steven50 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 I was going to do a poll but then realized I had no clue how to do a poll so here is the question: How would you feel if the Bills traded the two 2nd round picks and the third rounder (or some other combination of picks) for a (projected) low to mid/low 1st rounder next year? The cap situation will be a lot better next year and with 2 first round picks and an aggressive free agency that could be the teams "all in" year. Bean went out of his way to say he was already getting calls and I doubt he traded out of the first round twice without the owner in on it so this probably has Pegula's blessing and jobs are safe. If Bills management reasoned they didn't have the firepower (cap space and picks) to substantially upgrade the team this year, then they might have also rationalized why not start planting the seeds for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 There almost certainly would be no trading partner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 If it's about next year, then we should be loading up with as many top tier players we can so they'll be productive by next year. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, BuffaloButt said: If it's about next year, then we should be loading up with as many top tier players we can so they'll be productive by next year. This. It's about every year. That's their goal, as they've said many many times. They want to be competitive every year. And there's every chance they'll be competitive this year as long as Allen is healthy. They did this because based on their board and how the draft fell, they felt this was the most effective use of their picks. Doesn't mean anyone else has to agree. But that's what they thought. Edited April 26 by Thurman#1 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Maybe, just maybe, the plan is to hang McD out to dry while clearing cap space. That way, they can Can his arse late/ after the season and go into next year ready to fill the coffers for a “Not Schottenheimer 2.0” He also gets to blame the mediocre season on McD and get some of his ball boys on here to see the light. Oh, a man can dream🤔 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 It's about every year. NFL GMs operate on a long term plan. Fans operate on a year to year thought process. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Bills will be fine. Today should be fun. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 44 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: It's about every year. NFL GMs operate on a long term plan. Fans operate on a year to year thought process. Oh, you're giving me wayyyyyyyyyy too much credit here............i'm like minute by minute.......on a good day. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Josh Allen will be 28 years old when the season starts. The absolute prime of his career. Yes. There is a reasonable explanation for all of Brandon Beane's offseason moves. Why he surprisingly cut Mitch Morse (along with several other veterans). Why he decided not to restructure all of Allen's contract, and did almost nothing in Free Agency. Why he traded Stefon Diggs and took on tons of dead cap. Why he decided not to move up in the draft this year for a Top 3 receiver. And I'm sure many of the level-headed and conservative critics are applauding those moves. The problem is that ALL of Beane's decisions are geared to help us in 2025. But nothing has been done to give the Bills a better chance at winning the Super Bowl in 2024. Our roster is significantly weaker than any point in the last 3-4 seasons, with much less depth across the board. Can anyone honestly compare our talent level versus the Chiefs (again), Bengals, Texans, Ravens... or even the Jets, and think we will be a serious contender in the AFC this year? We only get so many cracks at this thing before Allen's best years are behind him, and we seem to be content punting away this upcoming season and reloading for the future. Maybe we can argue it was the "smartest" thing for the franchise. But personally, I think it's depressing. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Can anyone honestly compare our talent level versus the Chiefs (again), Bengals, Texans, Ravens... or even the Jets, and think we will be a serious contender in the AFC this year? Multiple thread on TSW say “ Yes!!!” Bills to SB, This team better than last year (?!?!) etc, blah, blah, blah…. This is 2025 is HOPEFULLY our next window opening stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amprov56 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: It's about every year. NFL GMs operate on a long term plan. Fans operate on a year to year thought process. Great post, hell lose one game and the "fire everybody" chant starts! Fast food culture!!! 