FluffHead Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Mr. Pantiesinabunch Graham has a story this morning that Bills coaches would like to move on from Bud Carpenter and his "old school" training staff because their methodologies are "behind the times". I say the proof is in the pudding and get on with it. However the story suggests the front office is not behind the potential move. Who wins out? Edited February 24, 2014 by Beerball Modified title to include FO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Mr. Pantiesinabunch Graham has a story this morning that Bills coaches would like to move on from Bud Carpenter and his "old school" training staff because their methodologies are "behind the times". I say the proof is in the pudding and get on with it. However the story suggests the front office is not behind the potential move. Who wins out? Â http://bills.buffalonews.com/2014/02/23/sources-bills-coaches-want-change-training-staff-front-office-might-agree/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Time to move on. It's not Carpenter's age or longevity. It appears to be his unwillingness to keep up to date in his field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Well who in the front office dont want this change? Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 'Marrone and Whaley also are said to be highly interested in changing the Bills' this-is-the-way-we've-always-done-it culture.' Well if this is really Brandons team and he said its a 'New Era' Then he needs to listen to Marrone and Whaley and start with the Training staff. I am sure there is much more that needs to be changed as well. What is the definition of insanity? Â Well who in the front office dont want this change? I would say Brandon aka he still answers to Ralph although he says he doesn't, Jeffery Littman the money man for Ralph Wilson etal. Â 'Marrone and Whaley also are said to be highly interested in changing the Bills' this-is-the-way-we've-always-done-it culture.' Well if this is really Brandons team and he said its a 'New Era' Then he needs to listen to Marrone and Whaley and start with the Training staff. I am sure there is much more that needs to be changed as well. What is the definition of insanity? Â Â I would say Brandon aka he still answers to Ralph although he says he doesn't, Jeffery Littman the money man for Ralph Wilson etal. I am also willing to bet Whaley wants to handle Contracts now. That would put our long time capologist out of work. That would REALLY upset the apple cart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Ralph insists the team use those Jack Lalane workout videos. He paid good money to have a Betamax installed in the workout room, dagnabbit. Â PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l< j Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Ralph insists the team use those Jack Lalane workout videos. He paid good money to have a Betamax installed in the workout room, dagnabbit. Â PTR Â Of course the Betamax aren't worth much since they took the tvs out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Video from the bills locker room. Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Ralph insists the team use those Jack Lalane workout videos. He paid good money to have a Betamax installed in the workout room, dagnabbit. Â PTR Â Nice! Â I thought they we much less injury prone this year if that means anything. Â Â Was Carrington the biggest name to IR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 What is the definition of insanity? Reading and believing a Pantiesinabunch Graham article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Byrd wants to leave because he's sick of being told to use a ThighMaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelouie Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Carpenter's system worked well for guys like Jack Kemp, Billy Shaw, Tom Sestak, and Jim Dunaway but it's too out dated for todays players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 If Marrone really wants those guys gone then it'll happen eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Mr. Pantiesinabunch Graham has a story this morning that Bills coaches would like to move on from Bud Carpenter and his "old school" training staff because their methodologies are "behind the times". I say the proof is in the pudding and get on with it. However the story suggests the front office is not behind the potential move. Who wins out? Â So let me get this straight........your panties are also bunched as a result of this subject? Â Panties......official undergarment of TBDbags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I do feel there has been a high number of injuries on our team in recent years as well as a decline in performance in the 4th quarter. In training, it's important to switch it up and try new things. Let's get some new guys in there to shake things up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amstel Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Im all for it. Teams need to be on the cutting edge when it comes to technology/methods of helping the players prepare for the season as well as preventing and treating injuries..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I've often wondered why NFL clubs are so behind the times with training and physical therapy/exercise. There are many, many new and better programs to exercise an athlete beyond just straight muscle training and running. Even if it is some hybrid Pilates, Yoga, Crossfit, plyometric, meditating mumbo jumbo I do not think it could be that hard to work on this. Beyond that, the diet and intake need to be adjusted with these players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 It's disturbing to me that a source was willing to speak on the record about this coach-FO rift to TG. If there's a staff purge this week, we'll either know who the leak was or who won the power struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I've often wondered why NFL clubs are so behind the times with training and physical therapy/exercise. There are many, many new and better programs to exercise an athlete beyond just straight muscle training and running. Even if it is some hybrid