Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I can't help but think that if we kept Freddy and Matt, we'd be sitting at 7-2 right now, at worst 6-3. EJ and Boobie lost those games. With Freddie in the mix, he is fresh against the Giants and Jags and carries us through plus Matty doesn't make those bonehead EJ mistakes. For all the good Whaley has done, this one is on him. Should never have cut Fred and traded Cassel. If we hired Bruce Arians and got Carson Palmer instead Maroon then we would have already been in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 39 post. Is cassel you uncle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Truth be told, with EJ Manuel the Cowboys would not have lost seven in a row. (disclaimer: this post is NOT an endorsement of EJ Manuel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) YAWN!! Enough of this please. what he said x 100 It's way more ridiculous to think that Fred Jackson would have made a difference against the Giants than it is to think that Cassel wouldn't have lost that game against Jacksonville. Karlos Williams, who is way better than Fred Jackson, played the entire game against the Giants. As bad as Cassel has looked, I don't think he makes three turnovers in succession like that and I think they beat Jacksonville. But I'd rather have Manuel play a game next week if Taylor went down. Either way Whaley was right about both moves and I'm over the Jacksonville game. In fact, Whaley has been a pretty great GM so far. Enough of this, please. No he'd have made 4. ----------------- If you don't want to be called a hater or a troll then this EJ bashing needs to stop. Did Buffalo Bills need to lose to Jacksonville Jaguars to get season on track? Syracuse Post Standard reports: '"I just think we needed that in London," cornerback Stephon Gilmore said. "I think we're refocused now. I think the sky is the limit for this team. We don't want to feel that way again."' Edited November 16, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I can't help but think that if we kept Freddy and Matt, we'd be sitting at 7-2 right now, at worst 6-3. EJ and Boobie lost those games. With Freddie in the mix, he is fresh against the Giants and Jags and carries us through plus Matty doesn't make those bonehead EJ mistakes. For all the good Whaley has done, this one is on him. Should never have cut Fred and traded Cassel. I don't see how anyone can look at Matt Cassel and assert any such thing. I'm on the EJ stinks and hope he never starts another game for buffalo... But that said, I have this simple math What's worse 4 losses and a 75.9 passer rating or 2 losses and a 78.5 passer rating? And Freddie has been such a solid #2 in Seattle, he's averaging 3 touches a game, even with Mashawn in and out of the lineup. The later is washed up and the former always was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 cassel wins the jax game, loses cincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I don't see how anyone can look at Matt Cassel and assert any such thing. I'm on the EJ stinks and hope he never starts another game for buffalo... But that said, I have this simple math What's worse 4 losses and a 75.9 passer rating or 2 losses and a 78.5 passer rating? And Freddie has been such a solid #2 in Seattle, he's averaging 3 touches a game, even with Mashawn in and out of the lineup. The later is washed up and the former always was. Freddie is actually the #3 behind Rawls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 cassel wins the jax game, loses cincy. When did his wife have her baby? Would he even been in London for the week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 It's way more ridiculous to think that Fred Jackson would have made a difference against the Giants than it is to think that Cassel wouldn't have lost that game against Jacksonville. Karlos Williams, who is way better than Fred Jackson, played the entire game against the Giants. As bad as Cassel has looked, I don't think he makes three turnovers in succession like that and I think they beat Jacksonville. But I'd rather have Manuel play a game next week if Taylor went down. Either way Whaley was right about both moves and I'm over the Jacksonville game. In fact, Whaley has been a pretty great GM so far. Enough of this, please. 1. Given how much of a turnover machine Cassel has been this year and the last 4 years or so, I don't think it's very safe to assume he would've taken care of the ball against Jax. 2. EJ played us out of that game, then played us back into it - which, sadly, is just who he is. Cassel is capable of that first part, but not the second part. I'll take the guy who is sometimes terrible and sometimes good over the guy who is sometimes terrible and sometimes just slightly below average. 