3rdnlng Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I will certainly stop tipping in DC. Between this, the 10% DC tax on meals and the oft-applied 18% gratuity on meals, this is about a 50% hike on restaurant prices. 50% hike on meals? That's quite a round up. Regardless, a gratuity is a tip. Did you take a dose of gator this morning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: That's kind of the norm for most restaurants I've been to. I hate the policy. To me, a tip is to reward great service. I would argue that if you are going to have a minimum wage, companies allowed to consider tips as part of an employee's minimum wage is crap. Pay them minimum wage, and let's do away with tipping. And this comes from a guy who grew up from his pre-teens, and straight through college, waiting tables and tending bar. One of the things that made Uber so successful at first was not so much that they were cheaper than cabs, but that you could get in, get somewhere, and get out, and not be expected to anything other than get out of the car when you were done. Eliminating tips was a huge draw. So if restaurants are going to have to pay their service staff $15/hour, tell customers to stop tipping. Let's see how that flies for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, LABillzFan said: I would argue that if you are going to have a minimum wage, companies allowed to consider tips as part of an employee's minimum wage is crap. Pay them minimum wage, and let's do away with tipping. And this comes from a guy who grew up from his pre-teens, and straight through college, waiting tables and tending bar. One of the things that made Uber so successful at first was not so much that they were cheaper than cabs, but that you could get in, get somewhere, and get out, and not be expected to anything other than get out of the car when you were done. Eliminating tips was a huge draw. So if restaurants are going to have to pay their service staff $15/hour, tell customers to stop tipping. Let's see how that flies for a while. There goes the service at a good restaurant. Good service people at nice places make a lot more than $15 an hour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: There goes the service at a good restaurant. Good service people at nice places make a lot more than $15 an hour. Exactly. Five star dining goes right out the window under this model. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: There goes the service at a good restaurant. Good service people at nice places make a lot more than $15 an hour. The only thing worse than mandatory tipping is a server who expects a tip no matter how ****ty the service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: There goes the service at a good restaurant. Good service people at nice places make a lot more than $15 an hour. Yes and no. Restaurants can now compete for the better servers by paying above the minimum wage. Just like most every other business. If the restaurant can't afford to keep up with those salaries, then the market will ultimately correct them. Maybe they go out of business. Maybe, like most companies, they find ways to trim fat or have owners take home less. Again, this is all predicated on the concept that "If you're going to have a minimum wage..." Alternately, let's do away with minimum wage and see what happens. Edited June 20, 2018 by LABillzFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, LABillzFan said: Yes and no. Restaurants can now compete for the better servers by paying above the minimum wage. Just like most every other business. If the restaurant can't afford to keep up with those salaries, then the market will ultimately correct them. Maybe they go out of business. Maybe, like most companies, they find ways to trim fat or have owners take home less. Again, this is all predicated on the concept that "If you're going to have a minimum wage..." Alternately, let's do away with minimum wage and see what happens. I don't think you understand the business model restaurant owners are constrained by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Exactly. Five star dining goes right out the window under this model. I don't know if that's true. The wealthy will always pay whatever they want to get a great meal at a great restaurant, and never think twice about the bill. You lose the middle-class wage earner as a regular customer, but the wealthy will always pay whatever they can to get what they want. 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I don't think you understand the business model restaurant owners are constrained by. I do, believe it or not. I'm just saying that if you are going to have a minimum wage, giving people a loop hole of "Well, they earn tips, so we are exempt from that" is something that should be corrected. Especially if you're going to be forced to pay them $15/hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) I'm an advocate for raising the minimum wage for servers - it's currently at around $2.08/hour, and they usually are saddled with at least two hours of side work & cleaning every shift where they earn the same rate. Most places require servers to tip the bussers, the bartenders, and hosts. Paying servers and bartenders a flat $15.00/hour minimum wage is a bad idea. Tips provide the incentive for servers to provide superior service; promptness, anticipation of the customers' needs, table maintenance, suggestive selling and more will become rare to the point where it could go away altogether. I believe an hourly boost from $2.08 to approximately 50% of whatever the national minimum wage is at the time would be fair. It would help balance the inequity in pay for non-service work (side work, etc) and still be low enough to provide incentive for the servers to be attentive. Restaurant owners should also be made to stop forcing servers to pay tips to their bussers and hosts, but they should still be made to tip out their bartenders, who are tipped employees as well. Edited June 20, 2018 by Azalin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Went into a local McDonald's this week. 2 kiosks for ordering are now installed in that location. Might be old news but I'm not in McDonalds very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 hours ago, keepthefaith said: Went into a local McDonald's this week. 2 kiosks for ordering are now installed in that location. Might be old news but I'm not in McDonalds very often. They're all over the place out here. Everywhere. Have been for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: They're all over the place out here. Everywhere. Have been for quite a while. Saw them in a McD in Saskatchewan. only a matter of time...