What is your unpopular Bills opinion?

[NoSaint]

15 minutes ago, boyst said:

This is where I struggle. Tarkenton is my go to. I never saw him play beyond highlights and lore. He was a very good QB that made the HOF but I could not consider him better than Favre, Brees, Rodgers, etc because on paper how can I compare someone i never saw in a game 50 years ago to a game I barely remember in the late 80s and Steve Young. 

 

It just opens a can of beans for the whole thing.

 

Brees 100% is among the best 20 QBs in the modern 25 year era. Beyond that it's too much debate and effort to say who is where beyond the Montana, Manning, Brady debate. 

Oh yea, you stretch far enough back and it’s barely comparing the same game/same position, right?

 

what’s the best car of all time, the Tesla or the model t? Sure they are both cars, and can be compared to others in their era but it almost feels silly to rank them against each other 

[GASabresIUFan]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Now that’s unpopular!

I know.  People here keep saying trade up to get X receiver or trade everything to get y receiver.  Sadly that is a sure way to fail this off-season given we are 50 million over the cap and have 22 UFAs.

 

Given the depth at WR & S in this draft and our desperate need for young, cost-controlled, defensive talent at safety, DT, and Edge, getting a 4th top 100 pick by trading down 3-7 slots from 28 will go a long way toward filling those holes while getting us the WR we need to replace Davis.  

 

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=gb

 

When looking at this chart the 28th pick is worth 660 "points."  Sliding down to say 35 or 36 will net us an additional late 3rd rd pick.  If the team is desperate enough we could get a pick in the mid 80's instead of 90's.  A perfect partner for us could be Ari who has 27, 35, 66, 71 & 90.  I'd trade 28 (and 201 or 205 if necessary) for 35 & 90.

Edited February 15 by GASabresIUFan

[section122]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

Brees has a very pass friendly offense on a team that put almost all of their efforts into offense. Great WRs, good TEs, and useful RBs. That helped a lot.

 

Where is testeverde on your list?

Firmly behind Rich gannon and all those guys we both listed.  I never thought Testaverde was very good.  He's way down my list.  We haven't even mentioned kelly Moon Cunningham and Im sure more.

 

Now that we've been talking about it, I think it would be interesting to try and put together my top 20....

[Maynard]

[Ethan in Cleveland]

7 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I know.  People here keep saying trade up to get X receiver or trade everything to get y receiver.  Sadly that is a sure way to fail this off-season given we are 50 million over the cap and have 22 UFAs.

 

Given the depth at WR & S, in this draft and our desperate need for young, cost-controlled, defensive talent at safety, DT, and Edge, getting a 4th top 100 pick by trading down 3-7 slots from 28 will go a long way toward filling those holes while getting us the WR we need to replace Davis.  

 

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=gb

 

When looking at this chart the 28th pick is worth 660 "points."  Sliding down to say 35 or 36 will net us an additional late 3rd rd pick.  If the team is desperate enough we could get a pick in the mid 80's instead of 90's.  A perfect partner for us could be Ari who has 27, 35, 66, 71 & 90.  I'd trade 28 (and 201 or 205 if necessary) for 35 & 90.

Has Beane ever traded down?

I love the idea. I dont care about the fifth year option.  Allen's window to win a SB may be closed 5 years from now. 

Trade down get a cheaper just as good of a player in the second round and an extra player in the third round. 

Love it. Two WR, Edge, and S or OT in top three rounds

 

 

[Talley56]

While I do believe Josh is great and he has the ability to lead us to the promised land in the future, I believe he deserves just as much blame for this year's divisional playoff loss as the rest of the team.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

On 2/12/2024 at 11:59 PM, BigDingus said:

 

I'd sooner believe Tom Brady will come out of retirement to play RB for the Jets next year... 

My unpopular opinion:

 

Josh Allen IS a turnover machine... He's just good enough to make up for it. 

Except he doesn’t turn the ball over in the playoffs. 21:4 TD to pick ratio is pretty solid!
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/josh-allen-playoff-stats

 

Unpopular opinion: Morse needs to go now. I know we skated by in 2023, but he’s a health liability both for himself and the team if he’s our starting C again in 2024. 