3. Anyone bemoaning this trade has not been watching the Cowboys since then. It's no coincidence that the Buffalo News writers shut up about Cassel real quick. If he'd done anything worthwhile at all, Gleason and Carucci would be writing "Cassel>>>>>>>>>>>>>EJ" articles every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 EJ played terribly for a few minutes against Jax, then was pretty average the rest of the game. He doesn't normally **** the bed like that, so lets not act like if you play Jax 20 times, he does that exact thing 20 times. Likely he does it once, and that's what we saw. We were also in position to win that game at the end, but the defense went soft. Does Cassel make enough plays to get the offense to score? Probably not, and we likely still lose that game. As far as FredEx vs Karlos? Karlos is much better right now, and for all we know FredEx gets injured and misses time as well, he is older after all... even though I love me some FredEX. The moves were solid, even if the results haven't been fantastic. We kept the better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 What did I just read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) Freddie is actually the #3 behind Rawls? Exactly my point. He's a situational player everywhere, not a workhorse. I guess the sarcasm did not come through. Edited November 16, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 "Simple" is for simpletons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 "Simple" is for simpletons. Simply put... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 If you divide 7 by 2, what do you get? Fred's touches per game and Cassel's fantasy score vs tampabay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 If you divide 7 by 2, what do you get? $Texas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Karlos is on fire. I'll always be a diehard fan of Fred, but the youth is putting up the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) EJ played terribly for a few minutes against Jax, then was pretty average the rest of the game. He doesn't normally **** the bed like that, so lets not act like if you play Jax 20 times, he does that exact thing 20 times. Likely he does it once, and that's what we saw. We were also in position to win that game at the end, but the defense went soft. Does Cassel make enough plays to get the offense to score? Probably not, and we likely still lose that game. - You and I (along with a few others) know that, but the people that love get a for reactions from "EJ fans" are trolling. TT loses - the excuse - the Bills have INJURIES EJ loses - the excuse - EJ is horrible and the Bills INJURIES don't matter Edited November 16, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 - You and I (along with a few others) know that, but the people that love get a for reactions from "EJ fans" are trolling. TT loses - the excuse - the Bills have INJURIES EJ loses - the excuse - EJ is horrible and the Bills INJURIES don't matter TT has only lost twice. In seven games. Manuel has also lost twice. In two games. There is no bias against EJ Manuel. EJ Manuel is what he is. He is not a starting caliber QB in this league. Everyone knows it. Taylor appears to be. Everyone thinks that. As far as the Jacksonville game is concerned, I think most people would agree with me that all you had to do was not make epic, sinking of the Titanic mistakes to come away with a victory. McCoy was running very well. Jacksonville didn't even play a good game for Jacksonville! Bortles played his worst game of the season. Did Manuel play well in the second half? Yes. Did he play better than Cassel would have if down by 24 points? Yes. Would Cassel have put us in a 24 point hole? No, I don't think so. Either way, I think we'd both agree that the Bills undoubtedly win that game with Taylor. And I stated very clearly that I am over the Jacksonville game, I do not regret getting rid of Cassel (nor did I at the time) and I am fine with Manuel as our backup as opposed to Cassel. Nothing I just said could possibly be deemed unreasonable in any rational football universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Personally, I say we have atleast one more win with Donald Jones back, even if it was just in Sammy and/or Percy Harvin's abcence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Cassel has looked like he shouldn't be playing. I live in texas and one Cowboy fan put it in perspective: "I am so envious right now that the Eagles have Sanchez as their backup" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Cassel stinks but EJ is other worldly bad and single handedly cost us the Jags game. We would have won with Cassel. Heck, we would have won with Jeff Tuel! We probably would have won with Rex at QB handing it off every play. That game is going to haunt us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 You sir.... are an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Here's Fred's stats for the season with the Seahawks: http://www.nfl.com/player/fredjackson/2506871/gamelogs 11 rushes for 54 yards, 0 TD's; 16 rec 152 yards and 1 TD. Here's Matt Cassel's stats for the season with the Cowboys: http://www.nfl.com/player/mattcassel/2506562/gamelogs As others have said, these guys look like they're on their last leg in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Cassel stinks but EJ is other worldly bad and single handedly cost us the Jags game. We would have won with Cassel. Heck, we would have won with Jeff Tuel! We probably would have won with Rex at QB handing it off every play. That game is going to haunt us While I agree that EJ has been