Big Blitz Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Round 2: Zach Frazier, C West Virginia 4x State Wrestling champ in High School. I’m just sensing this McGovern to Center - feels like a smokescreen. I’m sure they’ll look at it. But come on. We aren’t putting the 2nd most important position on O in the hands of a guy that hasn’t played there much in his career. This is my favorite of the Cs. And I think we might trade up in RD 2 to get him. 7 1 3 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I am curious how many guys drafted beyond round 1 actually get to start year 1 at center. It’s a big time communication rile so to me any rookie starting as a center has to be outright extraordinary. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 We got a lot of guys we are taking in Rounds 1-2… and not many going in Rounds 5-7 where our actual picks are .. 1 17 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 As long as they take WR with their 1st pick, I'm fine with this. NFLdraftbuzz has him ranked 56th overall so he may be sitting there at 60 for the Bills. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, Locomark said: I am curious how many guys drafted beyond round 1 actually get to start year 1 at center. It’s a big time communication rile so to me any rookie starting as a center has to be outright extraordinary. Don't get us started on Creed Humphrey. 3 5 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiracleAtRich1393 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Totally agree on the McGovern smokescreen. I think they're looking at C high, potentially at #28 or early 2nd with a trade back. I'm fine with that IF they clear more cap and make a trade for a guy like Courtland Sutton then take advantage of the WR class depth by taking an upside freak on day 2 and another on day 3 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 McGovern is gonna be that guy. I think they really like Edwards as well as he is a Kromer guy. I do too. McGovern is a natural center, played center in high school, so the dude has been snapping a long time. He will be fine. Draft somebody late sure, but there is no reason to spend a high draft pick on a center. 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 time state wrestling champion in WV is like JV in Ohio, Iowa, PA. 🤣 1 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 6 minutes ago, QCity said: Don't get us started on Creed Humphrey. Linderbaum too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Round 2: Zach Frazier, C West Virginia 4x State Wrestling champ in High School. I’m just sensing this McGovern to Center - feels like a smokescreen. I’m sure they’ll look at it. But come on. We aren’t putting the 2nd most important position on O in the hands of a guy that hasn’t played there much in his career. This is my favorite of the Cs. And I think we might trade up in RD 2 to get him. It's an excellent OL class in general. They can draft interior OL later and have their choice of some prospects with starting potential. Having not gotten that comp pick in round 3 and subsequently only having 2 top 100 picks I don't foresee them taking a center with one of them. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said: . I think they're looking at C high, potentially at #28 That would be grounds for dismissal. WR only round one 1 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: It's an excellent OL class in general. They can draft interior OL later and have their choice of some prospects with starting potential. Having not gotten that comp pick in round 3 and subsequently only having 2 top 100 picks I don't foresee them taking a center with one of them. Trade back 5 spots get another one. Trade up into late round 3. No doubt in my mind going to be some movement for us. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Honestly that’s a good theory brother. Like it 13 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Round 2: Zach Frazier, C West Virginia 4x State Wrestling champ in High School. I’m just sensing this McGovern to Center - feels like a smokescreen. I’m sure they’ll look at it. But come on. We aren’t putting the 2nd most important position on O in the hands of a guy that hasn’t played there much in his career. This is my favorite of the Cs. And I think we might trade up in RD 2 to get him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I hope you're right. Our offensive line played well last year. I would rather only replace one player, than move one and replace another. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Jackson Powers Johnson is the only Center I would consider in round 1 and I expect him to be long gone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 From a WVU super fan buddy of mine: “Started every game since he was a true freshman… …He broke his leg on his last play against Baylor - they were inside 2 minutes and he refused to to go down because it would have caused a 30 second runoff so he hobbled to the sideline after pushing our RB for a first down and then they won on a last second TD… …he is a legend in WVU football. Will play 10 plus years in the league.” 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I don’t think we have to trade up to get him either. Feels like round 1 is best WR no matter what. Round 2 is best player at D line, O line or maybe WR again so definitely could see him holding Pat and taking Frazier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I may be completely alone on this island, but... I think Alec Anderson will get a legit chance to compete to be the starting center, and I think he has a better chance than some might assume to win the job. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I did find it peculiar within 15 minutes of the Morse release, they made it clearly known to beat reporters that McGovern would be moving to center 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Locomark said: I am curious how many guys drafted beyond round 1 actually get to start year 1 at center. It’s a big time communication rile so to me any rookie starting as a center has to be outright extraordinary. Chiefs' Creed Humphrey, who the Bills passed on in the 2nd for Basham, has started and played at a very high level from day 1. Edited March 14 by Turk71 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 He just sent me the clip I’ve been looking for: 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 9 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said: That would be grounds for dismissal. WR only round one Who is going dismiss him? Certainly not Pegula for he will participate when welcome but does not try to direct football decisions which is something posters often complain about from many owners in NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 20 minutes ago, QCity said: Don't get us started on Creed Humphrey. Sorry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 29 minutes ago, Lost said: As long as they take WR with their 1st pick, I'm fine with this. NFLdraftbuzz has him ranked 56th overall