PolishDave Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 People like you see only what you want to see...I'm sure you were one of those who were calling Aaron Williams and Marcel Dareus busts last year... Nope. I wasn't. And I don't think Ej is a bust necessarily either. I just don't want him to start next year. I want a quarterback who I have faith in that can lead this team to the playoffs. I want EJ to learn from an experienced vet and hopefully become the Qb that the Bills think he might become in a few years. I just don't want him starting. I don't think he is good enough. And neither is any other QB on this roster right now. I want a real QB to lead this team right now while the rest of the pieces (read defense) are still in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Why did he miss so many games? Answer = because he couldn't stay healthy. One more reason to not have faith in him. Thanks for help in making my point. Yes. Because any player who suffers a nagging injury in year one is clearly going to have injuries in subsequent years. The lack of reasoning on this board is astounding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Nope. I wasn't. And I don't think Ej is a bust necessarily either. I just don't want him to start next year. I want a quarterback who I have faith in that can lead this team to the playoffs. I want EJ to learn from an experienced vet and hopefully become the Qb that the Bills think he might become in a few years. I just don't want him starting. I don't think he is good enough. And neither is any other QB on this roster right now. I want a real QB to lead this team right now while the rest of the pieces (read defense) are still in place. Well, good luck with all that... As for me, I think I'll just withhold my judgement until I actually have enough information to make a truly informed assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7boogiewoogie Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 The bottom line is throwing a deep ball that connects enough to be dangerous as Thad has been able to achieve is going to open up the running game which we have. Checking down makes any opposing defensive strategy easier. That is why when Nate Hackett opens up the playbook for EJ we are more successful. However opening up the playbook for success is fine but the you must factor in a players overall ability to stay healthy in a league that demands health. EJ has struggled with that and if his college days are any indication of how he will fair in terms of health in the NFL then the nod has to go to Thad at this point. 2-0 as a starter with an undeniable command of the offense even through the occasional failure. Something that EJ cannot boast. Something tells me and of course I cold be wrong because let's face it 2 games does not an NFL quarterback make. But something tells me that, and I quote... (Al Pacino, Devil's Advocate) "And they didn't even see me coming". Something tells me this Thad Lewis just might have the Eye Of The Tiger. I love being a Bills fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 All I know is I seriously doubt EJ goes 2-0 vs Miami. Downplay what Thad did all u want but he got it done and looked much better than the seasoned Tannehill with fewer weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) All I know is I seriously doubt EJ goes 2-0 vs Miami. Downplay what Thad did all u want but he got it done and looked much better than the seasoned Tannehill with fewer weapons. Please! The Bills beat the Dolphins twice because primarily because of dominating performances by the defensive front seven. Big props to Fred Jackson too. Thad wasn't much of a factor in either win. He's a career backup QB at best. Edited December 23, 2013 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 He reminds me of 38-year old concussed drew Bledsoe. Has that very glassy look in his eyes. who wouldn't after 7 sacks This board is ridiculous. Anyone who thinks the Bills aren't contending with Alex Smith right now is crazy. There is a reason the Bills pursued him more than any other team and forced KC to give up TWO draft picks. The Bills knew it, too. But on this board they are happy with TL throwing for no TD's beacuse he's the backup. Suggest Alex Smith and no one wants him because he's not Peyton Manning. Unreal... Smith definitely would have been an impact player for us, and may have been the difference in competing for a playoff spot instead of wrecking other teams playoff chances, while looking up from the basement again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Bills should sign a vet and draft someone like Murray or Mettenberger in the 2nd or 3rd. Take Manziel if he is there for you in the 1st, he has elite accuracy and is going to be a star. Bills training camp QB's should be EJ, Vet, draft pick and Lewis. If they don't do something like this then they are inept. I think the Bills should ship Stevie Johnson for a mid round draft pick and go after