm not buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 Ryan Davis looked good. So be probably sticks and blows the 3rd rounder anyway. Agreed....I was just thinking about this and how it looks like we have an excellent DL AND depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Agreed....I was just thinking about this and how it looks like we have an excellent DL AND depth  Yup. And the LB and secondary are looking decent as well. The main concern is now OL and receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Comp Picks; TBD's crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Â That is true. But I've read about a dozen articles following Beane's hiring about how in lockstep Beane/McDermott/the whole FO is, and how the Bills as an organization finally have a common vision that everyone is working towards. So if the argument is, "nothing that happened pre-Beane can be held against the current FO", I'm not buying it. Â The "common vision" talk is just standard lip service. I think every new front office wants it to be known that they are all working lockstep toward a championship. It's no different than a FA coming here and saying "this is a perfect fit for me" or "this is where I always wanted to be" or my favorite, "I really think this team has the talent to win it all". Time will tell -- if the three players are gone from the team before week 10, there will be no doubt who was making those acquisitions back in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb62 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I say the bye week is the week we hand it over to Peterman. His skill set works best for this offence, short drops, quick discussions, accurate short timing throws and he is mobile. I know people are going to say he was a 5th round pick and I'm not saying he will be the long term answer. However, TT is best suited when he can take deep drops allowing him to see over the line and tempting lineman to veer out of their rush lanes allowing TT the option to take off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) Let's just hope all of our FA pickups play poorly. Edited August 21, 2017 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
run dat back Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 What an off season. I cant believe I miss Rex. Â Said no one ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Ryan Davis looked good. So be probably sticks and blows the 3rd rounder anyway. Not that you're saying this exactly, but I found your post funny. It struck me as, how dare a guy look good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Not that you're saying this exactly, but I found your post funny. It struck me as, how dare a guy look good? Â Yeah, that bastige! Â No, it's a good problem to have. The late 3rd round comp pick would have been nice, but if they can get depth players like Davis for cheap, I'm fine with it. However I do not want them keeping scrubs like Ducasse and blowing the comp pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Sammy traded Boldin retires  I really thought there was a chance that Holmes might get cut in that 3rd round comp pick formula.......I dont think that is happening now.  I don't know what kind of crap GM foregoes a potential 3rd round compensatory pick for a pittance like a second round pick.  Beane needs to be fired, with Whaley re-hired and fired again just for spite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Â The "common vision" talk is just standard lip service. I think every new front office wants it to be known that they are all working lockstep toward a championship. It's no different than a FA coming here and saying "this is a perfect fit for me" or "this is where I always wanted to be" or my favorite, "I really think this team has the talent to win it all". Time will tell -- if the three players are gone from the team before week 10, there will be no doubt who was making those acquisitions back in March. Â I agree with all of this, to an extent. (Given that McDermott and Beane worked together in Carolina, and there were tons of reports that Beane would be the guy to replace Whaley, I think they're probably more in sync than most of the GM/HC combos we've had.) I firmly believe that the Bills won't cut enough qualifying free agents to earn any comp picks next year. But if they do, then yes - clearly Beane's hire had an impact on the FO's overall thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 So, since we kept Ducasse, I'm assuming no comp pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) So, since we kept Ducasse, I'm assuming no comp pick?cuts aren't done. Roster fluid and more change will likely come by Monday night. Waiver claims tomorrow accompanied by more cuts to make room. Another round of waivers on Monday. That said they have until week 10 for those comp pick related cuts anyway. And it's not Ducasse on his own, it has to be him plus two of several other UFAs who were signed. And none were cut, yet. Edited September 2, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 cuts aren't done. Roster fluid and more change will likely come by Monday night. Waiver claims tomorrow accompanied by more cuts to make room. Another round of waivers on Monday. Â That said they have until week 10 for those comp pick related cuts anyway. And it's not Ducasse on his own, it has to be him plus two of several other UFAs who were signed. And none were cut, yet. Â ...thanks bro for the clarification.......so DuGASSED could still be gone is a good sign.