Pilates, Yoga, Crossfit, plyometric, meditating mumbo jumbo I do not think it could be that hard to work on this. Beyond that, the diet and intake need to be adjusted with these players. Â Screw that! Â Just squat, deadlift, bench, overhead press, and do weighted pull-ups! Â Heck that's all I do and I'm strong as a bull... Â ...oh wait, I can't play football for shizz...never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 There was a WSJ article on this earlier this week--in particular what Brent Celek of the Eagles does in the offseason under Chip Kelly's new regime. Interesting stuff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 There was a WSJ article on this earlier this week--in particular what Brent Celek of the Eagles does in the offseason under Chip Kelly's new regime. Interesting stuff.... http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/165997-how-an-nfl-tight-ends-works-out-in-the-off-season/ Â Screw that! Â Just squat, deadlift, bench, overhead press, and do weighted pull-ups! Â Heck that's all I do and I'm strong as a bull... Â ...oh wait, I can't play football for shizz...never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Â http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/165997-how-an-nfl-tight-ends-works-out-in-the-off-season/ Â Â Â I just want to be on record as saying that I never eat steak & eggs for breakfast... Â I eat them for dinner about 5 nights a week though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) I'm never happy about anyone losing their job... Â But this move would actually go a long way in solidifying my faith in Marrone and Whaley...Why would any professional team not want to be on the cutting edge in this area? Edited February 23, 2014 by KOKBILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 It's disturbing to me that a source was willing to speak on the record about this coach-FO rift to TG. If there's a staff purge this week, we'll either know who the leak was or who won the power struggle. Â Yes it is. Especially if you have been drinking the kool aid about how much things have changed within the Bills organization. Â Why would a team president prevent a GM and HC from changing the training staff? Maybe because he is entertaining the thought that the GM and HC might not be with the team in a couple years? Â I think Marrone wants the kind of power that a proven winner as a HC gets. I am far from convinced that Marrone is the guy but they hired him and to his credit he took a job that many around the NFL have wanted nothing to do with.......so even if they are discouraged by his handling of the first 13 months of his tenure they really should let him do what he sees fit. Â They can't keep undermining their HC's. This is why Chuck Knox said Buffalo was where good coaches go to die. If Marrone wants Carpenter and staff replaced then replace them and if Marrone fails miserably and gets fired next December then at least the next guy comes into this job knowing that the organization will let their GM/HC choose the people they have to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Yes it is. Especially if you have been drinking the kool aid about how much things have changed within the Bills organization. Â Why would a team president prevent a GM and HC from changing the training staff? Maybe because he is entertaining the thought that the GM and HC might not be with the team in a couple years? Â I think Marrone wants the kind of power that a proven winner as a HC gets. I am far from convinced that Marrone is the guy but they hired him and to his credit he took a job that many around the NFL have wanted nothing to do with.......so even if they are discouraged by his handling of the first 13 months of his tenure they really should let him do what he sees fit. Â They can't keep undermining their HC's. This is why Chuck Knox said Buffalo was where good coaches go to die. If Marrone wants Carpenter and staff replaced then replace them and if Marrone fails miserably and gets fired next December then at least the next guy comes into this job knowing that the organization will let their GM/HC choose the people they have to work with. Can we please ban this phrase? If we want to get up to date on training can we update our catch phrases to 21st century? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Yes it is. Especially if you have been drinking the kool aid about how much things have changed within the Bills organization. Â Why would a team president prevent a GM and HC from changing the training staff? Maybe because he is entertaining the thought that the GM and HC might not be with the team in a couple years? Â I think Marrone wants the kind of power that a proven winner as a HC gets. I am far from convinced that Marrone is the guy but they hired him and to his credit he took a job that many around the NFL have wanted nothing to do with.......so even if they are discouraged by his handling of the first 13 months of his tenure they really should let him do what he sees fit. Â They can't keep undermining their HC's. This is why Chuck Knox said Buffalo was where good coaches go to die. If Marrone wants Carpenter and staff replaced then replace them and if Marrone fails miserably and gets fired next December then at least the next guy comes into this job knowing that the organization will let their GM/HC choose the people they have to work with. Could the reluctance have anything to do with Hojo's firing and subsequent lawsuit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I'm never happy about anyone losing their job...  But this move would actually go a long way in solidifying my faith in Marrone and Whaley...Why would any professional team not want to be on the cutting edge in this area? Yea, but they are fighting the status quo. This owner admires loyalty, so as long as they show up...then its good enough for him! What freaking team would keep head scout Tom Modrak with a draft history like he had for a over a decade. So many, many questionable hires over the years... Kay Stephenson anyone? By the same token he also holds a grudge, and is notoriously cantankerous. i.e, John Butler, Bill Polian.  