Thrivefourfive Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 I hope we all like watching grass grow and paint dry. When is it going to be time to move on from this coach? I appreciate who he is, and what his MO is, but things are not pointing towards a Super Bowl victory with him at the helm. I could be mistaken, but I believe that McDermott’s biggest (and only?) adjustment to his conservative nature is calling a more aggressive game in the recent playoff loss to the Chiefs. I didn’t see it, but okay. That’s a painfully slow learning curve. At this pace, he may figure out how to actually call a WINNING game on Super Bowl Sunday sometime in the 2040s. How many more super quarterbacks and excellent HCs will come along during that time to put McDermott down every year… It is not happening with McDermott. He ended the drought, he got this franchise to a very consistent winning tier. But there are obvious limitations that he’ll most likely never overcome. It’s very very difficult to win a Super Bowl. A lot of things must align. You can’t have a head coach that is a liability when/if you ever get the chances to bring it all home. Every step of the way with McDermott he is always one or multiple steps behind what it takes to punch through. The longer he is here, the longer we wait (too patiently imo) for the trophy. 6 6 6 2 4 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Bud Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 He needs to go, hasn’t learned in 7 years here 3 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) I’m glad we found yet another enlightening way to do this. S/ . Edited February 11 by Augie 3 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Glad to see another Anti-McD circlejerk thread 3 2 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Just now, Roundybout said: Glad to see another Anti-McD circlejerk thread Rinse and repeat. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 When I read this thread title, this is the first thing that came to mind … 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 If the draft doesn’t go well, next year could be down year and we miss playoffs. However, with our QB and division we’re in, we’ll make playoffs 9 in the next decade. The coach will be our coach for a long time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Believe it or not, he is one of the more aggressive coaches as far as 4th downs go in the league for the past three seasons….so the conservative argument you are portraying is incorrect. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said: I could be mistaken, but I believe that McDermott’s biggest (and only?) adjustment to his conservative nature is calling a more aggressive game in the recent playoff loss to the Chiefs. I didn’t see it, but okay. That’s a painfully slow learning curve. At this pace, he may figure out how to actually call a WINNING game on Super Bowl Sunday sometime in the 2040s. Personally, I thought… OMG… he’s finally got it! His sieve D was beyond a hot mess, so he LOOKED like he was trying to eat 99% of the 8:35 clock, by having Allen guide a controlled march down the field to victory! (See the rain game at Baltimorefor an identical strategy.) But no… at the 2:40 (approx) mark, he loses his mind and instead Allen tries the TD Pass to Shakir. With 1:45 and 2 Chiefs TOs! How many mulligans do you get to ***** up critical closing game moves? How many? Done. Edited February 11 by Billsatlastin2018 3 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 I think McD has grown a bit, he’s much more aggressive than he used to be. The early McD would never go for it from his own side of the field. This version has a better feel for the game. With that said, the fake punt was bad, especially with a non-RB rushing the ball. Funny enough, the execution of the play was worse than the design, considering it was an advantageous look to run against. Credit Chenal (or was it Tranquill?) for blowing up two blockers. The main problem I see with McD is that he’s slow to learn, he’s never ahead of situational moments unless they’ve happened before and that’s hurting the team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 14 minutes ago, Gugny said: When I read this thread title, this is the first thing that came to mind … What's up with his eyebrow? Looks like he put it on backwards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 9 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: Personally, I thought… OMG… he’s finally got it! His sieve D was beyond a hot mess, so he LOOKED like he was trying to eat 99% of the 8:35 clock, by having Allen guide a controlled march down the field to victory! (See the rain game at Baltimorefor an identical strategy.) But no… at the 2:40 (approx) mark, he loses his mind and instead Allen tries the TD Pass to Shakir. With 1:45 and 2 Chiefs TOs! How many mulligans do you get to ***** up critical closing game moves? How many? Done. That wasn't McD's decision. Allen saw the opportunity for a TD and took it. The play was there if Dawkins doesn't get pushed into Allen as he threw. That D was a sieve because we were missing key starters. So...likely KC would have moved the football with too much time left on the clock. They would have needed a TD though, and anything could happen. Look at Poyer's play at the goal line. