BADOLBILZ Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 With the depth and scheme we have this guy is becoming expendable. He's already showing frustration about not getting the ball enough. He's not the red zone threat we need. Imo we don't miss a beat without him. Packers or Panthers oth may feel with their elite QBs be could he a #1 WR. If either one offers a first I'm on it. Also willing to listen to other packages. Thoughts? I was kinda hoping maybe Mike Evans would have a falling out of some sort in Tampa this summer and the Bills could send them Bob and a pick for him. What the Bills really lack is that huge target at WR. Woods would be very productive with a very accurate QB and in late season weather where his smaller catch radius isn't a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Woods is better than a lot of posters think. Trading him would be a big mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Are you serious? Go back and watch 2014 season. Woods is a complete baller. The guy catches footballs behind his head. See Jets at Buffalo in Detroit. No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Just no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Are you serious? Go back and watch 2014 season. Woods is a complete baller. The guy catches footballs behind his head. See Jets at Buffalo in Detroit. No way. no matter what you think of him, you really think he reaches that potential here? with our scheme, QB play, other receiving targets needing the ball? imo perfect guy to trade to a WR-needy team with an elite QB. Sell him as another Antonio Browne .... not particularly big or fast, but a disciplined route runner with good feet and sure hands, that an elite QB can rely on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Woods makes your team better right now. Not every draft pick works out. So why would you want to risk trading a great player who makes your team better for a chance at maybe finding another quality player. There is a really good chance that they guy you draft with whatever pick you got for him won't end up being as valuable to this team as Woods is. Therefore trading him = stupid. It's just a really bad idea. You make trades to acquire players like him, not to get rid of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Woods makes your team better right now. Not every draft pick works out. So why would you want to risk trading a great player who makes your team better for a chance at maybe finding another quality player. There is a really good chance that they guy you draft with whatever pick you got for him won't end up being as valuable to this team as Woods is. Therefore trading him = stupid. It's just a really bad idea. You make trades to acquire players like him, not to get rid of them. your best franchises start moving guys out when their value is highest, and their expected contribution has flat lined. again you really think in this offense, with these QBs, with our WR targets needing the ball .. he does any better than last year's 700 yards? that kind of production can be had by a lot of WRs, and is not worth foregoing a #1 draft pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Do I think he will reach his potential here? Yes.There are plenty of balls to go around plus he's good on ST. I don't care about big and fast. You want to see a lot of big and fast? Look on the sidelines in the NFL for second and third team players. Means nothing. Woods is a player. Woods stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Thoughts? 16 pages are NOT enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Whenever I feel the need for attention, I stand in front of the mirror and look deep into my eyes and say: "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 your best franchises start moving guys out when their value is highest, and their expected contribution has flat lined. again you really think in this offense, with these QBs, with our WR targets needing the ball .. he does any better than last year's 700 yards? that kind of production can be had by a lot of WRs, and is not worth foregoing a #1 draft pick It seems like you are sort of grouping Woods into a category of "receivers who are a dime a dozen". I think he is much better than an average receiver. He catches balls at times that most other receivers would not catch. I suppose if you don't think he is very good, then I can see your logic and it makes sense. I just think he is better than that. I think he proved it at key times during the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 With the depth and scheme we have this guy is becoming expendable. He's already showing frustration about not getting the ball enough. He's not the red zone threat we need. Imo we don't miss a beat without him. Packers or Panthers oth may feel with their elite QBs be could he a #1 WR. If either one offers a first I'm on it. Also willing to listen to other packages. Thoughts? I may have missed it, but when has he shown frustration about not getting the ball enough? Also... don't forget that when the Eagles approached Buffalo about the McCoy trade, they first wanted Woods and we said "No way. How about Kiko?" Woods isn't going anywhere, because it would be idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I'd let him go for a first. We have cap issues coming up so guys are going to need to be traded for cheaper draft picks. Plus we need some picks if we want to move up for a qb. Guys are gonna have to go so a smart way of asset management is to trade them and replace them with picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billshank