When I read the ESPN report that Buddy Nix wanted to hire Marty Schottenheimer for his first choice as his HC, and the owner stated he didn't "feel comfortable" with that choice. (Probably because he knew Marty wouldn't allow him himself to be micromanaged over the phone every day for hours) I knew the Bills were done until the team gets new ownership, sadly.  Yes it is. Especially if you have been drinking the kool aid about how much things have changed within the Bills organization.  Why would a team president prevent a GM and HC from changing the training staff? Maybe because he is entertaining the thought that the GM and HC might not be with the team in a couple years?  I think Marrone wants the kind of power that a proven winner as a HC gets. I am far from convinced that Marrone is the guy but they hired him and to his credit he took a job that many around the NFL have wanted nothing to do with.......so even if they are discouraged by his handling of the first 13 months of his tenure they really should let him do what he sees fit.  They can't keep undermining their HC's. This is why Chuck Knox said Buffalo was where good coaches go to die. If Marrone wants Carpenter and staff replaced then replace them and if Marrone fails miserably and gets fired next December then at least the next guy comes into this job knowing that the organization will let their GM/HC choose the people they have to work with. Unless of course Marrone wants to hire another good bud, like Crossman. Mike Mularkey screwed the team when he brought in his friend as the trainer and let Rusty Jones go.  http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-07/sports/ct-spt-0208-bears-pompei-rusty-jones-chicago--20130208_1_rusty-jones-strength-coach-phil-emery  My take is Marrone is on borrowed time if the team loses so many games again this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Unless of course Marrone wants to hire another good bud, like Crossman.  Mike Mularkey screwed the team when he brought in his friend as the trainer and let Rusty Jones go.  http://articles.chic...oach-phil-emery  My take is Marrone is on borrowed time if the team loses so many games again this year.  There's a difference between trainers and strength and conditioning coaches.  GO BILLS!!! Edited February 23, 2014 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playman Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) late, so i deleted ^^ Edited February 23, 2014 by playman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Can we please ban this phrase? If we want to get up to date on training can we update our catch phrases to 21st century? Â Man, the bodies aren't even 40 years cold and "drinking the kool aid" is a hackneyed phrase for blindly following? While you are updating us there are dozens of "catch phrases" used here every day that are hundreds of years old and refer to things that are no longer even part of our culture.....can you update those for us as well? Â Could the reluctance have anything to do with Hojo's firing and subsequent lawsuit? Â It could be but it's not unheard of for teams to change training staffs. I am sure the Bills would have to provide a decent severance package to the current trainers but if the coach and trainer don't see eye to eye then one of them has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Could the reluctance have anything to do with Hojo's firing and subsequent lawsuit? what ever amounted to all of that? I remember a lot of speculation and serious accusations against Hojo. It seemed warranted at the time with what was going on. And It was not just Hojo. It was many across the league leading me to believe the shield got involved on the investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 what ever amounted to all of that? I remember a lot of speculation and serious accusations against Hojo. Â It seemed warranted at the time with what was going on. And It was not just Hojo. It was many across the league leading me to believe the shield got involved on the investigation. Â A judge dismissed the case. Seems headed for arbitration. Â http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/federal-court/judge-dismissed-suit-by-ex-bills-employee-claiming-age-discrimination-20140204 Â GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 There's a difference between trainers and strength and conditioning coaches. Â GO BILLS!!! Exactly! Some folks posting in this thread seem to think it's the Strength and Conditioning staff that's under discussion. The trainers are the whirlpool, tape, TENS unit, massage, and therapy guys. One of them is a little person. Maybe Timmah is a height bigot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 One of them is a little person. Maybe Timmah is a height bigot. Â His name is Chris Fischetti. I know giving him a name disrupts your agenda but if the coach isn't happy with the results of the training staff I don't really think it matters if he is a dwarf or a norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 It's disturbing to me that a source was willing to speak on the record about this coach-FO rift to TG. If there's a staff purge this week, we'll either know who the leak was or who won the power struggle. Â Beware the anonymous source. Could be Joe Shiptbag from the cafeteria saying that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I find this report very depressing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 It's disturbing to me that a source was willing to speak on the record about this coach-FO rift to TG. If there's a staff purge this week, we'll either know who the leak was or who won the power struggle. Or maybe Pantywad Graham is making this stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Cain Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Was thinking if I could only get Terri Hatcher to seduce Jeffrey Littman we could be a good team again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Too many liver drills for Timmuh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Â Or maybe Pantywad Graham is making this stuff up. Â He's really been fighting to find some sort of controversy the last couple weeks. Even by his standards. Makes you start to wonder on everything he puts out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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