YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 Only in Buffalo would a career #4 WR be talked of as a #2 WR. Buffalo fans are used to a very low bar. A nice depth signing, bit not a real #2. Certainly not anyway close to an equal replacement for Woods. I agree 100%, I think fans who think signing a guy who caught 16 passes last year, and the year b4, is a candidate to be our starting WR opposite Sammy is somewhat delusional. Its part of that notion that competing AFC playoff teams are playing chess while we are celebrating checkers jc unless the Bills take a WR in the 1st rd, I think it's kind of delusional to not realize he's a candidate for the #2WR position. What other FA WRs do you anticipate them signing at this point? You may not like it, but that's the reality of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Should be interesting to see how many times he is thrown to in preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Agreed. If we can sign zach Brown or another good wlb/lb that is good in coverage we can go Davis or Howard in rd 1 then cb in rd 2 or cb rd 1 zay/Schuster/TE rd 2 and RT/safety rd 3 Gotta get a QB in the first three rounds. I like the idea of a trade down from #10 for an extra pick or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 unless the Bills take a WR in the 1st rd, I think it's kind of delusional to not realize he's a candidate for the #2WR position. What other FA WRs do you anticipate them signing at this point? You may not like it, but that's the reality of the situation.That's the point, how can it be justified that this guy is the number two other than the lack of options? Fans trying to act like this guy is a #2 based on ability and not circumstance is the issue. If buffalo doesn't address the position early, we will be in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 That's the point, how can it be justified that this guy is the number two other than the lack of options? Fans trying to act like this guy is a #2 based on ability and not circumstance is the issue. If buffalo doesn't address the position early, we will be in trouble. Even if they do take one early, the rookie will be going into camp competing for the #2 spot with Holmes, Brown and Listenbee. So, yes he's a "candidate." It's a TC competition. Nothing wrong with a little competition. It's your own opinion that he's not worthy of being included in the competition. Your opinion doesn't make other people delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Still need to draft a receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 In 4 years, he's been Questionable/Probable a handful of times, but he's never been out. After Salas, Harvin, Goodwin, etc --- having a receiver available all 16 games is like 4 roster additions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Even if they do take one early, the rookie will be going into camp competing for the #2 spot with Holmes, Brown and Listenbee. So, yes he's a "candidate." It's a TC competition. Nothing wrong with a little competition. It's your own opinion that he's not worthy of being included in the competition. Your opinion doesn't make other people delusional. Did I ever say he shouldn't be part of a competiton? Or did I say people saying he's out number 2 based on talent is the problem. If we draft a WR in the first two rounds that can't beat this guy out... Everyone is making it out like this guy is some diamond in the rough. Because most WRs who have had a single year of production really his their stride a year away from ther 30th B Day (will be 29 going into the season). I am pulling for him because he's on our roster, but I am also realistic. Edited March 19, 2017 by BillsFan17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Did I ever say he shouldn't be part of a competiton? Or did I say people saying he's out number 2 based on talent is the problem. If we draft a WR in the first two rounds that can't beat this guy out... Everyone is making it out like this guy is some diamond in the rough. Because most WRs who have had a single year of production really his their stride a year away from ther 30th B Day (will be 29 going into the season). I am pulling for him because he's on our roster, but I am also realistic. Well yes, you said Bills fans who think he's a candidate for the #2 spot are delusional. Wait - "somewhat" delusional. Edited March 19, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowisu80 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 That's the point, how can it be justified that this guy is the number two other than the lack of options? Fans trying to act like this guy is a #2 based on ability and not circumstance is the issue. If buffalo doesn't address the position early, we will be in trouble. im not sure if its "fans" acting like he is a number 2; i think its more knowing what to expect. Do I think Holmes is a number 2? No. Do i think the bills brought him in to be the number 2? yes, I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Well yes, you said Bills fans who think he's a candidate for the #2 spot are delusional. Wait - "somewhat" delusional. If he ends up in the top 3 and is regularly on the field in 2017 then Whaley did not do enough to strengthen the position. Like Fan17 I hope like heck that the guy plays out of his