a Top WR in the draft. THey need to give tools for EJ to succeed on the vertical game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Neither are starting NFL Qbs in my opinion, and I agree that the Bills need to draft another QB in 2014, which they probably won't. My point is, if the 1st rd. QB is that close to the PS QB, what have you really got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 What was the gameplan today? Run and throw go routes? That kind of game plan isn't going to beat many teams. I gave serious questions about this offensive staff I would have liked to see Thad throw more 5-10 and 10-20 yard passes instead of throwing bombs every other play. yeah but at least Hackett is starting to use the screen play more. I think if he had used it early in the season we would have won a few more games. Our team runs it very well. Eric Wood's favorite play. He said it lets him hit little linebackers and Dbacks so he likes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Yes. Because any player who suffers a nagging injury in year one is clearly going to have injuries in subsequent years. The lack of reasoning on this board is astounding... So, I guess EJ has no health concerns: got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Thad was ok today, EJ is the best QB on the team. Let's see Thad win a game when they aren't running for 200+ yards. You know what's funny with this comment? If EJ threw (or was allowed to throw) the ball downfield with any kind of a threat, there would be more room for the RB's to run, but instead he likes to look and throw within 10 yds of the line of scrimmage. Hard to run with all those guys in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelouie Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) I have to agree with you IslandBillsFan. At least Thad has the balls to throw the ball down field. I know EJ needs more time before we can say he is a bust, but so far he hasn't shown me that he won't be. I see EJ as a bust at this point but I hope he proves me wrong and improves next year. Right now EJ isn't even an average quarterback, he stinks up the joint. Thad may not be an elite quarterback but at least he can move the team. EJ is three and out the majority of his drives. Edited December 23, 2013 by littlelouie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Neither are starting NFL Qbs in my opinion, and I agree that the Bills need to draft another QB in 2014, which they probably won't. My point is, if the 1st rd. QB is that close to the PS QB, what have you really got? Good question. As a much reviled BN columnist noted tonight, a very good defense and a solid running game isn't enough in the modern NFL. The issue remains that they didn't answer the QB question going into 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 The biggest concern with EJ has been his inability to stay healthy. The biggest concern with EJ is his inability to throw a football like a competent nfl quarterback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 The biggest concern with EJ is his inability to throw a football like a competent nfl quarterback Says the guy who said Bruce Irvin was a 3rd or 4th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 The whole coaching staff for the Buffalo Bills are college level coaches who are in over their heads. Not good. Amateurs. We have little in the way of QBs and even less in the way of coaches who know how to develop/coach QBs. On the other hand, to counter your implication that college coaches are a bad thing, do the names Chip Kelly, Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll ring a bell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) The bottom line is throwing a deep ball that connects enough to be dangerous as Thad has been able to achieve is going to open up the running game which we have. Checking down makes any opposing defensive strategy easier. That is why when Nate Hackett opens up the playbook for EJ we are more successful. However opening up the playbook for success is fine but the you must factor in a players overall ability to stay healthy in a league that demands health. EJ has struggled with that and if his college days are any indication of how he will fair in terms of health in the NFL then the nod has to go to Thad at this point. 