Redemption Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I'll second that. Please change the title. Ill third this. I will also add that this is utter lunacy. Woods is one of the, if not the most underrated player on the team. Him not getting the ball all to often is no bad reflection on him its on the QB's and scheme. He has excellent hands and to whoever said he wasn't tough (seemed sarcastic but either way) thats fairly laughable. The dude is a stud and provides stability when we have 2 incredibly talented (but injury prone) guys playing with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 He had 700 yards in our crappy offense last year. With cam or Aaron I think the expectation can bump that to 1,000+ this year. He's not getting that this year in our run first scheme, and with guys like Watkins, Clay and others needing the ball when we do throw it. This forms the basis for a mutually beneficial trade. Why do we need to trade him away when we can use him ourselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I'd let him go for a first. We have cap issues coming up so guys are going to need to be traded for cheaper draft picks. Plus we need some picks if we want to move up for a qb. Guys are gonna have to go so a smart way of asset management is to trade them and replace them with picks. Absolutely where I am at with this. We won't get a first though and I am not taking anything less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Lol. Great idea. Shhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norton20 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Misleading thread title. opinion stated as fact! NO soup for you! hardly worth commenting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 So the OP assumes Woods is unhappy about getting the ball, he's in his third season and we should trade him because his value is high? Pass. Newsflash, the GM's of teams that would want him won't pass on him because his numbers are down in a run first offense. They would recognize that and scout him for his route running, hands etc, not his numbers only. So your assumptions aren't well thought out. You don't trade him just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 He's on a rookie 2nd rounder contract. He's a steal relative to his production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Every day I read ridiculous stuff on this site- todays no different. Woods isnt going anywhere and im not even wasting my time educating the OP. Please make the bafoonery stop no matter what you think of him, you really think he reaches that potential here? with our scheme, QB play, other receiving targets needing the ball? imo perfect guy to trade to a WR-needy team with an elite QB. Sell him as another Antonio Browne .... not particularly big or fast, but a disciplined route runner with good feet and sure hands, that an elite QB can rely on Ah yes, lets get in the biz of making other teams better! And who do we get in return? Cmon man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 your best franchises start moving guys out when their value is highest, and their expected contribution has flat lined. again you really think in this offense, with these QBs, with our WR targets needing the ball .. he does any better than last year's 700 yards? that kind of production can be had by a lot of WRs, and is not worth foregoing a #1 draft pick Your best franchises succeed by having cheap, productive talent. Not by trading them for below market value. We'd never get a first and almost certainly not even a second. So at this point you're selling a young, proven talent for a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 your best franchises start moving guys out when their value is highest, and their expected contribution has flat lined. again you really think in this offense, with these QBs, with our WR targets needing the ball .. he does any better than last year's 700 yards? that kind of production can be had by a lot of WRs, and is not worth foregoing a #1 draft pickActually I do and our QBs deserve targets that can catch. I dont think our QB situation is as dire as others believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Every day I read ridiculous stuff on this site- todays no different. Woods isnt going anywhere and im not even wasting my time educating the OP. Please make the bafoonery stop Ah yes, lets get in the biz of making other teams better! And who do we get in return? Cmon man What did you say after Kiko was traded? I'm sure you would have called people morons for suggesting he get moved. Do you think moves are never made? Harvin was dealt for nothign after the Seahawks gave up a first round pick Did you think Jimmy Graham was going to get traded? Who thought Suh would not get tagged. Let people have some fun and ponder some ideas. One team's problem could be another team's opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 What did you say after Kiko was traded? I'm sure you would have called people morons for suggesting he get moved. Do you think moves are never made? Harvin was dealt for nothign after the Seahawks gave up a first round pick Did you think Jimmy Graham was going to get traded? Who thought Suh would not get tagged. Let people have some fun and ponder some ideas. One team's problem could be another team's opportunity. oh im sorry are we getting a 2-time all pro at a position of major need in return for woods like we did for Kiko? If so then sure, it's plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 He's on a rookie 2nd rounder contract. He's a steal relative to his production. Why