Steptide Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: Von has an out that only cost $15 million against the cap if cut him in 2025. I'd rather not touch that term with his status unknown for now. Oh I didn't realize that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: And Taron. I stated before but no on Taron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 3/5/2024 at 2:51 PM, BuffaloBill said: The basis for you even asking this question is that he was extended once before. The Bills need to stop kicking the can down the road on a 32 year old with a concussion history (no - it does not matter how long ago - whet does matter is his history of them).  The Bills, having now traded Bates, are likely to draft his eventual replacement and pay him the $11mil this season.   Well guess we were both right. They didn't kic the can down, but didn't pay the $11 mil either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, Success said:  Just checking around the internet, the general sentiment is that our window is now officially closed.  I agree w/ you. Tre hardly played for us the last couple of years. Hyde & Poyer were kind of starting to hurt us in terms of speed in the secondary.  If Beane nails the draft & we can stay kind of healthy (admittedly, 2 big "ifs), we might even be better heading into '24.  I think you can sign FA Safeties and get the same level of play for cheaper, if that's what he wants to do. I'd probably invest a 3rd rounder.  Tre isn't going to be Tre and that salary was ridiculous after the injuries. It's just like the Miller situation except with Tre we had an out. Gotta take it. Harty? JAG, unfortunately. Can replace him with any number of guys off the street.  Neal? Special teams don't move the needle for me, and the special teams was bad anyways with Neal on the roster.  Morse is the only big name, especially considering we just traded Bates. The Bills are gonna get a lot younger and I think that's going to be to our benefit.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Â 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 5 minutes ago, Steptide said: RE structure Josh and von and we'd be in good shape  DO NOT touch Vons contract. We need out of it next year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, Steptide said: Oh I didn't realize that https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/von-miller-7717/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 A fine day for drinking, indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 41 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: This aged well 😂 On the contrary it was presient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 23 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said: This is all great in theory, but until it’s done, it’s not done. Beane has until 4pm on March 13th to get his top 51 contracts under the 2024 cap. Even if he accomplishes that goal, he still needs to clear another 10-11 million to sign his draft picks and at least 20 mill more to complete his roster unless he chooses to just use draft picks and guys on futures/reserve deals as his depth next season.  By the time they sign the picks, the cap hit from the draft will only be about half that amount. For example, the top pick is slotted to make $2.46 mil, but will knock someone off the top 51 list making $900K, so the net addition will be $1.56 million, and the bottom half of the draft picks may not even count for the top 51. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 I think there hasn’t been a move so far I was saying OUCH too.  morse would likely be the closest but planned for Life after Morse with McGovern. So I think I am even ok with that.  I do like the approach. No more running it back with aging talent kicking the can. Rip the bandaid off. Get cap compliant. Get younger and continue to work.  rather do it now with Josh’s timeline in his career than a year or two from now.  Keep it up Beane. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 6 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: Would be a real shame if you double dog dared the league to suspend Von, thus allowing us to cut him at little cost. Would be terrible. 🤥 I will try to work more Mojo,but Beane really sapped my strength today 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, TPS said: By the time they sign the picks, the cap hit from the draft will only be about half that amount. For example, the top pick is slotted to make $2.46 mil, but will knock someone off the top 51 list making $900K, so the net addition will be $1.56 million, and the bottom half of the draft picks may not even count for the top 51. Not to mention Tres savings in June is the exact amount needed to sign the entire pool without even talking the top 51 rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 18 minutes ago, appoo said: You lose more cap space by cutting him then keeping him, plus started to look spry at the end of the season so some hope of a bounce back Not after 6/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 37 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said:  I gave you the eyeball roll reaction but this post aged quite nicely for you, apparently Beane agrees with you! Props, I didn't see it coming. Maybe Beane was playing his cards close