2-0 as a starter with an undeniable command of the offense even through the occasional failure. Something that EJ cannot boast. Something tells me and of course I cold be wrong because let's face it 2 games does not an NFL quarterback make. But something tells me that, and I quote... (Al Pacino, Devil's Advocate) "And they didn't even see me coming". Something tells me this Thad Lewis just might have the Eye Of The Tiger. I love being a Bills fan! First of all, are you even aware of EJ's injury history in college? I think he missed only 1 game. Second, Thad isn't 2-0 as the starter. He's 2-2 with those 2 wins coming despite Thad starting not because of. But don't let facts get in the way..... Edited December 23, 2013 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Says the guy who said Bruce Irvin was a 3rd or 4th rounder. You remember where I had Bruce Irvin two years ago? Cause I don't. But I don't think many people had him going in the teens. The point is EJ, not Bruce Irvin. I don't think EJ is very good. Sorry I don't watch through my rose colored glasses. It seems like the people who voice their concern with EJ are dismissed around here by people that are so desperate for a franchise Qb they dismiss his shortcomings with excuses for poor play like "he's a rookie" or "he's been hurt" and "he has great upside". What I see is a guy who is a slow starter and didn't throw consistently accurately in college and doesn't in the pros either. Now people will cite his completion percentage in college but it you actually watched florida state you know he was not accurate. Accuracy is rarely improved upon to the level he needs improving so I have my doubts. I hope I'm wrong and he turns into a great player. I haven't seen much to suggest he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 EJ is going to BE THE STARTER. And the Bills will miss the playoffs for the 15th straight year! God I am really pulling for him... BUT, I hitch my horse to nobody anymore! It is now what can you do for me this game. Thad won, start him next game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 What I see is a guy who is a slow starter and didn't throw consistently accurately in college and doesn't in the pros either. Now people will cite his completion percentage in college but it you actually watched florida state you know he was not accurate. Accuracy is rarely improved upon to the level he needs improving so I have my doubts. And what I see is an incredibly gifted quarterback with great intangibles who has played very well in spite of missing half of the preseason and 4.5 weeks of the regular season (before today's game). I consider myself a pretty good observer of the NFL and I think he's played well. It's astounding to me how many people dwell on his bad plays ignoring the two dozen or so throws he's made this year that we haven't seen a Bills quarterback make since Drew Bledsoe's first year here. The comments today about Thad Lewis' abilities relative to EJ Manuel are nothing short of idiotic IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) We need to FIRE NAT HACKETT! Then try to hire Frank Reich away from The Chargers. He's got DECADES of valuable experience, and has Phil Rivers playing very well this season -Then after a mostly defensive early draft, we take a talented QB prospect in later rounds. May faves are Connor Shaw, Tommy Rees, and David Fales. Edited December 23, 2013 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 We need to FIRE NAT HACKETT! Then try to hire Frank Reich away from The Chargers. He's got DECADES of valuable experience, and has Phil Rivers playing very well this season -Then after a mostly defensive early draft, we take a talented QB prospect in later rounds. May faves are Connor Shaw, Tommy Rees, and David Fales. he also has Philip rivers. You want to have a defensive draft when the offense needs a lot of work and you think some scrub QBs are gona fix it . I'd rather have EJ than those bums at least he the physical tools to do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Well, good luck with all that... As for me, I think I'll just withhold my judgement until I actually have enough information to make a truly informed assessment. WOW....an educated statement! Not many of those around here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) Comparing experience level of an athlete to what is needed to be a CEO of a major corp is the dumbest thing posted here this year. Congrats! So do you really think that rookie QBs come in knowing everything that they need to know for immediate success at the NFL's most important and cerebral position? I suggest checking the rookie season of almost every successful QB over the last 20 or 30 years. By the way, expressing an argument in support of a contrarian viewpoint is what is supposed to be done on boards like this. Calling another post "the dumbest post of the year" without any counterpoint being expressed just makes you sound bad. Edited December 23, 2013 by OldTimer1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I think this was a message game. Miami was not in one of those "let's get this over and run for the bus" modes. They had a lit riding on this. Thad looked good enough to challenge the oft injuredvej, but I think the job is still ej's. Very impressive win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLBighits Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I think this was a message game. Miami was not in one of those "let's get this over and run for the bus" modes. They had a lit riding on this. Thad looked good enough to challenge the oft injuredvej, but I think the job is still ej's. Very impressive win Defense won this game as are QB play has been terrible all year and we need help there big time as are wide receivers do to but are defense is fine . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 The whole coaching staff for the Buffalo Bills are college level coaches who are in over their heads. Not good. Amateurs. We have little in the way of QBs and even less in the way of coaches who know how to develop/coach QBs. Good point. I mean, whatever happened to that QB from Syracuse? /sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I wanted to draft EJ. I want him to succeed. However his propensity for injury makes me worry. I would not blame the organization for drafting QB this draft. Especially if there is a Manziel or Bridgewater available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 No doubt Thad is far more entertaining to watch right now than EJ is... but no doubt EJ is still the starter next year. I give EJ a mulligan for this year, but he could (or should) be 2 years and done though if he doesn't show major improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 And what I see is an incredibly gifted quarterback with great intangibles who has played very well in spite of missing half of the preseason and 4.5 weeks of the regular season (before today's game). I consider myself a pretty good observer of the NFL and I think he's played well. It's astounding to me how many people dwell on his bad plays ignoring the two dozen or so throws he's made this year that we haven't seen a Bills quarterback make since Drew Bledsoe's first year here. The comments today about Thad Lewis' abilities relative to EJ Manuel are nothing short of idiotic IMO. And, you're welcome TYO. It may be somewhat of a surprize to learn that tens of thousands of Bills fans also consider themselves pretty good observers of the NFL, including me. While I don't observe that Manuel is Geno-bad (yes, I believed Smith would be THIS bad), the 2 dozen or so HORRIBLE plays our Rook made washes out your positive plays and we're left with a complete unknown at the games' most important position. My angst over this stems from the Bills FINALLY having such good talent on the team overall that we'd be competing for a playoff game this year, we're it not for the poor play and multiple missed games by 'the Chosen One'. Talent windows don't stay around like they used to and this teams' playoff drought is approaching epic proportion in an era where EVERY team can turn their fortunes around in one year. As for Bledsoe-like throws, I recall most good observers in awe over Fitzy's sidearm slings for TDs that "few players can make"! He says "Hi" from Tennessee.. IMO, Manuel is a 'project QB' we simply don't have the luxury of time to invest, and his gangly, scrawny legs are a huge concern. I'm good with nurturing him but NOT if we don't get another top prospect in here via Draft or trade this off-season. Just my idiotic opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) On the other hand, to counter your implication that college coaches are a bad thing, do the names Chip Kelly, Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll ring a bell? I didn't say that ALL college coaches are a bad thing. I just said that when Marrone, et al, were here at Syracuse University they really did nothing to impress anyone. Everyone around here warned me that the Bills were making a BIG mistake hiring him/them but I ignored everyone. It's beginning to look like everyone here in Syracuse who said the Bills hiring Marrone, et al, was a bad idea were 100% right! Worse, this coaching staff will never develop EJ Manuel into a NFL QB. GO SU ORANGE! GO BUFFALO BILLS! Edited December 23, 2013 by PearlHowardman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I wanted to draft EJ. I want him to succeed. However his propensity for injury makes me worry. I would not blame the organization for drafting QB this draft. Especially if there is a Manziel or Bridgewater available. That's simply not happening. Here's the list of all the QB starved teams picking before the Bills pick in the 1st round... Houston St. Louis Jacksonville Oakland Cleveland Minnesota Not only will the Bills not get a sniff of Manziel or Bridgewater, they won't get a sniff of the next two QBs in line to be drafted. I wish fans here could just enjoy the fact that the Bills will have a great opportunity to draft a stud WR or OL since so many QBs will be being being picked ahead of them in the draft, this will push great talent at other positions to them. EJ Manuel is a raw talent who showed flashes of very good play and very bad play. He's had some accuracy problems, yet he would became very accurate in close games going down to the wire. What this tells me is that he has the accuracy in him, and the issue is mental and not physical. Year two he should be settled down and look much better in much longer stretches of games. Long story short, the Bills aren't picking a QB in