mind, but, history is usually a pretty good predictor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Well yes, you said Bills fans who think he's a candidate for the #2 spot are delusional. Wait - "somewhat" delusional.No, no I didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Does anyone know whether or not he is a natural hands catcher?As opposed to what? His mouth? Gotta get a QB in the first three rounds. I like the idea of a trade down from #10 for an extra pick or two. No we don't. Not this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 No, no I didn't. Yes, you didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Small clip of highlights https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XERaT5Fzd7w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 If you considered Woods a #2 WR, again based on the 2014 stats of both players I provided, Holmes can be his replacement. Ideally they find someone better and relegate Holmes to the Justin Hunter role. Listenbee is complete unknown so I think it will have to be a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 In a heavy rushing offense, you don't need a dominant #2 WR. We have two very good receivers in Watkins and Clay at the TE spot. Tyrod needs to do a better job of finding Clay this year and we will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I think the WR signings have been positive. These guys are capable of contributing and bring other things to the table like STs and theyhave useful life left to their careers. I think that if we go Davis or Williams at 10 the Bills have the makings of a very, very good NFL receiving corps. Thing is you might more be planning for the future because of Tyrod. What good is a ferrari without a motor? I think they maybe go S instead if one of the two is still on the board when they pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Goods signing, but still need to draft a WR early...IMO I like what I read about Holmes from this forum. Maybe an upgrade from J Hunter, but I would go WR in either of first two picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 im not sure if its "fans" acting like he is a number 2; i think its more knowing what to expect. Do I think Holmes is a number 2? No. Do i think the bills brought him in to be the number 2? yes, I do I agree. Considering that we are a "run first" team AND the contract they gave this guy, YES the hire was to complete the WR group and let the group find it's own pecking order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I've already given up on the idea that the Bills will have a real #2 this year. At this point I'm just hoping we have two #3s and Sammy actually stays healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 No we don't. Not this draft. While there are no "locks" in this year's draft there are 5-6 prospects worthy of consideration in round 2 or 3. It's obvious the Bills don't really trust Tyrod and they've got to get someone else on the roster to develop besides Cardale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoam Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Someone forgot to tell the Cowboys braintrust in 2016 that with a dominant rushing attack they didn't really need a WR #2, lol jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Maybe this means we are e going cb in rd1. I was sure wed take m. Williams from clemson. If big Wrecks was our HC we would have, but now Whaley can pick from anyplace and take BPA rather than specific positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 After a few righteous dings to the head of a quasi-tinker-toy option QB, he becomes powdered toast. CK has been there for 3 years now. And we will tell you so as long as teams want to win with this. Heck, the Bills had 3 of them at QB in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 From their pickups so far at WR, it seems they're missing a good slot receiver. They need a good 7-11 type guy there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 From their pickups so far at WR, it seems they're missing a good slot receiver. They need a good 7-11 type guy there. They have those on the roster, they need a good slot receiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 No, no I didn't.The poster I was responding to initially said this... I didn't realize you had jumped in. Sorry ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Moulds on my A** Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Only in Buffalo would a career #4 WR be talked of as a #2 WR. Buffalo fans are used to a very low bar. A nice depth signing, bit not a real #2. Certainly not anyway close to an equal replacement for Woods. I agree 100%, I think fans who think signing a guy who caught 16 passes last year, and the year b4, is a candidate to be our starting WR opposite Sammy is somewhat delusional. Its part of that notion that competing AFC playoff teams are playing chess while we are celebrating checkers jc What did he do the year before that? When Cooper and Crabtree weren't in town? