cage Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 where was he yesterday? This was when we needed him in "Gronk" mode... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 He's hobbled. Still did a fine job blocking and it would help if Taylor could offer a better pass when he's open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 They were all over him. I was at game and when he went out for routes they had blanket coverage on him. One of the few plays where he was one on one was the O'Leary catch. Other than that it was not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 When you don't throw the middle of the field your TE becomes invisible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 where was he yesterday? This was when we needed him in "Gronk" mode... A. No Sammy Watkins means more attention for Clay by the defense B. Tyrod Taylor can't see/ won't use the middle of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) Maybe Tyrod is annoyed at him for standing up the whole game. Edited September 26, 2016 by jimmy10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Clay did some great blocking yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Wasn't his turn Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I have no complaints with Charles Clay. I think he is a great team first player. He cannot help it if (for whatever reason) we continue to have trouble throwing over the middle/throwing him the ball. I also like the fact that Clay is not a diva. He has no problem doing the dirty work and has not had his agent or anyone else make demands that the Bills throw him the ball X number of times a game whether he is open or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Our offense and qb aren't built to utilize the TE very much. Not sure why. Having a good TE as part of your attack seems like a sensible approach, and we see a handful of other teams where the TE is winning them games, but I've given up on the "we need to get Charles Clay and Sammy involved more" stuff. After yesterday watching us roll a playoff team that has a top defense without half of our normal receivers or starting LT was eye opening. What we need to go is block and tackle well, give Tyrod time, continue to be unpredictable on defense. Powell, Woods, maybe Goodwin and Salas, Oleary-- I don't care anymore. Give TT a pocket and the ability to change plays whenever he sees fit and we will start being favored in these games more often than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 He's been a disappointment since getting here unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 He's been a disappointment since getting here unfortunately. Yep, its very disappointing to see our TE running open so often while his blocking has been a key to our running success since he got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 He can't throw it to himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Clay has a lot to prove to me after 3rd and pu$$y last week. $8M/yr and that guy can't run over a DB for a first down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 WE offered him that huge contract; dunno why it's his fault that he accepted it and we don't use him that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Clay has a lot to prove to me after 3rd and pu$$y last week. $8M/yr and that guy can't run over a DB for a first down. Play stands out in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 They were all over him. I was at game and when he went out for routes they had blanket coverage on him. One of the few plays where he was one on one was the O'Leary catch. Other than that it was not there. And on that one - looked like they completely forgot about o'leary. TT did a nice job on that one, and looked off someone else to find O'leary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 its early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 The criticism is fair. You don't give a guy 8 mill year to be a blocking tight end and be a team player. That is what bums like Dray are for @ 2 mill a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Who needs Clay, Nick O"Leary is the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Who needs Clay, Nick O"Leary is the man. It always amazes me how a player can be so damn good in college and have a marginal roster spot in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 He was wide open over the middle on one play and Tyrod didn't see him and Clay got visibly frustrated. Still the same issue of not seeing the middle of the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Who needs Clay, Nick O"Leary is the man. Did you know he is Jack Nicklaus grandson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re enlightener Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 where was he yesterday? This was when we needed him in "Gronk" mode... he was hiding again in the middle, a place tightwad cant understand or anticipate a throw into, this will never change, get used our high priced marsh mellow tough TE getting under used for the rest of the season. If Orton were still here hed have 8 catches a game for 100+ yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawolv Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Hoping he has his breakout game this week against the cheaters! We will definitely need him and Felton to help block upfront, also praying Glenn is ready to go. 2-2, here we come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 he was hiding again in the middle, a place tightwad cant understand or anticipate a throw into, this will never change, get used our high priced marsh mellow tough TE getting under used for the rest of the season. If Orton were still here hed have 8 catches a game for 100+ yards. my lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 It always amazes me how a player can be so damn good in college and have a marginal roster spot in the NFL. The