muddy this conversation with reality and common sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 What did you say after Kiko was traded? I'm sure you would have called people morons for suggesting he get moved. Do you think moves are never made? Harvin was dealt for nothign after the Seahawks gave up a first round pick Did you think Jimmy Graham was going to get traded? Who thought Suh would not get tagged. Let people have some fun and ponder some ideas. One team's problem could be another team's opportunity. I am all for some fun. But some ideas are just plain silly. I never worried about the kiko trade. Moves that make sense are made and this one makes zero sense. Woods can ball and is cost effective. Kiko was coming off a major injury and we needed a top flight back. Apples and Oranges my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 With the depth and scheme we have this guy is becoming expendable. He's already showing frustration about not getting the ball enough. He's not the red zone threat we need. Imo we don't miss a beat without him. Packers or Panthers oth may feel with their elite QBs be could he a #1 WR. If either one offers a first I'm on it. Also willing to listen to other packages. Thoughts? for Aaron Rodgers of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Come on man?!? Think again because this is ridiculous. You are being too kind. This comment is really nonsense and should be deleted to save the poster from merciless ridicule and embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 really? i sort of see him being phased out, not deliberately, but just how things are shaping up. By all accounts he's getting frustrated about it too. I also think that in his mind he wants to be thought of as the #1. In this run first scheme, and with other guys needing the ball when they do throw, I see him getting around 600 yards this year ... somewhere between his 1st and 2nd seasons. Thats respectable but i want more of out of #2, and it's certainly not worth forgoing a 1st round pick if offered You've said this more than once in this thread so I know it must be true, but, I've been so busy I missed this bit of news. Can someone provide a link. Your best franchises succeed by having cheap, productive talent. Not by trading them for below market value. We'd never get a first and almost certainly not even a second. So at this point you're selling a young, proven talent for a loss. Perhaps it would behoove JTSP to take a look at the GB roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 oh im sorry are we getting a 2-time all pro at a position of major need in return for woods like we did for Kiko? If so then sure, it's plausible. Boom! End this "fun" thread with this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 You are being too kind. This comment is really nonsense and should be deleted to save the poster from merciless ridicule and embarrassment. Where were you when I wanted Skelton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 You've said this more than once in this thread so I know it must be true, but, I've been so busy I missed this bit of news. Can someone provide a link. I thouhnt that's what the fighting was about in camp. His frustration boiling over that he wasn't getting the ball enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 The only reason I'd consider trading him is because it's probably going to be difficult to sign him when his contract is due - so I wouldn't consider it until after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norton20 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 He is one fo Whaley's favorite players. I do not see this happening under any logical scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) He is one fo Whaley's favorite players. I do not see this happening under any logical scenario here I thought if Woods was the player they thought on draft day, they wouldnt have to pay up so much to draft watkins the very next year Edited August 24, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 here I thought if Woods was the player they thought on draft day, they wouldnt have to pay up so much to draft watkins the very next yearwatkins was drafted to replace Stevie. The "#1 WR." Woods was not really expected to come in and be the #1 guy at any point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 here I thought if Woods was the player they thought on draft day, they wouldnt have to pay up so much to draft watkins the very next year Woods was always thought of as a solid #2 WR. He's thought to be a top-notch possession guy. Watkins is the game breaker, #1 guy. They complement one another. Woods is exactly the player the Bills thought he was on draft day. That's why teams that are hurting won't offer much in a trade. Green Bay and Carolina are only interested in #1 WRs, as they are stocked with #2 guys. The Bills are in win-now mode. While it's nice to stock-pile #1 picks, dumping Woods is only going to hurt their chances to make the playoffs this year. Harvin can't run the route tree like Woods and the rookies will be too green to be as consistent as Woods. So if by some miracle some desperate team offers the Bills a #1 pick, it only hurts their chances to make the playoffs this year, which makes it even more unlikely that they would make this trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Let's see - great route runner, always gets open, has magnets for hands, fierce competitor - yeah, he's not the kind of guy we want to keep around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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