the vest or Morse wasn't willing to play ball with a restructure. Either way, with the news on McGovern moving to center and Edwards to LG (and of course the cap savings) I'm starting to see the light. Like Mitch, but not $8.8 mil worth. Beane is doing the right thing and remaking this team with younger talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 the recap. And it was needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Looking at the Bills roster, they only have 48 active players  QB: 54(1): Allen Camp/PS (1): Buechele  RB: 54(1): Cook Camp/PS (1): Darrynton Evans  WR: 54(3): Diggs, Shakir, Shorter Camp/PS (3): KJ Hamler, Isabella, Tyrell Shavers, Bryan Thompson  TE: 54(2): Kincaid, Knox Camp/PS(2): Tre McKitty, Zach Davidson  T: 54(5) : Van Denmark, Brown, Anderson, Dawkins, Doyle Camp/PS(1): Gouraige  G: 54(2): Edwards, Torrance  C : 54(1): McGovern  DE: 54(2): Von, Rousseau Camp/PS(1): Kinglsey Jonathan  DT: 54(1): Oliver Camp/PS(2): Ankou, Cline  LB: 54(4): Milano, Bernard, Williams, Spector  CB: 54(4): Johnson, Douglas, Elam, Benford Camp/PS(2): Brown, Ingram  S: 54(1): Damar Hamlin Camp/PS(1): Kendall Williamson  P: 54(1): Martin Camp/PS(1): Haack  K: 54 (1): Bass  LS: 54(1): Reid Ferguson  By my Count the Bills have 30 players they'll use on their 54 on the roster currently, and they need to get to 90 for camp.  Beane is gonna earn his salary this off season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, Green Lightning said: Like Mitch, but not $8.8 mil worth. Beane is doing the right thing and remaking this team with younger talent. Yeah I am fine with McGovern going back to Center a position he played in PS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah I am fine with McGovern going back to Center a position he played in PS. To be clear, he only did this his Sophomore year. As a freshman and junior he played guard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Not to mention your Tre, Poyer, Hyde and Morse could all be sitting there still in May.   Just now, appoo said: To be clear, he only did this his Sophomore year. As a freshman and junior he played guard Overall 26 years old.  played center in college full time logged 100 snaps at Center in the NFL  I have NO issue with McGovern at Center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Not to mention your Tre, Poyer, Hyde and Morse could all be sitting there still in May.   Overall 26 years old.  played center in college full time logged 100 snaps at Center in the NFL  I have NO issue with McGovern at Center Me neither, but just wanted to add some context to him playing center at Penn State 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 23 mil in dead cap space is rough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, appoo said: Me neither, but just wanted to add some context to him playing center at Penn State Got it. I really really hope they can get what they want done cap and signing wise without Touching the Diggs or Von Contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 As the Bills official site has already released a statement on the cuts, metjhinks that's all (!) for today...  https://www.buffalobills.com/news/buffalo-bills-release-five-players-including-jordan-poyer-mitch-morse-and-siran-neal  The Buffalo Bills announced the release of the following players Wednesday: safety Jordan Poyer, center Mitch Morse, defensive back Siran Neal, wide receiver Deonte Harty and running back Nyheim Hines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMaxPower Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 It kind of feels like McD has some new found confidence in their ability to coach up and play rookies/inexperienced players. Â All the defensive injuries lead to a bunch of players getting a baptism by fire and, for the most part, they filled in admirably. Maybe a small silver lining to last season. Â Nice to see them go full 'reset' and pull off the band-aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: 23 mil in dead cap space is rough Better to do it in any single season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: 23 mil in dead cap space is rough Thats life in the nfl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, Nephilim17 said: As the Bills official site has already released a statement on the cuts, metjhinks that's all (!) for today...  https://www.buffalobills.com/news/buffalo-bills-release-five-players-including-jordan-poyer-mitch-morse-and-siran-neal  The Buffalo Bills announced the release of the following players Wednesday: safety Jordan Poyer, center Mitch Morse, defensive back Siran Neal, wide receiver Deonte Harty and running back Nyheim Hines.  Strange they didn't list White. Maybe because he's a post June 1st cut and they can't yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: 23 mil in dead cap space is rough Please post this on the Broncos board 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 With more releases (so far) than restructures, I wonder if that means Beane will be aggressive trading futures for more picks this year. We need players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Also let me say this now. If Bills can get what they want done this season without touching Diggs or Millers contracts. Those will be the two contracts Bills walk from next offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Were getting younger and probably a year late on a few of these guys I'm glad they are shaking things up Find some new young players Don't see anything we cant possible at least match if not significantly upgrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said: Please post this on the Broncos board 😂  I looked ahead at the 2025 cap, and they don't list any dead money. I'm going to assume they just haven't updated it yet. Half of Tre's 10 mil should hit next year.  