terrible, you can't know that Cassel wouldn't have been far worse in that Jags game. He has been AWFUL behind a good OLine as a Cowboy. Say he only give up 1 TDs vs the Jags, he very likely couldn't have dug himself out of that hole. SIX POINTS against the freaking BUCS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 This is seriously the most idiotic thread. I bet this guy also used to think that EJ should have been the starter going into the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Here's Fred's stats for the season with the Seahawks: http://www.nfl.com/player/fredjackson/2506871/gamelogs 11 rushes for 54 yards, 0 TD's; 16 rec 152 yards and 1 TD. Here's Matt Cassel's stats for the season with the Cowboys: http://www.nfl.com/player/mattcassel/2506562/gamelogs As others have said, these guys look like they're on their last leg in the NFL. I think the Seahawks are purposely keeping Fred's leg fresh for their playoff run this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 As others have said, these guys look like they're on their last leg in the NFL. I think the Seahawks are purposely keeping Fred's leg fresh for their playoff run this year. Intentional or otherwise, this is some pretty funny stojan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 Sorry but what part of FRED is better than BOOBIE are you not understanding. I never said take Fred over Karlos. I said it would have been better not to cut him. I think Fred as a #3 would have had fresh legs when Karlos AND Shady went down and we would not have had Boobie wreck the Giants game. I think a fresh Freddie runs for 80-100 yds and picks up a TD or 2. I also think Fred is a great locker room presence and helps keep the young guys focused. Boobie was a drive killer and EJ could not sustain either. I think a cooler level headed offense with Fred filling in and Cassel playing conservative would have yielded at least 1 more win WITHOUT sacrificing the future or messing with the cap. I think it was a bad front office decision and I stand by it. We are 5-4 but could be in a much better playoff position, maybe even close enough to take the AFC East with a strong late run and the Pats hurting. Now it's wild card time but as long as we stay healthy, we may be able to make a run. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Cassel stinks but EJ is other worldly bad and single handedly cost us the Jags game. We would have won with Cassel. Heck, we would have won with Jeff Tuel! We probably would have won with Rex at QB handing it off every play. That game is going to haunt us "Other worldly bad?" No he's not. Bruce Mathison was otherworldly bad. Todd Blackledge was otherworldy bad. Heath Shuler was otherworldly bad. Akili Smith was beyond otherworldly bad. EJ simply isn't good. Get a sense of perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 The bottom line is EJ should be cut after the season and if Whaley does not want to do it then Pegula needs to fire him. We should draft 2 QB'S and let them groom while Taylor starts. This franchise has sucked for years because of the most important position on the field. EJ is garbage and is just good at talking a good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Grid Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I can't help but think that if we kept Freddy and Matt, we'd be sitting at 7-2 right now, at worst 6-3. EJ and Boobie lost those games. With Freddie in the mix, he is fresh against the Giants and Jags and carries us through plus Matty doesn't make those bonehead EJ mistakes. For all the good Whaley has done, this one is on him. Should never have cut Fred and traded Cassel. You must not have seen Cassel play football this year. If you had this statement would be seen as insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Is EJ still on the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I think the Seahawks are purposely keeping Fred's leg fresh for their playoff run this year. Actually they aren't b.c Fred got injured yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 The bottom line is EJ should be cut after the season and if Whaley does not want to do it then Pegula needs to fire him. We should draft 2 QB'S and let them groom while Taylor starts. This franchise has sucked for years because of the most important position on the field. EJ is garbage and is just good at talking a good game. Cool story bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 If Cassell is traveling on a train to Dallas at 75 MPH, and Jackson is on a train to Seattle at 80 MPH, How long, in minutes and seconds, will it take for the fanbase to call for the GMs head? Show your work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 5? I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Cassel is 0-4 and played horrible. But but but what about the freddy led seahawks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 But but but what about the freddy led seahawks Could you imagine if the Seahawks had Cassel too? 19-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 You sir.... are an idiot on this point? 3rded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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