[GASabresIUFan]

9 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Has Beane ever traded down?

I love the idea. I dont care about the fifth year option.  Allen's window to win a SB may be closed 5 years from now. 

Trade down get a cheaper just as good of a player in the second round and an extra player in the third round. 

Love it. Two WR, Edge, and S or OT in top three rounds

 

 

No not in the 1st, but last year he traded down 3 times to get extra draft capital in the draft after moving up a few slots to get Kincaid in the first.

[JTown]

On 2/13/2024 at 9:38 AM, Patrick Fitzryan said:

We're about 18 months away from hearing rumors that Allen wants a fresh start and is "open" to being traded.

Hmmmm....

McClappy  should get a couple defensive picks from that trade. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

No not in the 1st, but last year he traded down 3 times to get extra draft capital in the draft after moving up a few slots to get Kincaid in the first.

Yeah those were good moves. I truly don't think any player 5th round or later is any better than an UDFA. I like the idea of trading out of those spots and picking up extra picks the following year. 

Trading out of the first round though is all about getting 4 guys in the top 100 instead of 3.

[gtw3]

McDermott is a great leader of men and head coach.  Beane is a top 5 GM in the league.  Each post-season, it just comes down to health and a few bounces to determine who wins it all.

 

And lastly,  Our time will come.

 

 

[Another Fan]

The ambulance with Bills Mafia written on it that comes on the field looks kinda tacky 

 

[Shortchaz]

Bills should get rid of every defensive player over 25 and every offensive player over 27 this offseason.

[GASabresIUFan]

22 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I truly don't think any player 5th round or later is any better than an UDFA.

The Bills draft history says otherwise.  I agree with you generally on 6th rd or later and that is reflected on the draft chart I linked earlier.

 

However, Beane and Watney had a pretty good 5th track record.  Since 2017, the Bills have drafted Milano, Neal, Wyatt Teller (all-pro G Beane let go way too early), Doyle, Shakir, and Shorter.  Shorter and Doyle are still unknowns, but getting Milano, Teller, and Shakir is pretty amazing. 

 

They have done pretty well in the 6th and 7th.  McCloud, Dane Jackson, Bass, Hodgins, Spector, and Benford are all 6th or 7th-round picks.  Benford is the real gem, but McCloud and Jackson have very solid careers, and Spector shows some good promise. 

 

Honestly, given our cap and depth issues, I want as many lottery tickets in this draft as possible.

Edited February 15 by GASabresIUFan

[Matt_In_NH]

6 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Except he doesn’t turn the ball over in the playoffs. 21:4 TD to pick ratio is pretty solid!
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/josh-allen-playoff-stats

 

Unpopular opinion: Morse needs to go now. I know we skated by in 2023, but he’s a health liability both for himself and the team if he’s our starting C again in 2024. 

I assume you are talking about concussions.  I assume you feel the same with taron Johnson?  He has had the same number.  
 

I am not the least bit concerned with his health.    He is fine and has been very heathy and played most games.  However they should consider moving on for cap purposes.  Bates is still in the roster 

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Has Beane ever traded down?

I love the idea. I dont care about the fifth year option.  Allen's window to win a SB may be closed 5 years from now. 

Trade down get a cheaper just as good of a player in the second round and an extra player in the third round. 

Love it. Two WR, Edge, and S or OT in top three rounds

 

 

 

Traded down twice before he picked James Cook in the 2nd too. Think that is it. End of the 2nd in 2022 and then day 3 trade backs last year. 

 

The 2022 trade backs he pretty nuch admitted they had no second round grades left so were into a bunch of guys at the top of their 3rd round board.

 

Last year I don't know, but I suspect, they had emptied their entire board out so every time someone called they said yes and if nobody called they were picking guys they'd marked up as potential priority free agents. I have said before (though I don't know this it is just a feeling based on how they operate and how they have drafted) that they are one of the teams working with a smaller draft board. Not Belichickian 80 to 90 players maybe but certainly not far into three figures. 

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, boyst said:

Spent the day thinking of this...so this continues unposted.