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Small clip of highlights I love the nickname the announcer at the end of the clip gave him, "Andre the Giant." I think we should let that stick here in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 They have those on the roster, they need a good slot receiver yes, I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 What did he do the year before that? When Cooper and Crabtree weren't in town? ....don't you have to consider 2014 was Derek Carr's rookie year and Holmes was right there with his starting brethren............ WR Andre Holmes 26 3 13 47 catches for 693 yards, 4 td WR James Jones 30 7 10 73 catches for 666 yards, 6 td TE Mychal Rivera 24 1 10 58 catches for 534 yards, 4 td Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 When was the last time we had a player who did this? Easley? https://twitter.com/gipsysafety/status/843215086520942592 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) As opposed to what? His mouth? you really don't know the difference between a hands catcher and a guy who drops the ball because he tries to catch with his body? Edited March 19, 2017 by 2018 Our Year For Sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 In a heavy rushing offense, you don't need a dominant #2 WR. We have two very good receivers in Watkins and Clay at the TE spot. Tyrod needs to do a better job of finding Clay this year and we will be fine. We have a lot of people complaining that we are not knuckling down and passing when we need to to win big games Having better pass catcher's that can make plays would go a long way to doing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 When was the last time we had a player who did this? Easley? https://twitter.com/gipsysafety/status/843215086520942592 really liking the fact he's a good ST'er...actually I'm really liking that quite a few of the new signings seem to bring something to the ST game...I think this years ST's is going to be a good unit... with all the size Whaley has brought in at WR, could they maybe be thinking of going with a bit smaller WR in the draft?..maybe someone like Ross (5' 11", 188) , Curtis Samuel (5' 11",197) or even Ardarius Stewart (5' 11", 204)...Ross would have to be in the 1st round, Samuel has been mocked in the 2nd and to be honest I haven't seen Stewarts name on any of the mocks Ive seen, so I'm thinking he could be 3rd round but most likely a 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) really liking the fact he's a good ST'er...actually I'm really liking that quite a few of the new signings seem to bring something to the ST game...I think this years ST's is going to be a good unit... with all the size Whaley has brought in at WR, could they maybe be thinking of going with a bit smaller WR in the draft?..maybe someone like Ross (5' 11", 188) , Curtis Samuel (5' 11",197) or even Ardarius Stewart (5' 11", 204)...Ross would have to be in the 1st round, Samuel has been mocked in the 2nd and to be honest I haven't seen Stewarts name on any of the mocks Ive seen, so I'm thinking he could be 3rd round but most likely a 2nd Yes and that would be a good idea if he's a good route runner. I don't think Ross will be the pick because he just had labrum surgery and I think they will want their 1st rd pick ready to roll if it's a WR. Can't see him dropping to the 2nd. The others would be great. Edited March 19, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Yes and that would be a good idea if he's a good route runner. I don't think Ross will be the pick because he just had labrum surgery and I think they will want their 1st rd pick ready to roll.the WRS are gonna fall.they are hurt,or from small schools,or otherwise not worthy of a 1st. I'm guessing Davis to be the first off the board, in the latter parts of the first round. Anything else is looking like a reach. There is ,however, better value in the second. Disclaimer. ...might be McCaffery before any "wr" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Yes and that would be a good idea if he's a good route runner. I don't think Ross will be the pick because he just had labrum surgery and I think they will want their 1st rd pick ready to roll. yea I just threw his name in because he was a smaller WR..I don't think they go Ross at all in the 1st..like many others have said, I would like to see the Bills move down in the draft and maybe add another 3rd + a 4th ( unless they can get 2nd +3rd/4th that is)...right now I see CB and S as biggest needs...S only because I have no idea if Poyer can start...I don't know if they need a LB or not, but I've read a few post that say they still do...to be honest tho, I assumed from the get go that McD might be looking for his Kuekley clone or as close as he can get in the draft anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 yea I just threw his name in because he was a smaller WR..I don't think they go Ross at all in the 1st..like many others have said, I would like to see the Bills move down in the draft and maybe add another 3rd + a 4th ( unless they can get 2nd +3rd/4th that is)...right now I see CB and S as biggest needs...S only because I have no idea if Poyer can start...I don't know if they need a LB or not, but I've read a few post that say they still do...to be honest tho, I assumed from the get go that McD might be looking for his Kuekley clone or as close as he can get in the draft anywayswe NEED WLB.We NEED CB.Everything else is a bonus.At this moment,anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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