2 hours ago, mjt328 said: Josh Allen will be 28 years old when the season starts. The absolute prime of his career. Yes. There is a reasonable explanation for all of Brandon Beane's offseason moves. Why he surprisingly cut Mitch Morse (along with several other veterans). Why he decided not to restructure all of Allen's contract, and did almost nothing in Free Agency. Why he traded Stefon Diggs and took on tons of dead cap. Why he decided not to move up in the draft this year for a Top 3 receiver. And I'm sure many of the level-headed and conservative critics are applauding those moves. The problem is that ALL of Beane's decisions are geared to help us in 2025. But nothing has been done to give the Bills a better chance at winning the Super Bowl in 2024. Our roster is significantly weaker than any point in the last 3-4 seasons, with much less depth across the board. Can anyone honestly compare our talent level versus the Chiefs (again), Bengals, Texans, Ravens... or even the Jets, and think we will be a serious contender in the AFC this year? We only get so many cracks at this thing before Allen's best years are behind him, and we seem to be content punting away this upcoming season and reloading for the future. Maybe we can argue it was the "smartest" thing for the franchise. But personally, I think it's depressing. We are still four months away from the 2024 season and you have thrown in the towel? Edited April 26 by amprov56 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 51 minutes ago, amprov56 said: We are still four months away from the 2024 season and you have thrown in the towel? Pretend for a moment you aren't a Bills fan, and you are objectively looking at this roster from the outside. The team has quite obviously taken a step backwards at several key positions (Wide Receiver, Safety and Edge Rusher). Less talented players will now be expected to step into starting spots and play more snaps. At other positions, there is also less depth when the inevitable injuries happen (Offensive Line, Defensive Tackle). Not to mention the significant loss of leadership, with five longtime veterans walking out the door (Stefon Diggs, Mitch Morse, Tre White, Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde). The biggest remaining star on defense (Matt Milano) is returning from a major leg injury. Yes, there are still 4 months left until the start of the regular season. But I'm struggling to see the pathway where we can fill all these spots with guys who can make an impact in 2024. The veteran FA market has pretty much dried up, and we won't have cap space until June 1. The rookies who could have made an immediate Year 1 impact are already gone. This team wasn't good enough in 2020, 2021, 2022 and 2023. Can anyone honestly say this roster looks BETTER in 2024? Edited April 26 by mjt328 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 5 hours ago, steven50 said: I was going to do a poll but then realized I had no clue how to do a poll so here is the question: How would you feel if the Bills traded the two 2nd round picks and the third rounder (or some other combination of picks) for a (projected) low to mid/low 1st rounder next year? The cap situation will be a lot better next year and with 2 first round picks and an aggressive free agency that could be the teams "all in" year. Bean went out of his way to say he was already getting calls and I doubt he traded out of the first round twice without the owner in on it so this probably has Pegula's blessing and jobs are safe. If Bills management reasoned they didn't have the firepower (cap space and picks) to substantially upgrade the team this year, then they might have also rationalized why not start planting the seeds for next year. It became obvious that the Bills were doing a soft reboot this season when they cut ties with so many vets, ate so much dead cap and drastically cut cash spending. Few here were ready to admit that the Bills would be less competitive this season than the last few, but that’s the reality. Even I thought that they might go big for a top 3 WR in this draft and lean into the offense for a path to a good playoff run. They’ll have cap space to spend in FA next offseason. If they do that well and draft well this season and next we will be at the forefront of another open window in 2025. Even this season we should be a good team, just not a real contender. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cDAVIS Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Josh is in the height if his prime. It's about this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 always next year...sounds familiar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 46 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Can anyone honestly say this roster looks BETTER in 2024? So we're done then? After the first round of the 2024 draft? These are the guys that they're taking to camp? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: It's about every year. NFL GMs operate on a long term plan. Fans operate on a year to year thought process. Most of the people on this board operate on a draft round by draft round thought process, if they're thinking at all. Everyone chill. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amprov56 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: Pretend for a moment you aren't a Bills fan, and you are objectively looking at this roster from the outside. The team has quite obviously taken a step backwards at several key positions (Wide Receiver, Safety and Edge Rusher). Less talented players will now be expected to step into starting spots and play more snaps. At other positions, there is also less depth when the inevitable injuries happen (Offensive Line, Defensive Tackle). Not to mention the significant loss of leadership, with five longtime veterans walking out the door (Stefon Diggs, Mitch Morse, Tre White, Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde). The biggest remaining star on defense (Matt Milano) is returning from a major leg injury. Yes, there are still 4 months left until the start of the regular season. But I'm struggling to see the pathway where we can fill all these spots with guys who can make an impact in 2024. The veteran FA market has pretty much dried up, and we won't have cap space until June 1. The rookies who could have made an immediate Year 1 impact are already gone. This team wasn't good enough in 2020, 2021, 2022 and 2023. Can anyone honestly say this roster looks BETTER in 2024? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 C’mon, Everyone sing along: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amprov56 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 30 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said: Most of the people on this board operate on a draft round by draft round thought process, if they're thinking at all. Everyone chill. Great post number 10! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 It's still early in the process. There are 6 more rounds of the draft, the Bills have 10+ picks, there are UDFAs to sign, there are post-June 1 cuts, and then training camp cuts. There's also potential for trades. This is not to mention that Josh Allen is in his prime, the Bills have a number of other good players, and Mahomes could tear his ACL in Week 2 and be out for the season. So despite the loss of several veteran players, it's too early to write the season off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 If they are not trying to win the SuperBowl every year with Josh then they should both be fired. You think any Rams fan cares they didn't make the playoffs after winning the SuperBowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 5 hours ago, mjt328 said: Josh Allen will be 28 years old when the season starts. The absolute prime of his career. Yes. There is a reasonable explanation for all of Brandon Beane's offseason moves. Why he surprisingly cut Mitch Morse (along with several other veterans). Why he decided not to restructure all of Allen's contract, and did almost nothing in Free Agency. Why he traded Stefon Diggs and took on tons of dead cap. Why he decided not to move up in the draft this year for a Top 3 receiver. And I'm sure many of the level-headed and conservative critics are applauding those moves. The problem is that ALL of Beane's decisions are geared to help us in 2025. But nothing has been done to give the Bills a better chance at winning the Super Bowl in 2024. Our roster is significantly weaker than any point in the last 3-4 seasons, with much less depth across the board. Can anyone honestly compare our talent level versus the Chiefs (again), Bengals, Texans, Ravens... or even the Jets, and think we will be a serious contender in the AFC this year? We only get so many cracks at this thing before Allen's best years are behind him, and we seem to be content punting away this upcoming season and reloading for the future. Maybe we can argue it was the "smartest" thing for the franchise. But personally, I think it's depressing. If only the salary cap and the need to replace aging players with rapidly declining skills were not a reality, well then I might see your point. Since those factors ARE real, I believe Beane has done a nice job of embracing that reality and addressing it. Would you prefer that we give OBJ a bag of money for a year along with a key to the city? I would rather deal in the reality of an evolving roster. It never stops... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 42 minutes ago, cwater10 said: If only the salary cap and the need to replace aging players with rapidly declining skills were not a reality, well then I might see your point. Since those factors ARE real, I believe Beane has done a nice job of embracing that reality and addressing it. Would you prefer that we give OBJ a bag of money for a year along with a key to the city? I would rather deal in the reality of an evolving roster. It never stops... My preference would have been to balance the losses/gains between 2024-2025. Going into the offseason, I absolutely expected us to make some tough moves (White, Poyer, Hyde) to clear cap space. But I figured we would offset those losses with some cheap moves in Free Agency, and be right back in the thick of things for another serious Super Bowl push. What I didn't expect was Beane to gut the roster and start rebuilding. There are three specific moves that I will point to, which prove that Beane is building for 2025 and not this upcoming season: 1) Only doing a partial restructure on Josh Allen's contract 2) Cutting Mitch Morse when he was still playing well 3) Trading Stefon Diggs for a pick next year without a specific plan to immediately replace his production Maybe Beane knows best and starting from scratch is really the best strategy for this organization. We can load up on young talent in this draft, watch them develop in 2024, clear a ton of cap space and hopefully everything will be ready to go again a year from now. Personally I think it's a mistake to waste a prime year of Josh Allen's career, and I find it depressing to take a step backwards when other franchises seem to keep it rolling season after season. I also think a lot of fans are currently in denial about where the current Bills roster stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, cwater10 said: If only the salary cap and the need to replace aging players with rapidly declining skills were not a reality, well then I might see your point. Since those factors ARE real, I believe Beane has done a nice job of embracing that reality and addressing it. Would you prefer that we give OBJ a bag of money for a year along with a key to the city? I would rather