 

Tomlin comes to mind for what he has done. Not as much weighted for what he could do. The same is true for Belichick and Carrol.  That's 3 off the bat

 

McVay, Reid, LeFleuer, Taylor, Campbell. All obvious. That's 8 total.

 

 

I don't think Taylor is a better coach than McDermott. Nor do I think it is obvious that Dan Campbell is. He has done an excellent job turning around the Lions. McDermott did an excellent job turning around the Bills. But the next step is to turn that into winning. 

 

I know the answer will come back "but McDermott has Josh Allen!" yes.... but he keeps losing to Patrick Mahomes. I'll repeat again if McDermott was losing to bums in the playoffs it would be a different matter. I'd be where a lot of you guys are. To be honest if he had lost x3 in the playoffs to Joe Burrow and Zac Tayor and x1 to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid I'd be there too. But he keeps losing to a dynasty and a QB who is going to be in the GOAT conversation. Our last 4 games against Kansas City have gone down to the final drive and we are 2-2. Sadly they have won the two that mattered most. McDermott is to blame for 13 seconds. There is no question there and some can't get past that, which I understand, but don't agree with. Otherwise I think we just have to keep banging on the door and one of those tight playoff meetings will go our way. 

[Kirby Jackson]

30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think Taylor is a better coach than McDermott. Nor do I think it is obvious that Dan Campbell is. He has done an excellent job turning around the Lions. McDermott did an excellent job turning around the Bills. But the next step is to turn that into winning. 

 

I know the answer will come back "but McDermott has Josh Allen!" yes.... but he keeps losing to Patrick Mahomes. I'll repeat again if McDermott was losing to bums in the playoffs it would be a different matter. I'd be where a lot of you guys are. To be honest if he had lost x3 in the playoffs to Joe Burrow and Zac Tayor and x1 to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid I'd be there too. But he keeps losing to a dynasty and a QB who is going to be in the GOAT conversation. Our last 4 games against Kansas City have gone down to the final drive and we are 2-2. Sadly they have won the two that mattered most. McDermott is to blame for 13 seconds. There is no question there and some can't get past that, which I understand, but don't agree with. Otherwise I think we just have to keep banging on the door and one of those tight playoff meetings will go our way. 

Gunner, you know that I think the world of you. You are one of the most knowledgeable and best posters on this board. I rarely disagree with you but this particular topic we don’t see the same way at all.
 

You use Taylor as an example of someone that you don’t think is better. You excuse McDermott because it is the Mahomes-led Chiefs that he can’t beat in the big moments. Taylor has beaten them there with LESS talent/qb play. He also came into Buffalo, in the big game, and did the schooled McDermott. Make it make sense…

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Gunner, you know that I think the world of you. You are one of the most knowledgeable and best posters on this board. I rarely disagree with you but this particular topic we don’t see the same way at all.
 

You use Taylor as an example of someone that you don’t think is better. You excuse McDermott because it is the Mahomes-led Chiefs that he can’t beat in the big moments. Taylor has beaten them there with LESS talent/qb play. He also came into Buffalo, in the big game, and did the schooled McDermott. Make it make sense…

 

The 2022 playoff game here I totally throw out. I don't think he schooled McDermott. I just think the Bills did not turn up at all. I don't think Vince Lombardi as Head Coach with Belichick as DC and Walsh as OC would have won that game for the Bills that day. The players just looked done to my eye. They played with zero energy the whole game and Josh Allen looked like a zombie. I throw that out. It wasn't a coaching loss. It was a total team loss. It was over from the first drives on each side. It is the only game the Bills have lost by more than a single score since November 2021. 

 

Sure Taylor had a great win in KC in a playoff game. I don't take that away from him at all. But that was a game that went to overtime that came down to a play here and a play there and went the Bengals way. I see Taylor coach poorly way too often in regular season games. Their own fans will tell you he isn't that much cop as a playcaller and basically gets bailed out by having Joe Burrow, Ja'marr Chase and Tee Higgins. I don't think the Bills are incapable of beating the Chiefs in the playoffs. We have beaten the Chiefs twice in the last two years where it has been a play here or a play there that has gone our way. In the post-season those plays have gone their way. I don't think that is a reflection of coaching (with the 13 second exception). The Bills this year were right were they needed to be in that game despite all their injuries on defense and just couldn't finish. 