the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 All I know is I seriously doubt EJ goes 2-0 vs Miami. Downplay what Thad did all u want but he got it done and looked much better than the seasoned Tannehill with fewer weapons. You could have played qb and we would have won. Defense have up zero. Props to Thad but he's got a backups skillset IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Defense won this game as are QB play has been terrible all year and we need help there big time as are wide receivers do to but are defense is fine . The defense, AND running game won that game IMO. Once Woods was ejected and Goodwin left with an injury it seemed like Hackett went all out with the running game. Once that run game was working well it helped keep the Bills defense fresh and off the field. It also limited Talleywhackers chances to make a comeback. Thing of beauty to watch... punt,punt,punt,punt,punt,punt,punt,punt,punt....(that's right, 9 punts in a row! )...INT,punt, downs, INT We need to FIRE NAT HACKETT! Then try to hire Frank Reich away from The Chargers. He's got DECADES of valuable experience, and has Phil Rivers playing very well this season -Then after a mostly defensive early draft, we take a talented QB prospect in later rounds. May faves are Connor Shaw, Tommy Rees, and David Fales. Ken Whisenhunt is the current Chargers OC. Reich is the QB coach. Personally I'd rather try and hire Whisenhunt as Bills OC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 And what I see is an incredibly gifted quarterback with great intangibles who has played very well in spite of missing half of the preseason and 4.5 weeks of the regular season (before today's game). I consider myself a pretty good observer of the NFL and I think he's played well. It's astounding to me how many people dwell on his bad plays ignoring the two dozen or so throws he's made this year that we haven't seen a Bills quarterback make since Drew Bledsoe's first year here. The comments today about Thad Lewis' abilities relative to EJ Manuel are nothing short of idiotic IMO. ^ This pretty much says it all. I wouldn't go so far as to say EJ has played "very well", but I'd say he's looked the part of a rookie QB that has had the much-expected ups and downs, but will develop into a very good player. I wanted to draft EJ. I want him to succeed. However his propensity for injury makes me worry. I would not blame the organization for drafting QB this draft. Especially if there is a Manziel or Bridgewater available. I have no problem drafting another QB if the team is that worried about his injuries; I don't agree with that assessment myself. And, you're welcome TYO. It may be somewhat of a surprize to learn that tens of thousands of Bills fans also consider themselves pretty good observers of the NFL, including me. While I don't observe that Manuel is Geno-bad (yes, I believed Smith would be THIS bad), the 2 dozen or so HORRIBLE plays our Rook made washes out your positive plays and we're left with a complete unknown at the games' most important position. My angst over this stems from the Bills FINALLY having such good talent on the team overall that we'd be competing for a playoff game this year, we're it not for the poor play and multiple missed games by 'the Chosen One'. Talent windows don't stay around like they used to and this teams' playoff drought is approaching epic proportion in an era where EVERY team can turn their fortunes around in one year. As for Bledsoe-like throws, I recall most good observers in awe over Fitzy's sidearm slings for TDs that "few players can make"! He says "Hi" from Tennessee.. IMO, Manuel is a 'project QB' we simply don't have the luxury of time to invest, and his gangly, scrawny legs are a huge concern. I'm good with nurturing him but NOT if we don't get another top prospect in here via Draft or trade this off-season. Just my idiotic opinion. If you're going to use the words gangly and scrawny to describe EJ, then how would you describe Ryan Tannehill? And no, the two dozen bad throws don't wash out anything. The good plays still count, regardless of how stuck on the poor ones people may seem to be...and whether some posters here want to recognize it or not, the numbers clearly show that the kid has made more positive plays than negative ones. It really seems to me that unless a QB comes in here and looks like Andrew Luck from day one, some fans on this board will be ready to kick him to the curb. To that I say: good luck, no pun intended. QBs take time to develop in this league, and even once they do, there are still going to be bumps in the road. It's amazing to me that so many apparent "good observers" don't recognize this, or--in the very least--get too emotional when it comes to their home team to remember it. Just for fun, compare EJ Manuel's rookie stats to Andrew Luck's...I think you'll be absolutely shocked at how similar they are. Would you call Luck a complete unknown at QB? I only ask because his 28 turnovers (18 