IDBillzFan Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 We? How do you know "we" assumed anything? Have you discussed this with other posters or something? You're adamant that making a significant increase in your company's payroll equals greater demand for a company's product, so it would serve to reason you would only make that statement if you did it yourself. I mean, what kind of moron would make that claim...would literally tell business owners to spend their own money to pay employees more money as a way to increase demand for their product...if they hadn't done it themselves? Surely you wouldn't be that moron, would you? Surely you have proof by taking your own money out of your own pocket and giving it to your employees before you randomly suggest that every other employer do this. Right? I mean, RIGHT? No? You don't have a business? You don't have to make payroll all the time? You're just telling people to do this while living in your mother's basement? Huh. Who'd have figured that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 You're adamant that making a significant increase in your company's payroll equals greater demand for a company's product, so it would serve to reason you would only make that statement if you did it yourself. I mean, what kind of moron would make that claim...would literally tell business owners to spend their own money to pay employees more money as a way to increase demand for their product...if they hadn't done it themselves? Surely you wouldn't be that moron, would you? Surely you have proof by taking your own money out of your own pocket and giving it to your employees before you randomly suggest that every other employer do this. Right? I mean, RIGHT? No? You don't have a business? You don't have to make payroll all the time? You're just telling people to do this while living in your mother's basement? Huh. Who'd have figured that? I am supporting a policy that will tell others what to do, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I am supporting a policy that will tell others what to do WITH THEIR MONEY, yes. Fixed that for you. It's always amusing when the basement dwellers like you think they know what's best for a small business. It's particularly amusing when you want to force companies to spend more of their own money on one of your embarrassingly ridiculous Krugman-level-stupid concepts like "increasing your payroll increases demand for your product." But hey...why would we expect anything more from a guy who is hopelessly devoted to a corrupt money-launderer with a history of full-throated support for the sexual abuse of young women by powerful politicians. You and Hillary will be made for each other. Carry on, basement dweller. It's almost time for you to remind mommy you like the crust cut off your PBJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I am supporting a policy that will tell others what to do, yes. Tell us about the small business you run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 1) Jury is still out, but higher than it is now 2) Yes, but on the low end so individual states can set higher ones. I mean a great and rich state like California is going to have a higher one than poor Mississippi 3) To set a bottom Great ideas. So you agree with this simplicity? CALIFORNIA $10.00 BERKELEY rate: $11, Oct.1 2016: $12.53 EMERYVILLE: * Employers with or less than 55 employees: $12.25; July 1, 2016: $13; July 1, 2017: $14; July 1, 2018: $15, July 1 2019: $16; July 1, 2020: $16.42. * Employers with or more than 56 employees: $14.44; July 1, 2016: $14.82; July 1, 2017: $15.20; July 1, 2018: $15.60; July 1, 2019: $16; July 1, 2020: $16.42. JACKSON RANCHERIA: $10.60 LA International Airport hotels rate: $10.64 Los Angeles City and County: July 1, 2016: $10.50, July 1, 2017: $12; July 1, 2018: $13.25; July 1, 2019: $14.25; July 1, 2020: $15.00 Increases at businesses with 25 or fewer employees and some non profits would be delayed by on year. Once the wage reaches $15 per hour for both small and large employers, the ordinance calls for the minimum wage in 2022 to continue increasing based on the cost of living. LONG BEACH rate for hotel workers with more than 100 rooms: $13.00 and 5 sick days - for others: Jan. 1 2017: $10.50, Jan. 1 2018: $12, Jan. 1 2019: $13. MOUNTAIN VIEW: $11.00, Jan.1: 2017: $13.00, Jan.1, 2018: $15.00 OAKLAND: $12.25 - after that increases based on cost of living increases. Pasadena: July 1, 2016: $10.50; July 1, 2018: $13.25 RICHMOND: $11.52; Jan.1 2017: $12.30; Jan.1 2018: $13; Jan.1 2019: $13 Sacramento City - $10.50 by 2017 - $11 by 2018 - $11.75 by 2019 - $12.50 by 2020 SAN DIEGO: $10.50, 1/1 2017: $11.50 SAN FRANCISCO rate: $12.25, to $13 by July 2016, to $14 by July 2017 and to $15 by July 2018 - exempt are under 18 year olds in government subsidized training programs or over 55 year olds at some government-subsidized nonprofits. Contractors San Francisco City and county for contracts entered into or amended on or after Oct. 14, 2007: 1/1/15 For-Profit rate: $13.02 1/1/15 Non-Profit rate: $11.05 Contractors San Francisco City and county for contracts entered into prior to Oct. 14, 2007: 1/1/15 for work performed within the City of S.F.: $11.05 1/1/15 for work performed outside of S.F.: $10.77 SAN JOSE rate: $10.30 Santa Monica: July 1, 2016: $10.50 - Annual increases: $12, $13.25, $14.25, and $15 by 2020. - exempts union employees working under collective bargaining agreements - certain nonprofits and employers with fewer than 25 employees get an extra year to reach $15 - allows employers to pay 85% of the minimum wage for 480 hours or six months -- whichever comes first -- to first-time workers. That works out to six months for part-time workers on the job 20 hours a week, and three months for full-time workers. $15.37 per hour for employees of those providing services to the city under contracts of $54,200 or greater. SUNNY VALE: $10.30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 We should base salaries on height. Tall people have it too easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) How socialism works. http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/uc-berkeley-touts-15-minimum-wage-then-fires-hundreds-of-workers-after-it-passes/ Raise the minimum wage and force businesses to take a loss. People lose their jobs. http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/UC-Berkeley-to-eliminate-500-staff-jobs-7244049.php Blame the deficit on Administrative salaries. These "fat-cats" are making too much money. They can hire 2 janitors for the price of one worthless professional. Edited April 22, 2016 by unbillievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 U.C Berkeley tous $15 minimum wage law, then fires hundreds of workers after it passes Doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 U.C Berkeley tous $15 minimum wage law, then fires hundreds of workers after it passes Doh! But gatorman said it will probably work magically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 But gatorman said it will probably work magically. It is. Poof, there go the jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) I don't care what they do with minimum wage IF they let each individual state decide their minimum wage rules. It would be folly to make a sweeping national minimum wage. Let each state decide their sink or swim threshold. Let each state face the accountability for their minimum wage decisions. Today: localities can decide their minimum wage rules, and only the State of CA and the City of Seattle have increased theirs. But there sure is allot of whining on the circuit. Allot of whining but no action = someone who doesn't believe in their cause and is only political posturing for the lemmings. The real result of raising minimum wage: this shift once with 8 employees will become the shift with 6 employees and these: Edited May 4, 2016 by boater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I don't care what they do with minimum wage IF they let each individual state decide their minimum wage rules. It would be folly to make a sweeping national minimum wage. Let each state decide their sink or swim threshold. Let each state face the accountability for their minimum wage decisions. Today: localities can decide their minimum wage rules, and only the State of CA and the City of Seattle have increased theirs. But there sure is allot of whining on the circuit. Allot of whining but no action = someone who doesn't believe in their cause and is only political posturing for the lemmings. The real result of raising minimum wage: this shift with 8 employees will become the shift with 6 employees and these: So the minimum wage should be the same in San Francisco as it is two hours away in Placerville? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) So the minimum wage should be the same in San Francisco as it is two hours away in Placerville? Not necesarily.. the state, cities (like Seattle did) or counties could make MW decisions. I'd be pretty comfortable with that. I guess my overall position: it shouldn't be a Federally decided one minimum wage fits all solution. And... I really do believe MW talk is all political bluster. Buffalo, Erie County, or New York state can right now make their own minimum wage rules. But you don't see that .... hmmm? Edited May 4, 2016 by boater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 I don't care what they do with minimum wage IF they let each individual state decide their minimum wage rules. It would be folly to make a sweeping national minimum wage. Let each state decide their sink or swim threshold. Let each state face the accountability for their minimum wage decisions. Today: localities can decide their minimum wage rules, and only the State of CA and the City of Seattle have increased theirs. But there sure is allot of whining on the circuit. Allot of whining but no action = someone who doesn't believe in their cause and is only political posturing for the lemmings. The real result of raising minimum wage: this shift once with 8 employees will become the shift with 6 employees and these: Progressive legislation spurring innovation, cost savings and technological advancement! That's a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Progressive legislation spurring innovation, cost savings and technological advancement! That's a good thing Yes, the faster we put unskilled people out of work and on the gov't dole the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Yes, the faster we put unskilled people out of work and on the gov't dole the better. Anyone that knows anything at all about economics knows that innovation has been displacing workers forever. Learn some history man. They will find other jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Anyone that knows anything at all about economics knows that innovation has been displacing workers forever. Learn some history man. They will find other jobs Well yes and no. Innovation pushes people (with some time delay) into other employment. But now with Trans-Pacific Partnership, NAFTA, high taxes or whatever trade treaty: you're pushing these unskilled services workers into jobs that will never appear because they are going overseas. I rue the day when a $15 dollar an hour job at Wendy's is a career. Sadly it's coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Not necesarily.. the state, cities (like Seattle did) or counties could make MW decisions. I'd be pretty comfortable with that. I guess my overall position: it shouldn't be a Federally decided one minimum wage fits all solution. And... I really do believe MW talk is all political bluster. Buffalo, Erie County, or New York state can right now make their own minimum wage rules. But you don't see that .... hmmm? I take it you didn't see my confusing post of minimum wages here in CA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I take it you didn't see my confusing post of minimum wages here in CA. No.. not aware of that. You can post or PM a link. Ya know.. it's hard to master the details 31 pages into a topic I have CA experience, so I have an interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 No.. not aware of that. You can post or PM a link. Ya know.. it's hard to master the details 31 pages into a topic I have CA experience, so I have an interest. Look up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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