 

If people want to take the "he should have been fired after 13 seconds" position I understand it, don't agree, but understand. If he'd have missed the playoffs this season I'd have fired him - that is fireable in my book when you have Josh Allen. But losing by a field goal to Mahomes and Reid in the playoffs isn't fireable and certainly isn't a reflection on who he is as a coach. If he starts losing playoff games where he has a clear Quarterback advantage I'll start calling for him to be fired, I assure you. If he starts missing the playoffs, likewise. Equally if it gets back to "actually we are getting blown out by Mahomes" then fine, move on. But losing a game that could have gone either way and where we were right there... no. That doesn't tell me we have the wrong coach. 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think Taylor is a better coach than McDermott. Nor do I think it is obvious that Dan Campbell is. He has done an excellent job turning around the Lions. McDermott did an excellent job turning around the Bills. But the next step is to turn that into winning. 

 

I know the answer will come back "but McDermott has Josh Allen!" yes.... but he keeps losing to Patrick Mahomes. I'll repeat again if McDermott was losing to bums in the playoffs it would be a different matter. I'd be where a lot of you guys are. To be honest if he had lost x3 in the playoffs to Joe Burrow and Zac Tayor and x1 to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid I'd be there too. But he keeps losing to a dynasty and a QB who is going to be in the GOAT conversation. Our last 4 games against Kansas City have gone down to the final drive and we are 2-2. Sadly they have won the two that mattered most. McDermott is to blame for 13 seconds. There is no question there and some can't get past that, which I understand, but don't agree with. Otherwise I think we just have to keep banging on the door and one of those tight playoff meetings will go our way. 

I have to give it to Taylor as better because he has succeeded against McDermott when it matters most and beaten the Cheifs with Reid, Spagnola, and Bienemy. 

 

I think Campbell has done as much as McDermott with lesser talent but only by slightly. The Lions 2023 roster on offense was pretty stacked but the Bills 2020 and 2021 roster was just as stacked. Campbell reminds me of McDermott by failing when it matters but I give respect to him for having the guts to go for it

[boyst]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The 2022 playoff game here I totally throw out. I don't think he schooled McDermott. I just think the Bills did not turn up at all. I don't think Vince Lombardi as Head Coach with Belichick as DC and Walsh as OC would have won that game for the Bills that day. The players just looked done to my eye. They played with zero energy the whole game and Josh Allen looked like a zombie. I throw that out. It wasn't a coaching loss. It was a total team loss. It was over from the first drives on each side. It is the only game the Bills have lost by more than a single score since November 2021. 

 

Sure Taylor had a great win in KC in a playoff game. I don't take that away from him at all. But that was a game that went to overtime that came down to a play here and a play there and went the Bengals way. I see Taylor coach poorly way too often in regular season games. Their own fans will tell you he isn't that much cop as a playcaller and basically gets bailed out by having Joe Burrow, Ja'marr Chase and Tee Higgins. I don't think the Bills are incapable of beating the Chiefs in the playoffs. We have beaten the Chiefs twice in the last two years where it has been a play here or a play there that has gone our way. In the post-season those plays have gone their way. I don't think that is a reflection of coaching (with the 13 second exception). The Bills this year were right were they needed to be in that game despite all their injuries on defense and just couldn't finish. 

 

If people want to take the "he should have been fired after 13 seconds" position I understand it, don't agree, but understand. If he'd have missed the playoffs this season I'd have fired him - that is fireable in my book when you have Josh Allen. But losing by a field goal to Mahomes and Reid in the playoffs isn't fireable and certainly isn't a reflection on who he is as a coach. If he starts losing playoff games where he has a clear Quarterback advantage I'll start calling for him to be fired, I assure you. If he starts missing the playoffs, likewise. Equally if it gets back to "actually we are getting blown out by Mahomes" then fine, move on. But losing a game that could have gone either way and where we were right there... no. That doesn't tell me we have the wrong coach. 

i don't think anyone expected the Bills to beat the Bengals that day. I also think the Chiefs were so beaten by us that they had no chance to be the hyped up and dialed in Bengals.