We are also 40 mil under next years cap. Which, with these cuts, Josh locked in, and the cap going up again, isn't a bad place to be in. Also, next year is the year they could move on from Diggs, Miller, and Knox if they wanted to. It would only save them 15 mil total, but could be worth it Just now, MAJBobby said: Also let me say this now. If Bills can get what they want done this season without touching Diggs or Millers contracts. Those will be the two contracts Bills walk from next offseason.  Agreed 100%. I only wanted to see them restructure Oliver, Josh, Milano, and Dawkins.  1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, Virgil said:  I looked ahead at the 2025 cap, and they don't list any dead money. I'm going to assume they just haven't updated it yet. Half of Tre's 10 mil should hit next year.  We are also 40 mil under next years cap. Which, with these cuts, Josh locked in, and the cap going up again, isn't a bad place to be in. Also, next year is the year they could move on from Diggs, Miller, and Knox if they wanted to. It would only save them 15 mil total, but could be worth it  Agreed 100%. I only wanted to see them restructure Oliver, Josh, Milano, and Dawkins.   The fact they didn’t go right to the restructure game. And instead the hard choices. Tells me that Beane saw this group is at its ceiling and time for a reset.  smart pulling off the bandaid the same year the team competing in your division has same cap issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, BBFL said:  Does anyone have any updated number for the cap and where we are at after all the moves made so far today?  Please and thank you. 🤘  Spotrac is keeping up pretty well. It's -$16M with $10M added to the cap June 1st.  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Gonna miss those guys, i think the worst part for me as a fan is watching contributors like po and morse walk to save pennies compared to what we pay von to be a scare crow. But I'm happy so far. Get younger and cheaper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DrMaxPower said: It kind of feels like McD has some new found confidence in their ability to coach up and play rookies/inexperienced players.  All the defensive injuries lead to a bunch of players getting a baptism by fire and, for the most part, they filled in admirably. Maybe a small silver lining to last season.  Nice to see them go full 'reset' and pull off the band-aid.  Yea, I can see the team being even better honestly:  Offense:  OL: You hope Edwards and McGovern settle into their new roles well, Torrance & Brown both should be getting better - it should be on of the better units in the league. Need to find some decent depth at guard and center  RB: Cook is fine as premier back, need to sign/draft some specialist behind him, and a developmental guy who can step in and take 15-20 carries just in case (he screams 4-5th round pick to me)  TE: need to find a pure blocking TE, and I'd entertain trades for Knox  WR: Need to add a pair of deep threats, 1 in the draft and 1 in FA. The Bills actually are quite good/borderline elite when it comes to short and intermediate routes, and if they do add 2 legit deep threats the Offense is better than last seasons  Defense:  Here things are real dicey.  DT: You have Oliver, and you desperately need to resign Jones to start at 1T. Beyond that you're likely looking at 3 more players who can be on the 54, and probably another 1T for the PS  DE: You have your 2 starts, and if Von is even semi back you're good with that. Would be great to re-sign AJE, but regardless you need 3 more dudes or so for thr 54 either through FA or Draft  LB: You can pretty much stand pat here, but you want to find some guys for the PS who can step up. Think about an eventual replacement for Milano as well  CB: You roll with the 3 you have now, and add another depth guy, while also finding someone who can back up Taron Johnson in the slot  Safety: This position is a mess  All in all you have real hope for the front 7, and especially love the potential of the LB room, if they can add some speed at safety that will help out the corners quite a bit. Edited March 6 by appoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 46 minutes ago, FireChans said: Someone has to explain how Von survives these cuts math 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said: math And also need. FA DEs are expensive AF - with no guarantee you actually upgrade Von Edited March 6 by appoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 48 minutes ago, FireChans said: Someone has to explain how Von survives these cuts why does someone need to explain this, letting him go will cost us 6 million more. Â Â Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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