deal in the reality of an evolving roster. It never stops... We will see what he does in the next 12 hours. There still was no reason to trade Diggs at this time and make your team worse. They could just have easily kept Diggs and still traded down and still drafted a WR. Now they need to add at least two WRs to even have a roster of 5 NFL caliber WRs. There are still several name UFA out there Beane can add after June 1st. They may already have a deal in place for one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigstu Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Yes it was frustrating to not have a #1 pick, but we are now loaded for day 2 & 3. We have a chance to get starting WR and DB in the 2nd round. we need depth and now have the picks to do it. Just like a game, the 1st quarter is over, but lets win the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 7 hours ago, mjt328 said: Josh Allen will be 28 years old when the season starts. The absolute prime of his career. Yes. There is a reasonable explanation for all of Brandon Beane's offseason moves. Why he surprisingly cut Mitch Morse (along with several other veterans). Why he decided not to restructure all of Allen's contract, and did almost nothing in Free Agency. Why he traded Stefon Diggs and took on tons of dead cap. Why he decided not to move up in the draft this year for a Top 3 receiver. And I'm sure many of the level-headed and conservative critics are applauding those moves. The problem is that ALL of Beane's decisions are geared to help us in 2025. But nothing has been done to give the Bills a better chance at winning the Super Bowl in 2024. Our roster is significantly weaker than any point in the last 3-4 seasons, with much less depth across the board. Can anyone honestly compare our talent level versus the Chiefs (again), Bengals, Texans, Ravens... or even the Jets, and think we will be a serious contender in the AFC this year? We only get so many cracks at this thing before Allen's best years are behind him, and we seem to be content punting away this upcoming season and reloading for the future. Maybe we can argue it was the "smartest" thing for the franchise. But personally, I think it's depressing. We were over the cap and most of the players that were let go were a combo of a) too expensive b) on the down side of their careers c) apparent malcontents d) coming off injuries We traded down JUST 5 spots and ended up with a 3rd round pick and much better draft positions - I think a pretty good move I am sure Beane's plan is to use some of those later picks to get us back into better position in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and we can end up with hopefully 4 or 5 starters out of the draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 8 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Maybe, just maybe, the plan is to hang McD out to dry while clearing cap space. That way, they can Can his arse late/ after the season and go into next year ready to fill the coffers for a “Not Schottenheimer 2.0” He also gets to blame the mediocre season on McD and get some of his ball boys on here to see the light. Oh, a man can dream🤔 If it meant the rest of Josh's career here without McD, I would punt a year in exchange for that with zero hesitation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 6 hours ago, mjt328 said: Pretend for a moment you aren't a Bills fan, and you are objectively looking at this roster from the outside. The team has quite obviously taken a step backwards at several key positions (Wide Receiver, Safety and Edge Rusher). Less talented players will now be expected to step into starting spots and play more snaps. At other positions, there is also less depth when the inevitable injuries happen (Offensive Line, Defensive Tackle). Not to mention the significant loss of leadership, with five longtime veterans walking out the door (Stefon Diggs, Mitch Morse, Tre White, Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde). The biggest remaining star on defense (Matt Milano) is returning from a major leg injury. Yes, there are still 4 months left until the start of the regular season. But I'm struggling to see the pathway where we can fill all these spots with guys who can make an impact in 2024. The veteran FA market has pretty much dried up, and we won't have cap space until June 1. The rookies who could have made an immediate Year 1 impact are already gone. This team wasn't good enough in 2020, 2021, 2022 and 2023. Can anyone honestly say this roster looks BETTER in 2024? I’ll take these in order: WR: They traded a guy on the north side of 30 who did not play that well the last half of last season. That corresponded to the new OC taking over. So we lost Diggs but until the draft is over we don’t know if we downgraded. S: lost two older guys that had lost a step and replaced with younger guys in Rapp and Edwards O line: lost Morse, good run block but was having trouble with rushing DTs. Added depth with Collins. No problem here. Edge: lost one guy in Floyd who slowed down a lot the last half of the year Biggest star on defense: Milano we will see, but ignoring guys like Oliver and Bernard and Douglas is ridiculous So are we better? Impossible to know until the draft is done, camp is done, and games are played. 