 

I am at the point where the more I think about what do to I get caught up and trip do not want to think anymore on it.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The 2022 playoff game here I totally throw out. I don't think he schooled McDermott. I just think the Bills did not turn up at all. I don't think Vince Lombardi as Head Coach with Belichick as DC and Walsh as OC would have won that game for the Bills that day. The players just looked done to my eye. They played with zero energy the whole game and Josh Allen looked like a zombie. I throw that out. It wasn't a coaching loss. It was a total team loss. It was over from the first drives on each side. It is the only game the Bills have lost by more than a single score since November 2021. 

 

Sure Taylor had a great win in KC in a playoff game. I don't take that away from him at all. But that was a game that went to overtime that came down to a play here and a play there and went the Bengals way. I see Taylor coach poorly way too often in regular season games. Their own fans will tell you he isn't that much cop as a playcaller and basically gets bailed out by having Joe Burrow, Ja'marr Chase and Tee Higgins. I don't think the Bills are incapable of beating the Chiefs in the playoffs. We have beaten the Chiefs twice in the last two years where it has been a play here or a play there that has gone our way. In the post-season those plays have gone their way. I don't think that is a reflection of coaching (with the 13 second exception). The Bills this year were right were they needed to be in that game despite all their injuries on defense and just couldn't finish. 

 

If people want to take the "he should have been fired after 13 seconds" position I understand it, don't agree, but understand. If he'd have missed the playoffs this season I'd have fired him - that is fireable in my book when you have Josh Allen. But losing by a field goal to Mahomes and Reid in the playoffs isn't fireable and certainly isn't a reflection on who he is as a coach. If he starts losing playoff games where he has a clear Quarterback advantage I'll start calling for him to be fired, I assure you. If he starts missing the playoffs, likewise. Equally if it gets back to "actually we are getting blown out by Mahomes" then fine, move on. But losing a game that could have gone either way and where we were right there... no. That doesn't tell me we have the wrong coach. 

I think that Campbell is fair. That really is personal preference. They both took bad programs and made them relevant. Neither has gotten over the hump. I prefer Campbell’s fiery nature but you could certainly make a case, at this point, for McDermott over Campbell.

 

I don’t see it with Taylor. We can’t just disqualify his win, in Buffalo, over McDermott, in the playoffs, because the Bills were worn out. We can’t downplay, his win, in Arrowhead, over Reid. Those things HAPPENED. He has succeeded in the moments that McDermott has failed. I don’t believe that it is reasonable to have McDermott over Taylor. He has gotten closer to the goal while overcoming McDermott and Reid. 
 

Maybe there is a cultural difference as well. The US is a ring-counting culture. Lebron’s numbers, longevity and sustained success will never be touched. Jordan is still generally considered the GOAT. He has 6 titles in 6 tries. LeBron has 3.5 titles in 9.5 finals appearances.
 

The Bills have been good since McDermott got here. They have never reached their ceiling with him. Both of those things are ABSOLUTELY true. There are somewhere between 3-5 years, in his tenure, where the Bills ceiling was a Super Bowl Title. He has 0 Super Bowl Appearances. That’s not acceptable. Just because you can win 12 games, and a playoff game every year, with Josh Allen, doesn’t mean you’re doing a good job. That team, with that QB, SHOULD be doing that every year. I strongly believe that many others could have gotten this team further.

The goal, every year is the Super Bowl. You don’t have the talent to do it every year but that’s the goal. In McDermott’s tenure, he has had that talent. He shouldn’t be judged against Rex or Jauron or Marrone. He should be judged against high end rosters with ELITE QBs. He has failed when you do that.

Edited February 15 by Kirby Jackson

[boyst]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that Campbell is fair. That really is personal preference. They both took bad programs and made them relevant. Neither has gotten over the hump. I prefer Campbell’s furry nature but you could certainly make a case, at this point, for McDermott over Campbell.

 

I don’t see it with Taylor. We can’t just disqualify his win, in Buffalo, over McDermott, in the playoffs, because the Bills were worn out. We can’t downplay, his win, in Arrowhead, over Reid. Those things HAPPENED. He has succeeded in the moments that McDermott has failed. I don’t believe that it is reasonable to have McDermott over Taylor. He has gotten closer to the goal while overcoming McDermott and Reid. 
 