INT, 10 fumbles) in 2012 would--by your logic--wash out the 28 combined TDs he scored (23 TD passes, 5 TD runs). Look, the point here is very simple: if you're only going to be satisfied if a QB comes in and plays Luck-type football from day one, then you're going to be waiting a long, long, long, long time. You cannot point to more than 1 or 2 QBs currently starting in the NFL that have done it AND managed to sustain the pace over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) I do not think EJ our Thad have shown anything to justify being a good NFL QB. But at this point if I have a choice of who to start for a game I choose Thad. My argument goes like this: 1. Both are horribly inaccurate. So no advantage either way here. 2. EJ checks down. Thad airs it out. On a third and long I'll take my chances with a 20 yard jump ball rather than a 3 yard check down. 3. Thad has emotion. He was visually upset when he misses throws. If EJ misses Hogan like Thad did, EJ would jog off. Thad was on the ground pissed off. Obviously, I am just a fan and do not see the practices or many of the inner mechanics of the game. However, based on these few principles I like Thad. The only argument I can see for EJ (and I am sure I will hear it in a bunch of responses) is that EJ is a work in progress and has been battling injuries. For me personally, I am tired of excuses and waiting. Last point, going into next season I would rather have a proven veteran or another first round draft QB. But between the EJ and Thad, give me Thaddeus or give me death. I was so hoping to see a post like this. So Thad had an extremely mediocre game, where he started 1-7, threw one nice deep pass (all Woods), 193 yards an INT and no TD's...Now he's the savior? The Bills won because of an amazing defensive performance and Fred Jackson. Thad did a good job not messing up too much. Also, I was amazed that Miami didn't blitz Thad much considering the problems he has had with that (the INT was cased by one of the few blitz plays they ran). Edited December 23, 2013 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I was so hoping to see a post like this. So Thad had an extremely mediocre game, where he started 1-7, threw one nice deep pass (all Woods), 193 yards an INT and no TD's...Now he's the savior? The Bills won because of an amazing defensive performance and Fred Jackson. Thad did a good job not messing up too much. Also, I was amazed that Miami didn't blitz Thad much considering the problems he has had with that (the INT was cased by a blitz). Yep...just imagine what we'd say about EJ if he, say--just for example--started 0-4 with an INT in the first quarter of a road game, and then finished 17-20 with 2 TDs (plus a rushing TD), 0 INTs, and got the win... Good thing that didn't happen last week, or else comments like the one you responded to just wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 The problem with EJ is that, we still don't really know what we have. He has looked very good at time, and has looked like a lost rookie at times. My biggest concerns with him is (besides the early run of injuries): He does not appear to have that on the edge, reckless confidence, "do hard things" attitude that all great QBs have. He needs to show he has the moxy to take some risks and make difficult throws once in awhile. He always seems abundantly cautious in his decision making (reminds me a lot of "Trentative" in that respect). Even when he decides to run on occasion, he never really seems committed to it. Thad Lewis, while maybe not having the natural skills and size of Manuel, does show that kind of moxy. He is, however, best suited for the back-up role, and I think he is a very valuable asset to have on any team. And, he has the confidence of his teammates, he has proven that they can win with him. That is an under appreciated, but extremely important player/role on any team. Back to EJ: What I really wonder about concerning him is, how much does coaching comes into his play? Is he limited? over cautious? because Hackett and company are making him that way, or is it him? While this is hard to measure, the eyeball test seems to suggest the offense doesn't have that same level of shyness and timidity when Lewis is in there? So back to my point: I don't think we know what we have yet with EJ, and unfortunately only time will tell so we're going to have to wait until next year to get a better read on that. We all hope he's the answer, but there just isn't enough evidence yet to come to a conclusion. That being said, this is the NFL, and time waits for no one. If he doesn't prove it early next year, we could be starting all over again . . . and, make sure you have Thad wrapped up and ready to go. He may be needed sooner then we want, but he's not a bad #2 option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 EJ is going to BE THE STARTER. or HE WON'T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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