Punching Bag Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Due to hyperinflation of NFL teams value NFL owners appear poised to allow institutional capital into the league, but important details of the plan are still up in the air. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-continues-to-wrestle-with-its-ownership-problem Seems natural since at beginning of football many teams were sponsored or owned by companies. They are talking about owners of team being institutionalized (yes I know some owners belong in institutions) but what about NFL which often makes irrational decisions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Without reading.. BlackRock is buying it up ? Why not, they own everything else. 1 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 And this Monday nights game is Walmart vs Exxon/Mobil and don't forget to join us Wednesday night for the game between Amazon and McDonalds. 1 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 58 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: And this Monday nights game is Walmart vs Exxon/Mobil and don't forget to join us Wednesday night for the game between Amazon and McDonalds. I can’t begin to tell you how much just the thought of such a thing happening would suck…, Another example of the NFL owners Fuh king up a good thing, can ya say Greedflation? Edited February 18 by Don Otreply 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I have seen it happen in soccer to an extent. The local rich guy done good is priced out by the billionaire and then the billionaire is priced out by the conglomerate. It is the inveitable result of capitalism. Sports franchises retain their value better than almost any other asset. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 56 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I have seen it happen in soccer to an extent. The local rich guy done good is priced out by the billionaire and then the billionaire is priced out by the conglomerate. It is the inveitable result of capitalism. Sports franchises retain their value better than almost any other asset. How is a player going to react when he is cut so the board can get bonuses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 9 Isles Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 This is nuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 4 hours ago, Punching Bag said: How is a player going to react when he is cut so the board can get bonuses? A. The NFL is a money making machine. Boards won't need to cut an individual player to make profits that secure their bonuses; and B. Even if that were not the case the current model already treats the players like pawns in the game, especially compared to sports with fully guaranteed contracts. The corporate machine already doesn't care. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I've been thinking about buying a curling team. Anyone want to go in with me? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Given the valuations of teams, it's not surprising. Not many individuals who can afford one so if the NFL needs bigger pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 hours ago, sleeby said: I've been thinking about buying a curling team. Anyone want to go in with me? You must have 'rocks' in your head. 🤔 * 😉😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 15 hours ago, frostbitmic said: And this Monday nights game is Walmart vs Exxon/Mobil and don't forget to join us Wednesday night for the game between Amazon and McDonalds. ... at Bank of America Stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 Patches on uniforms like NASCAR are next with groin area patch by MANSCAPED®. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) I’ve had this vision for some time. It came to me in March of 2021. I bought an 85 inch Samsung TV for +/- $3,200. Say you add another $1,000 for surround sound and you get to $4,200. Hubs, remote, Sonos, install and I was in for $8,000. This was quite a leap for me in terms of size and cost. I’d never had more than one television in my house and my largest was 52 inches. I thought THAT was huge. With today’s pricing, the same thing would cost $6,000. At approximately the same time, the Bills and other franchises were talking about $1.2 to 2.0 billion stadiums for 8 to 12 games a year. Sure, that cost is amortized over 20 years, but it remains huge relative to usage. Football is a made for television sport. With multiple game options, sponsorship and advertising money, slow motion, instant replay, split screens, freeze frame, high definition, and fantasy interest, you have a great product for broadcast. It occurred to me that the league could build four stadiums in a destination city and play four games at 1 pm, 4 pm and 8 pm on a Sunday. That’s 12 of the sixteen played each week. Toss in Monday and Thursday, and you could get a full schedule played in each week for the cost of four stadiums. The economics seemed compelling to me. You may decide building 40,000 seat arenas makes sense and sell “all day” packages for one, two or three games. Let’s say the league chose Las Vegas with all of its entertainment, dining, resort and gambling. I see substantially more revenue and substantially less cost. The obstacle in my mind was fandom and team loyalty. The Buffalo Bills, and its Mafia, have Buffalo. How would that translate if the “Buffalo Bills” played in Las Vegas? Not perfectly and you’d have fallout. Now, I see this. There would have to be a transition period, but I can see the Bills becoming the Apple iBills, or the Nokia Bills. There’d be grumbling and you’d lose some interest. But, like most things, there’d be an evolution. There are 8 billion people in the world to find replacement interest among fans content to stay home, pay less, lose the tailgate experience, and watch the world’s first essentially all broadcast sport. Ladies and gentleman, enjoy your living room and home entertainment system (with it’s smart home, work from home, concert, movie and news capabilities) presented by the suddenly much more profitable and valuable World Football League. The arena would have fast food, fine dining, casinos and concert halls. Today’s game features the Apple iBillls vs Volkswagon Fahrvergnugens. Edited February 18 by Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Multi-year plan to build a team? No. Quarterly earnings and CEOs with short-term thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Heh. The high book value teams, the Cowboys and the Redskins, could be traded on the NASDAQ. Or at least the OTC market. And why is the book value of the Redskins so high. They have sucked for a couple of decades now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Malazan Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, benderbender said: Everything you read on the internet is true! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, benderbender said: Wait, I'm allowed to gamble on the WWE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, boater said: Heh. The high book value teams, the Cowboys and the Redskins, could be traded on the NASDAQ. Or at least the OTC market. And why is the book value of the Redskins so high. They have sucked for a couple of decades now. The reason why WTF book value is so high is due to mismanagement which under right management with sufficient changes would be much, much more valuable. Almost all of $nyder's actions took value away from team. It of all of the NFL has the largest capability of increasing value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 Arthur Blank on PE (private equity) in the NFL: ‘There Are Models That Can Work’ https://frontofficesports.com/arthur-blank-on-pe-in-the-nfl-there-are-models-that-can-work/ Quote The NFL is the only one of the big four sports leagues that does not allow private equity investment—but it’s up for discussion. There’s an owners committee studying whether to lift the NFL’s rule, and that group will potentially offer up some options for a vote to reverse the bylaw at the upcoming owners meetings in Orlando, March 24–27, Falcons owner Arthur Blank tells Front Office Sports. “The value of the franchises are reaching such levels, the opportunity to have more flexibility to provide financing and keep a family in control without having to sell major blocks of their ownership—there are models that can work,” says Blank, who’s on the five-person committee discussing PE. “It’s something the NFL is looking at from a positive standpoint, but we’ll see how it shakes out.” Quote Blank, for his part, suggests another reason to allow PE: keeping teams within families when an owner passes and leaves a big tax bill. Selling a slice of the franchise to private equity can raise those funds for the heirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/17/2024 at 7:05 PM, GunnerBill said: I have seen it happen in soccer to an extent. The local rich guy done good is priced out by the billionaire and then the billionaire is priced out by the conglomerate. It is the inveitable result of capitalism. Sports franchises retain their value better than almost any other asset. And then the conglomerates get priced out by entire countries, literally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Teams are rarely sold. How would an investor group cash out? If they sold their limited partnership share to someone else, how does each subsequent fractional institutional fractional owner reap their reward? I guess these portions of the ownership of a team can trade endlessly on speculation. But the reality is that the team will likely not be sold for decades. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/17/2024 at 6:03 PM, frostbitmic said: And this Monday nights game is Walmart vs Exxon/Mobil and don't forget to join us Wednesday night for the game between Amazon and McDonalds. I love when McDonald's scores, they do the Shamrock Shake 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I think that would be bad for the league long term. Private Equity groups have a ruined so many previously strong family businesses in recent decades. But it does make sense, there aren't too many individuals who can buy a majority share of an NFL club with values now exceeding $5B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 If ANY private equity firm was involved in the future of the Bills, I AM OUT... they destroy everything they touch. The Bundesliga fan protests are warranted and most Americans have no idea this trend is kicking up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 6 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: If ANY private equity firm was involved in the future of the Bills, I AM OUT... they destroy everything they touch. The Bundesliga fan protests are warranted and most Americans have no idea this trend is kicking up. If NFL could not handle players kneeling well I cannot see them handling this kind of protest. I agree about equity firms and have had issues with investments when they bought in. I was very surprised there were not more protests in Cleveland after trade from Texans for QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, Punching Bag said: If NFL could not handle players kneeling well I cannot see them handling this kind of protest. I agree about equity firms and have had issues with investments when they bought in. I was very surprised there were not more protests in Cleveland after trade from Texans for QB. I have noticed a major decline in quality from several businesses and when I do some research, I see that they were bought by a private equity firm and frankly it's getting out of hand. If you examine the businesses which fall under Bain Capital alone you will see what I mean... AMC Theatres, Artisan Entertainment, Aspen Education Group, Apex Tool Group, Brookstone, Burger King, Burlington Coat Factory, Canada Goose, DIC Entertainment, Domino's Pizza, DoubleClick, Dunkin' Donuts, D&M Holdings, Guitar Center, Hospital Corporation of America (HCA), iHeartMedia, ITP Aero, KB Toys, Sealy, Sports Authority, Staples, Toys "R" Us, Virgin Australia, Warner Music Group, Fingerhut, Athenahealth, The Weather Channel, Varsity Brands and Apple Leisure Group. How many of those companies are BETTER in quality and service since they took over? Edited February 20 by EasternOHBillsFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 This could be the Chiefs future look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Institutionally supported football leagues have succeeded... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, frostbitmic said: This could be the Chiefs future look. Actually based on how NFL is treating that team they are renamed the Kansas City Burger Kings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) On 2/17/2024 at 11:26 PM, sleeby said: I've been thinking about buying a curling team. Anyone want to go in with me? On 2/18/2024 at 3:11 AM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: You must have 'rocks' in your head. 🤔 * 😉😁 SWEEP! Nothing more satisfying after cartoons went off the air on Saturday afternoon, during the winter, than dialing up a curling match Edited February 20 by ddaryl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 20 minutes ago, ddaryl said: SWEEP! Nothing more satisfying after cartoons went off the air on Saturday afternoon, during the winter, than dialing up a curling match Too much finesse with all that subtlety and sweeping. You ain't trying unless your rock ends up two rinks over. A variation on my billiards philosophy of hit them hard enough, something will go in. 😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 hours ago, frostbitmic said: This could be the Chiefs future look. I mean, how long until we see this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 It won't be long before 5 entities OWN EVERYTHING IN THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY. Enjoy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) Well in a way isn't that what's happening now ? Walmart owns the Broncos basically, Pegs made his money in Natural gas he owns JKLM Energy and i'm sure there are many other owners that made their money in other areas of business before becoming NFL owners . I think this may be more to do with Roger wanting to expand the NFL & there not being enough individual Billionaires to afford the expansion to Europe, Mexico, and other countries . Which i for one hope fails miserably !! Keep the NFL a American treasure instead of out sourcing it like America has done everything else ... Leave that to the other football/soccer teams ! Edited February 23 by T master 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NoHuddleKelly12 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 On 2/20/2024 at 11:27 AM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Too much finesse with all that subtlety and sweeping. You ain't trying unless your rock ends up two rinks over. A variation on my billiards philosophy of hit them hard enough, something will go in. 😁 Yet another opportunity to blame Canada! 🤔 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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