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Â ...thanks bro for the clarification.......so DuGASSED could still be gone is a good sign.... he could be but I have a feeling someone on the interior OL is going to be traded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Imagine if half this fanbase cared about wins as much as comp picks? Where else have you ever heard them even get talked about? Why should the fan base care about wins. The GM sure doesn't. This is the worst roster in 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crowing Rooster Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 he could be but I have a feeling someone on the interior OL is going to be traded Like Ritchie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) Like Ritchie? I am going to guess Miller or Ducasse. Maybe Groy. Edited September 3, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 he could be but I have a feeling someone on the interior OL is going to be traded Yeah, Miller. I've been saying that for a couple of weeks. I don't get it, but you can see the writing on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Yeah, Miller. I've been saying that for a couple of weeks. I don't get it, but you can see the writing on the wall. It will be Miller. Ducasse is " their guy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I am going to guess Miller or Ducasse. Maybe Groy.I wish it was Wood. I know Group is a no spring chicken but I would think we need to draft a new OC in 2019 as it is. Groy is a cheaper holdover.  If only we got by without Glenn and Kouj didn't go nuts that'd have been great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Sammy traded Boldin retires  I really thought there was a chance that Holmes might get cut in that 3rd round comp pick formula.......I dont think that is happening now. It doesn't have to happen til week 10...plenty of time yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) As a general comp pick update.... Lerentee McCray does not get cut in Jacksonville (ST value). Â Justin Hunter and EJ Manuel also survive this cut giving them a chance to bump up the list. The Steelers cut Cobi Hamilton as well as trading Coates both of whom saw some action last year. Wouldn't be surprised to see then use Hunter similar to how we did last year... red zone specialist. Brown and Bryant will be the starters obviously, but Hunter has a totally different skill set to Eli Rodgers and Heyward-Bey who are now his likely competition lower down the roster. Edited September 3, 2017 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I would cut Taiwan Jones, Vlad Ducasse then bring back Reilly and open up some spots along with going after that add'l comp pick. Â Come on Buffalo - Let's get this right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boco357 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Looks like today, checking the over the cap site, that the Bills would have to make 4 roster moves now to get a 3rd round pick. Leonard Johnson made roster and moved up into qualifying area. On the other side Robert Blanton was cut by the Cowboys and Justin Hunter was inactive the first week. Â https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Bills reportedly working out John Greco. Would be an upgrade to Vlad as well as getting one cut done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likei've Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Imagine if half this fanbase cared about wins as much as comp picks? Where else have you ever heard them even get talked about? Ok, I'm imagining it. What now? Are you one of those people that think the fans influence a game? Â You're right. If the fans talked more about wins than comp picks we'd definitely have a championship by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Ok, I'm imagining it. What now? Are you one of those people that think the fans influence a game? Â You're right. If the fans talked more about wins than comp picks we'd definitely have a championship by now. Do you really not think fans influence decisions made by the team? That's not even the point I was trying to make. Why are people worried about a supplemental draft pick for next year before this season even starts? Why are we going to want to give up players that can help us this season, in order to maybe get a comp pick 7 months from now? This team never drafts the right players anyway. Wouldn't it be nice to occasionally look forward to a season starting and thinking it might turn out decent for a change? Rather then think about the following offseason? It's not like we are hurting for draft picks in the next draft anyway. How about keeping guys that can help us win for a change and maybe actually winning games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Do you really not think fans influence decisions made by the team? That's not even the point I was trying to make. Why are people worried about a supplemental draft pick for next year before this season even starts? Why are we going to want to give up players that can help us this season, in order to maybe get a comp pick 7 months from now? This team never drafts the right players anyway. Wouldn't it be nice to occasionally look forward to a season starting and thinking it might turn out decent for a change? Rather then think about the following offseason? It's not like we are hurting for draft picks in the next draft anyway. How about keeping guys that can help us win for a change and maybe actually winning games? Â I think the point is.... Â If you are a GM, would you rather have Vlad Ducasse and Andre Holmes this year or other replacement level guys at OG and WR AND an additional 3rd round pick next year? Â Also, I don't know how you could say this team never drafts the "right" players since the people responsible for drafts in the past are no longer with the team and it's too early to assess the 2017 draft. Edited September 13, 2017 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Â I think the point is.... Â If you are a GM, would you rather have Vlad Ducasse and Andre Holmes this year or other replacement level guys at OG and WR AND an additional 3rd round pick next year? Â Also, I don't know how you could say this team never drafts the "right" players since the people responsible for drafts in the past are no longer with the team and it's too early to assess the 2017 draft. I rather have John Greco & Rilley over homles and vlad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Pretty sure we have until week 10 to cut the players needed to get the comp pick. Â And if we are out of the playoff picture by then pretty sure that will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Pretty sure we have until week 10 to cut the players needed to get the comp pick. Â And if we are out of the playoff picture by then pretty sure that will happen. Â They'd need to cut too many of them, and hope no other teams cut their former Bills players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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