so he may be sitting there at 60 for the Bills. CBS Sports has him at 40 OA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Yes he is, they are moving McGovern to center and having Edwards start at his guard position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Talking about the center position. Next week it'll be back to another top safety or DT. Maybe even a RB. These off-seasons get longer every year and I didn't think that was possible about 10 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Yes he is, they are moving McGovern to center and having Edwards start at his guard position. They traded the backup center and released the starter - and immediately said the “plan” was McGovern. They don’t want to telegraph needs. If they didn’t do that the whole league knows that Center becomes a top priority. Saying that at least makes them wonder what we’ll do. A center is very much in play for Miami maybe in RD 1 (trade back a bit for more picks?) and Washington very early in RD 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I'd be fine with taking the guy but not trading up to do it. IMO the Bills need to draft a WR, interior lineman, DT, and Safety all fairly high to assure they work out. Trading up makes that really hard to do without having a 3rd to start with. I'm more in favor of seeing them trade down from 28 to maybe the top of the 2nd and pick up a 3rd in the process. I'm fine too with bundling all those 5th and 6th rounds together into 1 or maybe 2 more 4th rounders. You can get lucky and draft one in the 6th round who may become an all pro, but usually takes more time and the odds aren't good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Not sure I have ever seen a center smokescreen! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Not happening. Edward’s was re-signed to start. We are not investing early-round draft capital on a position of strength. Bates was traded for draft capital, he was the heir apparent at C and became expendable when Edwards signed, because Edwards signed. Edwards is a more-than-capable G and McGovern will do fine at C. End of story. No IOL in rounds 1-3 and probably until the sixth round. (Unless they’re true to the board in Rd 5.) And God I hope I’m right. Let Kromer develop like he is now. He’s a very underrated/highly regarded positional coach, if that’s even possible. I think it may be more of him wanting to do his stuff his way and some HC’s get bothered by it. I say let him work his magic. Sorry for the ramble… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 hours ago, MarkyMannn said: That would be grounds for dismissal. WR only round one Nah. Grounds for dismissal would be focusing on only one position in round one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 You think the second most important position on offense is … Center? Buddy, have I got news for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Rigotz said: You think the second most important position on offense is … Center? Buddy, have I got news for you. All day, yes. Chiefs: Mahomes Creed Humphrey Kelce was mid all season WRs - all bums! Rice came on late but Bills Allen The 2023 Oline Diggs and mid WRs Ravens Linderbaum WRs led by a rookie Eagles - they were so concerned about Kelce they’ve been grooming a guy since 2022 - drafted to take over for him. What other position besides QB do you prepare like that for. Nothing works if the Oline doesn’t. It’s the most important position after QB - show me a team with a great to elite center I guarantee you that team wins games. More than they lose. I'll show you teams with elite WRs that absolutely stink. Edited March 14 by Big Blitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 He’ll have to trade way up in round 2 to get him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 52 minutes ago, Snappysnackcakes said: Not happening. Edward’s was re-signed to start. We are not investing early-round draft capital on a position of strength. Bates was traded for draft capital, he was the heir apparent at C and became expendable when Edwards signed, because Edwards signed. Edwards is a more-than-capable G and McGovern will do fine at C. End of story. Oh, I wouldn't be so certain. It takes a lot of wishful thinking to call center a position of strength right now. If Beane and his scouts all think there's a stud C out there in the 2nd round that can be Josh's "Kent Hull" for the next decade, I bet they would pull the trigger. There's past precedent that they value the position too when they made Morse the highest paid C in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: McGovern is gonna be that guy. I think they really like Edwards as well as he is a Kromer guy. I do too. McGovern is a natural center, played center in high school, so the dude has been snapping a long time. He will be fine. Draft somebody late sure, but there is no reason to spend a high draft pick on a center. Not on center necessarily, but I really want one of the 4th round picks to go to OL. We have to keep the pipeline full on that line. Of our top 4 picks, 2 each on O and D makes sense to me. WR, S, DT/DE and OL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Not on center necessarily, but I really want one of the 4th round picks to go to OL. We have to keep the pipeline full on that line. Of our top 4 picks, 2 each on O and D makes sense to me. WR, S, DT/DE and OL. There’s no pipeline to fill. The OL has 9 spots on the opening day roster. Guys we pick, when we don’t have a spot open, are just picked up on the waiver wire at cut down day. Just look at the last 4 final cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I think they will draft OL. But he will not start. Starting line is set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 17 minutes ago, QCity said: Oh, I wouldn't be so certain. It takes a lot of wishful thinking to call center a position of strength right now. If Beane and his scouts all think there's a stud C out there in the 2nd round that can be Josh's "Kent Hull" for the next decade, I bet they would pull the trigger. There's past precedent that they value the position too when they made Morse the highest paid C in the league. What’s McGovern’s contract? We overpaid for Morse because we had to overpay for Morse. Morse is a good center but nothing special, especially when considering his concussion history. He’s on borrowed time. We moved on at the right time and got lucky this past season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 The depth of the OL class may be one reason they moved on from both Bates and Morse. Cleared salary both this year and in future, and opened up 2 spots, which one was taken by Edwards and I think the other will be a developmental player in rounds 3, 4 or 5. This year's line can be Dawkins-Edwards-McGovern-Torrence-Brown with Alec Anderson, VanDemark and rookie draft pick as first 3 subs. Maybe Tommy Doyle stays healthy this year. That's good planning. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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