Maybe there is a cultural difference as well. The US is a ring-counting culture. Lebron’s numbers, longevity and sustained success will never be touched. Jordan is still generally concerned the GOAT. He has 6 titles in 6 tries. LeBron has 3.5 titles in 9.5 finals appearances.
 

The Bills have been good since McDermott got here. They have never reached their ceiling with him. Both of those things are ABSOLUTELY true. There are somewhere between 3-5 years, in his tenure, where the Bills ceiling was a Super Bowl Title. He has 0 Super Bowl Appearances. That’s not acceptable. Just because you can win 12 games, and a playoff game every year, with Josh Allen, doesn’t mean you’re doing a good job. That team, with that QB, SHOULD be doing that every year. I strongly believe that many others could have gotten this team further.

The goal, every year is the Super Bowl. You don’t have the talent to do it every year but that’s the goal. In McDermott’s tenure, he has had that talent. He shouldn’t be judged against Rex or Jauron or Marrone. He should be judged against high end rosters with ELITE QBs. He has failed when you do that.

mcdermott took a young roster and had it grow. a bunch of lesser known talents, unknowns, and a raw prospects develop - Poyer, Hyde, several OL, Milano, Wallace/Jackson/others. Allen panned out, Knox had a few solid years.

 

Campbell took many blue chip players and really struck gold after decades of missing with that franchise.

 

I think that is something to include in the conversation but just not sure where it fits.

Edited February 15 by boyst

[Kirby Jackson]

14 minutes ago, boyst said:

mcdermott took a young roster and had it grow. a bunch of lesser known talents, unknowns, and a raw prospects develop - Poyer, Hyde, several OL, Milano, Wallace/Jackson/others. Allen panned out, Knox had a few solid years.

 

Campbell took many blue chip players and really struck gold after decades of missing with that franchise.

 

I think that is something to include in the conversation but just not sure where it fits.

That’s totally fair. The road to relevance was certainly a more difficult path for McDermott than MANY of the people that I listed. McDermott would be a GREAT hire in Carolina or Washington or Chicago. He can take bad and make them good. I don’t believe that he can take good (what he has now) and turn that into a championship. 

[BarleyNY]

16 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Unpopular- this is the year to move on from Diggs.

Agreed. It’s to a point that it’s obvious he’s undermining the team. The plan was always to move on from him next off-season, but things have changed. It’s gonna hurt if it happens, but it’s time. 

 

Additional unpopular opinion: if the Bills trade Diggs this off-season, they won’t get nearly what most fans think they will. 

Edited February 15 by BarleyNY

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that Campbell is fair. That really is personal preference. They both took bad programs and made them relevant. Neither has gotten over the hump. I prefer Campbell’s fiery nature but you could certainly make a case, at this point, for McDermott over Campbell.

 

I don’t see it with Taylor. We can’t just disqualify his win, in Buffalo, over McDermott, in the playoffs, because the Bills were worn out. We can’t downplay, his win, in Arrowhead, over Reid. Those things HAPPENED. He has succeeded in the moments that McDermott has failed. I don’t believe that it is reasonable to have McDermott over Taylor. He has gotten closer to the goal while overcoming McDermott and Reid. 
 

Maybe there is a cultural difference as well. The US is a ring-counting culture. Lebron’s numbers, longevity and sustained success will never be touched. Jordan is still generally considered the GOAT. He has 6 titles in 6 tries. LeBron has 3.5 titles in 9.5 finals appearances.
 

The Bills have been good since McDermott got here. They have never reached their ceiling with him. Both of those things are ABSOLUTELY true. There are somewhere between 3-5 years, in his tenure, where the Bills ceiling was a Super Bowl Title. He has 0 Super Bowl Appearances. That’s not acceptable. Just because you can win 12 games, and a playoff game every year, with Josh Allen, doesn’t mean you’re doing a good job. That team, with that QB, SHOULD be doing that every year. I strongly believe that many others could have gotten this team further.