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 If you're going to get rid of tipping, then implement a way to call a server to the table like they do in Asia/Europe, because you well NEVER see the waiter again after he takes your order. 15 hours ago, keepthefaith said: Went into a local McDonald's this week. 2 kiosks for ordering are now installed in that location. Might be old news but I'm not in McDonalds very often. I can't wait for these to be everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 On 6/21/2018 at 12:01 PM, unbillievable said: I can't wait for these to be everywhere. I would love for someone to slap a "Fight for 15" sticker on those kiosks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 8:25 PM, keepthefaith said: Went into a local McDonald's this week. 2 kiosks for ordering are now installed in that location. Might be old news but I'm not in McDonalds very often. Just realized that my link in post #2 of this thread is broken, so I fixed it. It was this: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just now, GG said: Just realized that my link in post #2 of this thread is broken, so I fixed it. It was this: Just connected on a flight out of SeaTac airport, and this was how you ordered your food in the N concourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 23 hours ago, GG said: Just realized that my link in post #2 of this thread is broken, so I fixed it. It was this: The Colonel has been replaced by The Kernel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 The complete burger making robot is here.... http://www.wsj.com/video/this-burger-bot-makes-your-lunch-with-no-human-help/59F0787F-D9FF-4787-A51B-5CCD5F91D7F5.html On 6/20/2018 at 8:25 PM, keepthefaith said: Went into a local McDonald's this week. 2 kiosks for ordering are now installed in that location. Might be old news but I'm not in McDonalds very often. McD's is rolling them out all over the US. Most stores I've been at, the managers encourage the employees to show/help the customers how to use them, instead of taking orders at the counter. But if you want to pay cash, the kiosk only do credit cards. So you can place your order at the kiosk, take your receipt to the counter to pay cash. And if you order a Quarter Pounder and hear a cowbell in the kitchen, that's the signal for them to get your burger cooking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 Oh no! What will we ever do?? Phony hysterics over the minimum wage rate could end if most employers did this. “Amazon to Raise Its Minimum U.S. Wage to $15 an Hour. . . . The new minimum wage will kick in Nov. 1, covering more than 250,000 current employees and 100,000 seasonal holiday employees. The company said it also will start lobbying Congress for an increase in the federal minimum wage, which was set nearly a decade ago and is currently $7.25 an hour.” (Amazon founder and chief executive Jeffrey P. Bezos owns The Post.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Bezos time is running out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Oh. Now you're fighting for 15. Would've been helpful two years ago. You should be thanking Bernie Sanders for forcing his hand. Not Jeff fricken Bezos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 No more cashiers at the Home Depot it’s self checkout or GFY. Hate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) My son works for Amazon. I would like to thank Senator Sanders for personally getting him a raise. 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Oh. Now you're fighting for 15. Would've been helpful two years ago. You should be thanking Bernie Sanders for forcing his hand. Not Jeff fricken Bezos. That's why she lost. Didn't see the trends in time. Edited October 4, 2018 by Wagon Circler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: No more cashiers at the Home Depot it’s self checkout or GFY. Hate it You're in the hoity toity Virginia Beach area, what did you expect? 31 minutes ago, Wagon Circler said: My son works for Amazon. I would like to thank Senator Sanders for personally getting him a raise. That's why she lost. Didn't see the trends in time. Lol @ $15/hr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 51 minutes ago, Wagon Circler said: My son works for Amazon. I would like to thank Senator Sanders for personally getting him a raise. That's why she lost. Didn't see the trends in time. Keep thinking that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Now they are pissed off because they are losing their bonuses and stock options. Perfect example of nothing is for free. I’d take the options if given the choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: No more cashiers at the Home Depot it’s self checkout or GFY. Hate it I ALWAYS use self checkout at HD. My god — I despise the small talk the cashiers try to do. And they’re always soooo slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Oh. Now you're fighting for 15. Would've been helpful two years ago. You should be thanking Bernie Sanders for forcing his hand. Not Jeff fricken Bezos. She doesn't have to court donors