54 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: We will see what he does in the next 12 hours. There still was no reason to trade Diggs at this time and make your team worse. They could just have easily kept Diggs and still traded down and still drafted a WR. Now they need to add at least two WRs to even have a roster of 5 NFL caliber WRs. There are still several name UFA out there Beane can add after June 1st. They may already have a deal in place for one of them. I assumed then and do now that Josh was consulted about Diggs and he wanted him gone, that he was tired of the nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 12 hours ago, steven50 said: I was going to do a poll but then realized I had no clue how to do a poll so here is the question: How would you feel if the Bills traded the two 2nd round picks and the third rounder (or some other combination of picks) for a (projected) low to mid/low 1st rounder next year? The cap situation will be a lot better next year and with 2 first round picks and an aggressive free agency that could be the teams "all in" year. Bean went out of his way to say he was already getting calls and I doubt he traded out of the first round twice without the owner in on it so this probably has Pegula's blessing and jobs are safe. If Bills management reasoned they didn't have the firepower (cap space and picks) to substantially upgrade the team this year, then they might have also rationalized why not start planting the seeds for next year. You don’t do thst. it’s common for teams to trade next years 1st for a high 2nd round pick next year they should have their 1st and 2 2nds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 It is about next year - but that means getting talent this year to be ready. We're replacing 7 important pieces on our team this year. Hopefully next year that number is 2-3, and hopefully we aren't depending on the draft for immediate impact starters. This year is just about getting the next generation of guys up to speed while we eat a bunch of bad contracts and hopefully keeping a winning culture going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 I’ve been saying this all year… Regardless of what people want to believe, we are in the beginning of a 2-year mini rebuild…We are not supposed to be legit contenders this year…It’s about building a new foundation…But if it happens, it happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 11 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: This. It's about every year. That's their goal, as they've said many many times. They want to be competitive every year. And there's every chance they'll be competitive this year as long as Allen is healthy. They did this because based on their board and how the draft fell, they felt this was the most effective use of their picks. Doesn't mean anyone else has to agree. But that's what they thought. That's what the Bills have been the past few seasons and from a business perspective it has worked out well for them. They can get the new stadium, probably have enough interest to sell PSL's. Competitive makes great business sense. It can cost a lot to take a shot at the superbowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 13 hours ago, steven50 said: I was going to do a poll but then realized I had no clue how to do a poll so here is the question: Poll is easy, top of starting new post there is a tab to add a poll 13 hours ago, steven50 said: How would you feel if the Bills traded the two 2nd round picks and the third rounder (or some other combination of picks) for a (projected) low to mid/low 1st rounder next year? 0% chance that is happening. Beane literally said he had planned on picking at 32 until Carolina called last minute. So there are guys he likes here and he specifically stated the importance on getting more picks in the first 95 picks as critical to this draft. He isn't gutting all our picks for next year. 13 hours ago, steven50 said: The cap situation will be a lot better next year and with 2 first round picks and an aggressive free agency that could be the teams "all in" year. Bean went out of his way to say he was already getting calls and I doubt he traded out of the first round twice without the owner in on it so this probably has Pegula's blessing and jobs are safe. 0% chance he had to get the Pegulas blessing to move back 4 spots and then 1 spot. That is his job, he isn't on the hot seat, he has the one of the best track records in the NFL since his hiring in the draft. Pegulas are not meddling or signing off on minor routine moves like that. 13 hours ago, steven50 said: If Bills management reasoned they didn't have the firepower (cap space and picks) to substantially upgrade the team this year, then they might have also rationalized why not start planting the seeds for next year. What gives you that idea? Because we moved back 5 spaces in a very deep draft to get a valuable 3rd round pick back we didn't have and added much more value later too? No disrespect, but its like someone of you think the NFL draft is a 1 round thing or bust. 2nd and 3rd round picks are very valuable and its how you build rosters. Moving back 5 picks changed nothing on who we will draft and we added great value to our draft arsenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Beane traded back twice at the end of round 1 because he had no first round grades left. It's as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 with all the draft pics we acumulated i could see this being a year of restocking the shelves with cheap players and then next year being the one we bring in higher end talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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