competition is so unequal in college ball. Especially at a school like FSU where very few players on opposing teams are NFL caliber except when you play the better schools. The big boys play a lot of cupcakes in a season to boost their rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Yep, its very disappointing to see our TE running open so often while his blocking has been a key to our running success since he got here. exactly. he has not been a disappointment at all. He blocked very well. The fact our QB can't see him open is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 he was hiding again in the middle, a place tightwad cant understand or anticipate a throw into, this will never change, get used our high priced marsh mellow tough TE getting under used for the rest of the season. If Orton were still here hed have 8 catches a game for 100+ yards. And no threat at all of a QB with the escapability TT has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Yep, its very disappointing to see our TE running open so often while his blocking has been a key to our running success since he got here. they did not overpay him simply for his blocking skills. Being hobbled? is that having his knee drained weekly that is rumored? if so not a good signing at any price. That is on OBD. That money could have gone to a genuine road grading Grade A RT. Don't know what Clay's problem is or if it is someones elses like the qb. But so far he is putting up Chandler receiving numbers if that. And by any metric not what anyone expected. Maybe Lynn sees this. Roman never did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Did you know he is Jack Nicklaus grandson? I thought it was Tiger Woods grandson, always get them mixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 they did not overpay him simply for his blocking skills. Being hobbled? is that having his knee drained weekly that is rumored? if so not a good signing at any price. That is on OBD. That money could have gone to a genuine road grading Grade A RT. Don't know what Clay's problem is or if it is someones elses like the qb. But so far he is putting up Chandler receiving numbers if that. And by any metric not what anyone expected. Maybe Lynn sees this. Roman never did. You missed the part about him running open all the time. If only he could throw to himself. Yeah, a great blocking TE, instrumental in our league leading running game that gets open all the time is such a waste. And able to do all that while not 100% at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I thought it was Tiger Woods grandson, always get them mixed up. You might be right. I thought i heard a broadcaster say that once before. But I'm probably just confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 The criticism is fair. You don't give a guy 8 mill year to be a blocking tight end and be a team player. That is what bums like Dray are for @ 2 mill a year You're absolutely right- because te likes of Dray would totally force an opposing team to game plan for him... Clay will have his games this year when he's the main guy... And if he's not doing it on the stat sheet, watch the game film.... He's drawing attention and coverage... But I suppose that's not sexy enough for most... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Our offense and qb aren't built to utilize the TE very much. Not sure why. Having a good TE as part of your attack seems like a sensible approach, and we see a handful of other teams where the TE is winning them games, but I've given up on the "we need to get Charles Clay and Sammy involved more" stuff. After yesterday watching us roll a playoff team that has a top defense without half of our normal receivers or starting LT was eye opening. What we need to go is block and tackle well, give Tyrod time, continue to be unpredictable on defense. Powell, Woods, maybe Goodwin and Salas, Oleary-- I don't care anymore. Give TT a pocket and the ability to change plays whenever he sees fit and we will start being favored in these games more often than not. Roman was the tight ends coach at Stanford, where the TE was a big part of their offense. Same thing in SF where he was OC but Vernon Davis wasn't used much in Roman's last season there so there is a precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 You missed the part about him running open all the time. If only he could throw to himself. Yeah, a great blocking TE, instrumental in our league leading running game that gets open all the time is such a waste. And able to do all that while not 100% at that. I kind of took the open all the time comment you made as possible sarcasm. yea, When I focused on him he was open on plays. I don't get it. I expected big numbers from him. in part because of what Roman did in S.F. with his Tight ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Clay helps by drawing attention in the passing game. But if I was an opposing D coordinator, I wouldn't lose sleep over him, because Tyrod can't seem to find him this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I don't know what it is about him, but at 6'3" he reminds me more of a heavy wide receiver than a tight end. He is fast and a willing blocker. Id prefer more of the Jason Witten (6'6), Pete Metzalaars (6'7) type larger frame TE's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Clay helps by drawing attention in the passing game. But if I was an opposing D coordinator, I wouldn't lose sleep over him, because Tyrod can't seem to find him this season. The last bit is a shame because he's flashed some big RAC ability on the sporadic occasion a football finds him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Clay has a lot to prove to me after 3rd and pu$$y last week. $8M/yr and that guy can't run over a DB for a first down. I'd like to see you try to tackle him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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