The goal, every year is the Super Bowl. You don’t have the talent to do it every year but that’s the goal. In McDermott’s tenure, he has had that talent. He shouldn’t be judged against Rex or Jauron or Marrone. He should be judged against high end rosters with ELITE QBs. He has failed when you do that.

I think you have a fundamental different take on what coaches can do, and what kind of coaches exist in the NFL.

 

Me personally, I rank coaches in terms of elite, good, bad. 
 

my elite coaches would be guys like Reid, Shanny, McVay. These are guys that raise a team’s ceiling (although Shanny’s penchant for choking may make me readjust). 

 

My good coaches are guys like Tomlin, McD, John Harbaugh. These guys are floor raisers. They are not necessarily going to outcoach or outscheme the class above them in every matchup, but they can and will take a team that should win 8 games and win 10. Or a team that should win 5 games and win 8.

 

And then there are the bad coaches. The coaches that COST their team. Sirianni is the perfect example. Who knows what happened behind closed doors but a team that talented collapsing like that is a surefire sign of bad coaching. 
 

Now you may say, “Tomlin and Harbaugh have rings, they can’t be the same tier as McD.” But I don’t agree with that. Tomlin and Harbaugh have had enough talent between their last SB appearance and today to make ONE SB run. Neither have. They aren’t coaching differently from their original SB’s They aren’t scheme guys really anyway. So really, what are we talking about in regards to their ability to win? They have a coaching ability to win a Super Bowl one time with a perfect set of circumstances and a great team? That sounds suspiciously like “luck,” as opposed to some super secret championship DNA.  And as long as McD is coaching the Bills, and we keep making the playoffs, we are gonna get the chance for luck to strike for us as well. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

because you can win 12 games, and a playoff game every year, with Josh Allen, doesn’t mean you’re doing a good job. That team, with that QB, SHOULD be doing that every year. I strongly believe that many others could have gotten this team further.

The goal, every year is the Super Bowl. You don’t have the talent to do it every year but that’s the goal. In McDermott’s tenure, he has had that talent. He shouldn’t be judged against Rex or Jauron or Marrone. He should be judged against high end rosters with ELITE QBs. He has failed when you do that.

 

Rest assured I am not judging him against those other guys in terms of success in the elite Allen era - so 2020 onwards. I think 2017-2019 the comparison for the Bills was against what had gone before but since Allen's 3rd year when he blossomed into a top tier guy that is not the bar. The bar is much higher. I just don't think - with the one notable exception in 2021 that Sean McDermott is the reason the Bills haven't reached that bar. 

[26TrapDraw]

If Josh spent more time watching film and preparing his mental approach to games leading to better decisions on the field instead of worrying about his golf game and all the rest of his bullshyt he’d have a superbowl ring by now.

it’s obviously not as important to him as it is to us.

[DapperCam]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Agreed. It’s to a point that it’s obvious he’s undermining the team. The plan was always to move on from him next off-season, but things have changed. It’s gonna hurt if it happens, but it’s time. 

 

Additional unpopular opinion: if the Bills trade Diggs this off-season, they won’t get nearly what most fans think they will. 

Does anybody really think we’ll get a haul for Diggs? He has a big cap hit, and he played more like an inconsistent WR2 the last 10 games of the season. It’s a lot of risk for the acquiring team. What if he continues to decline further next season?

 

Of course there is the upside he is back to his regular top-5 self, but it’s a risk.

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, DapperCam said:

Does anybody really think we’ll get a haul for Diggs? He has a big cap hit, and he played more like an inconsistent WR2 the last 10 games of the season. It’s a lot of risk for the acquiring team. What if he continues to decline further next season?

 

Of course there is the upside he is back to his regular top-5 self, but it’s a risk.

 

I think that it’s been more callers on 550, but I’ve seen a few here as well. He still has value, but more as a higher end #2 or even lower end #1 for another season or two. His salaries the next couple seasons are reasonable for that. It’s the cap hit from signing and restructuring bonuses that’s killing the Bills. That all said, he’s not getting us back a 1 or probably even a 2. It’s easy to look at the Chase Claypool trade and salivate, but that’s an outlier and his salary was negligible. A couple seasons ago Amari Cooper netted a 5th and swap of 6ths - and he was playing a lot better than Diggs is now. That was a steal though. Diggs would net something in between. A third or 4th plus is my best guess. 