any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 On 10/3/2018 at 9:54 AM, Tiberius said: Oh no! What will we ever do?? Phony hysterics over the minimum wage rate could end if most employers did this. “Amazon to Raise Its Minimum U.S. Wage to $15 an Hour. . . . The new minimum wage will kick in Nov. 1, covering more than 250,000 current employees and 100,000 seasonal holiday employees. The company said it also will start lobbying Congress for an increase in the federal minimum wage, which was set nearly a decade ago and is currently $7.25 an hour.” (Amazon founder and chief executive Jeffrey P. Bezos owns The Post.) see below 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Now they are pissed off because they are losing their bonuses and stock options. Perfect example of nothing is for free. I’d take the options if given the choice. lol! it is actually a negative and Bezos is lining his pockets even more. thanks libs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 They raise their salaries without government regulation or coercion. Isn't that the way it is supposed to work ? I hope those celebrating will stop pushing for more harmful laws then. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/03/amazon-hourly-workers-lose-monthly-bonuses-stock-awards.html Hope the $15 is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: They raise their salaries without government regulation or coercion. Isn't that the way it is supposed to work ? I hope those celebrating will stop pushing for more harmful laws then. ? What Bezos did was eliminate stock options and bonuses to pay for it. His employees get less now. And liberals are celebrating this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I'm not sure I support a $15 minimum wage. What Amazon did is a bit different because even their entry level employees work significantly harder than say a walmart cashier. But, to me, the great fight of the next 20 years will be income inequality. And in my opinion, the BEST thing conservatives can do is participate in leveling things a bit. My reason is that I fear by not doing something, a groundswell of public support will erupt for "democratic" socialists, and then a manageable situation goes to complete socialist chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 4, 2018 Author Share Posted October 4, 2018 49 minutes ago, Foxx said: see below lol! it is actually a negative and Bezos is lining his pockets even more. thanks libs! Oh, I was basically responding to the yahoots that were screaming disaster if $15 minimum wage happened. Didn't you hear, Seattle is an economic dead zone or something, lol https://www.seattletimes.com/explore/careers/job-outlook-2018-seattle-in-an-all-out-war-for-talent/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Now they are pissed off because they are losing their bonuses and stock options. Perfect example of nothing is for free. I’d take the options if given the choice. Be careful what you ask for, as you will surely get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, The_Dude said: I'm not sure I support a $15 minimum wage. What Amazon did is a bit different because even their entry level employees work significantly harder than say a walmart cashier. But, to me, the great fight of the next 20 years will be income inequality. And in my opinion, the BEST thing conservatives can do is participate in leveling things a bit. My reason is that I fear by not doing something, a groundswell of public support will erupt for "democratic" socialists, and then a manageable situation goes to complete socialist chaos. No. People given handouts don't just stop asking for handouts. They not only want more, they expect more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: No. People given handouts don't just stop asking for handouts. They not only want more, they expect more. Im not advocating a handout. Raising the minimum wage isn’t a handout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 16 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh, I was basically responding to the yahoots that were screaming disaster if $15 minimum wage happened. Didn't you hear, Seattle is an economic dead zone or something, lol https://www.seattletimes.com/explore/careers/job-outlook-2018-seattle-in-an-all-out-war-for-talent/ Wow, Tibs misrepresenting an article he didn't read. Color me shocked. Quote According to Warborg, while the bulk of the demand is for degreed professionals, a labor shortage stretches throughout the entire job market, including roles that don’t typically require a college degree. ESD data indicate industries with the largest increases of jobs statewide this year will be in professional and business services and in construction, with the largest contraction of jobs in the manufacturing sector. So tell us all, dipschiff, which of these in-demand jobs are paid minimum wage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 4, 2018 Author Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Koko78 said: Wow, Tibs misrepresenting an article he didn't read. Color me shocked. So tell us all, dipschiff, which of these in-demand jobs are paid minimum wage? Oh, you want to throw around insults? That's sad, but at least I feel justified in pointing out how stupid you are. Did you mis the part about the job shortage stretching throughout the entire job market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh, you want to throw around insults? That's sad, but at least I feel justified in pointing out how stupid you are. Did you mis the part about the job shortage stretching throughout the entire job market? Did you miss the part where they were talking about the entire state - and about professional jobs, not minimum wage jobs in the city of Seattle? Oh who am I kidding? Of course you did. Reading isn't your thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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