Edited February 15 by BarleyNY

[BuffaL0L0k0]

On 2/12/2024 at 11:46 PM, BobBelcher said:

That this year’s playoff loss was worse than 13 seconds because it was a better opportunity to make the Super Bowl.

 

and what also made it worse is after 13 seconds we were itching to get another shot at KC in the playoffs and redeem ourselves (not shoot ourselves in the foot again).

 

We get that chance - at home - only 2 years later, with the Bengals out of the playoffs, and we shoot ourselves in the foot, again… after all of that. 
 

This team does not learn. 

...I'd like to build on top of your post, if I may, and say that to add insult to injury, while doing so, we did miss the opportunity of taking advantage of a new OT rule (one possession to each team at least, even after TD), which, btw, was created by the League responding to our collective misery after ...again....13 secs...

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, DapperCam said:

Does anybody really think we’ll get a haul for Diggs? He has a big cap hit, and he played more like an inconsistent WR2 the last 10 games of the season. It’s a lot of risk for the acquiring team. What if he continues to decline further next season?

 

Of course there is the upside he is back to his regular top-5 self, but it’s a risk.

Diggs will be a Bill this upcoming season, and depending on his play, another year after that, his role of course will change, imo he has a couple more productive season left in him, 

[Repulsif]

On 2/13/2024 at 6:52 PM, Bruffalo said:

The Bills are and have been the closest team to the Chiefs level in the entire NFL since 2021, and if the Bills or Chiefs were in the NFC it would be a Bills v Chiefs Superbowl since 2020-21.

Are you nuts ?

Another four losses in a row ?

[Rocky Landing]

In my (I assume) unpopular opinion:

We have a decent roster that is deep with really good players, but other than Josh Allen, we do not have a single elite player on the team. Not one.

 

Diggs has been elite, but he certainly wasn't this last season. Von Miller? Formerly elite. Even if he bounces back, only a fool would think that his best days aren't far behind him. Similarly, Tre White used to be elite. But it's hard to imagine him returning to anywhere near his top form after the last injury. Could Kincaid develop into an elite TE? He could. But he sure ain't there yet. James Cook is a damned good RB-- not elite.

 

There's a bunch of players that we thought had the potential to be elite when we acquired them, and most of them have turned out to be pretty good. But we need one, or two real playmakers, other than our quarterback. 

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

The Bills have been moving further away from being legitimate Super Bowl contenders since 2020 and will continue that downward trend in 2024 barring a miracle where we draft 2 ROY caliber players.

[MikeSpeed]

Groot is highly overrated.

Tre will be fine but still should move to safety.

Coaching is not the problem personnel is. Bean can find late round starters, but he doesn't hit enough elite talent at the top of the draft.

[BananaB]

9 hours ago, boyst said:

mcdermott took a young roster and had it grow. a bunch of lesser known talents, unknowns, and a raw prospects develop - Poyer, Hyde, several OL, Milano, Wallace/Jackson/others. Allen panned out, Knox had a few solid years.

 

Campbell took many blue chip players and really struck gold after decades of missing with that franchise.

 

I think that is something to include in the conversation but just not sure where it fits.

This is what I find weird. A lot of those players that were forced to play early developed into the backbone of this team. Now it’s like a lot of young players are taken from the field the minute they make a mistake. Look at the dline, they draft guys then sign vets to do the job. Continue bringing back guys that no other team wants because they are familiar with the system.  Let them play early and learn from their mistakes like when McD was hired. Late in the season you’ll have a good idea who they are. Look at Williams, they went to Kline who had no chance in hell on doing a solid job because of what’s between the ears. 

[Another Fan]

For me personally the 2012 season was the year the team came furthest away from matching my preseason expectations.  And not in a good way! 

[Meatloaf63]

On 2/13/2024 at 6:49 AM, ren1701 said:

Here's one - Terry Pegula split up One Sports becasue he is preparing to sell the Bills... 

Or Sabres

[Gunsgoodtime]

My unpopular opinion is that the Bills will struggle to make a Wildcard next year due to our terrible cap situation.  It is indeed not a myth. (2nd worst in league)