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 He’s our Marvin Lewis. Has been bailed out by the best Buffalo Bill of all time Josh Allen. If he continues to be the HC, we’ll continue to watch Super Bowl Sundays without our beloved Bills in it. If you fire him, you give the fanbase hope. If you keep him, you insure zero hope. 2 1 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 10 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said: What's up with his eyebrow? Looks like he put it on backwards. This is the remastered version... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 That's what we need. More of this crap. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 12 minutes ago, T&C said: This is the remastered version... Ahhh well someone went all Picasso on them brows. 8 minutes ago, Dr. K said: That's what we need. More of this crap. I feel like at twice a day is good for a nice crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 46 minutes ago, Beast said: Believe it or not, he is one of the more aggressive coaches as far as 4th downs go in the league for the past three seasons….so the conservative argument you are portraying is incorrect. But if you don’t win the Super Bowl you are clearly an idiot. I think that has been well established. Over and over. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 29 minutes ago, jkeerie said: That wasn't McD's decision. I know, we know, that Allen made the decision. My point? It was McDs only job at that point to tell him DON’T! We’ll likely lose if you do. I know this is counterintuitive and contrary to the entire history of the NFL, before the likes of Mahomes OR Allen OR Brady! if the Bills are playing almost anybody else, of course you try and score there. They were not. It was the Mahomes led Chiefs! BE INTELLIGENT! Don’t be stupid and ensure your verbal order is given from 2 inches away! As it should have been done in 13 seconds! 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 50 minutes ago, Beast said: Believe it or not, he is one of the more aggressive coaches as far as 4th downs go in the league for the past three seasons….so the conservative argument you are portraying is incorrect. If he’s not conservative, then what is he? @Beast, that’s not the only quantitative measure of aggressiveness. And you point to something on offense no less.. Going for it on 4th down LESS, with JA17 on the field, would be absolutely a ‘fire him at halftime’ sort of offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said: I hope we all like watching grass grow and paint dry. When is it going to be time to move on from this coach? I appreciate who he is, and what his MO is, but things are not pointing towards a Super Bowl victory with him at the helm. I could be mistaken, but I believe that McDermott’s biggest (and only?) adjustment to his conservative nature is calling a more aggressive game in the recent playoff loss to the Chiefs. I didn’t see it, but okay. That’s a painfully slow learning curve. At this pace, he may figure out how to actually call a WINNING game on Super Bowl Sunday sometime in the 2040s. How many more super quarterbacks and excellent HCs will come along during that time to put McDermott down every year… It is not happening with McDermott. He ended the drought, he got this franchise to a very consistent winning tier. But there are obvious limitations that he’ll most likely never overcome. It’s very very difficult to win a Super Bowl. A lot of things must align. You can’t have a head coach that is a liability when/if you ever get the chances to bring it all home. Every step of the way with McDermott he is always one or multiple steps behind what it takes to punch through. The longer he is here, the longer we wait (too patiently imo) for the trophy. Cool. So what’s your solution? Who’s the replacement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 this is so fresh.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 7 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Cool. So what’s your solution? Who’s the replacement? My solution is Ben Johnson. What’s yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Moderators: Can we create a sub forum for fire the coach. It’s worthy of its own sub forum. 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: My solution is Ben Johnson. What’s yours? okay. Based on what? Certainly not past experience, he has none as a head coach. I have no proposed solution because I don’t agree with these wailings from you and the various others here who post these threads almost daily. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 6 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: My solution is Ben Johnson. What’s yours? The guy who didn’t get a job this offseason? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 All of these games are a play or 2 - w/ the exception of the Cincy game last year. But that was a team that was emotionally exhausted. I've gone back & forth on McD, but he's a solid coach. And that's a really good thing to have. Watching the playoffs and the regular season, there is so much bad coaching in the league. If Chris Jones, gets to Allen a half second later, we're probably playing today. And Reid used to be viewed the same way in Philly. Good enough to get a team just so far - but not able to get over the final hump. He got further in those years, but Philly fans still wanted him out. Now, he's widely considered the best coach in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 6 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: My solution is Ben Johnson. What’s yours? And who do we have as DC and OC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 Just now, The Jokeman said: And who do we have as DC and OC? Ask Ben Johnson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, Success said: All of these games are a play or 2 - w/ the exception of the Cincy game last year. But that was a team that was emotionally exhausted. I've gone back & forth on McD, but he's a solid coach. And that's a really good thing to have. Watching the playoffs and the regular season, there is so much bad coaching in the league. If Chris Jones, gets to Allen a half second later, we're probably playing today. And Reid used to be viewed the same way in Philly. Good enough to get a team just so far - but not able to get over the final hump. He got further in those years, but Philly fans still wanted him out. Now, he's widely considered the best coach in the league. One year, Philly was flying and NcNabb was breaking records until he got knocked out for the season. Another, TO got twisted up and wasn’t 100% in the Super Bowl. True about the Chris Jones play. Then again, if that’s a touchdown, I would bet on the Chiefs finishing that game with a game winning drive. Then at Baltimore, which I really liked the Bills chances. Then against SF. My point is every game that McDermott gets in the playoffs the odds of him screwing something up rises. He does worse with more chances. He’ll do worse with more chances. We’ll see this for as long as he’s here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Just now, Thrivefourfive said: Ask Ben Johnson. That's my issue, what if Johnson brings in a 3-4 DC like John Fox. Not going to help when like Oliver is best in a 4 man alignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Bills Bud said: He needs to go, hasn’t learned in 7 years here I see this a lot and while I agree, many said the same thing about Andy Reid in Philly and he’s coaching in his 4th Super Bowl in KC tonight and 5th overall. McDermott is a good coach. I think he is fully capable of getting the team to the big dance. I’m excited to see some new coordinators next year 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 How many general managers can be on one message board? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 29 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: My solution is Ben Johnson. What’s yours? Anyone who proposes a 1st time head coach needs to understand that in the history of the Bills franchise, the ONLY successful head coach who was never a pro football head coach before taking the Bills job is McDermott. 8 1st time head coaches failed before McDermott. So, the historical odds are 11% that a 1st time HC will succeed in Buffalo. Now if anyone wants to calculate the NFL percentage be my guest. Before McDermott, the 4 top coaches in Bills history all had prior AFL or NFL head coaching experience. Also, in the history of the Super Bowl, no coach has ever won it with 2 different franchises, so you also might not want former SB winners either. McDermott's record in the playoffs is mainly due to the Reid/Mahomes monster in KC. They've also been successful in stopping the 15 other AFC teams too in 3 of the last 4 years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zona Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Listening to the pregame, and they just mentioned that Andy Reid didn't win his first super bowl until his 21st year. I hope McD doesn't take that long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 "Get out of my way, I have a fresh take on McDermott!!!" 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flipnmi Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said: I hope we all like watching grass grow and paint dry. When is it going to be time to move on from this coach? I appreciate who he is, and what his MO is, but things are not pointing towards a Super Bowl victory with him at the helm. I could be mistaken, but I believe that McDermott’s biggest (and only?) adjustment to his conservative nature is calling a more aggressive game in the recent playoff loss to the Chiefs. I didn’t see it, but okay. That’s a painfully slow learning curve. At this pace, he may figure out how to actually call a WINNING game on Super Bowl Sunday sometime in the 2040s. How many more super quarterbacks and excellent HCs will come along during that time to put McDermott down every year… It is not happening with McDermott. He ended the drought, he got this franchise to a very consistent winning tier. But there are obvious limitations that he’ll most likely never overcome. It’s very very difficult to win a Super Bowl. A lot of things must align. You can’t have a head coach that is a liability when/if you ever get the chances to bring it all home. Every step of the way with McDermott he is always one or multiple steps behind what it takes to punch through. The longer he is here, the longer we wait (too patiently imo) for the trophy. You guys are both exhausting and nauseating. You obviously have the right to your opinion, but how about coming up with a new and interesting topic instead of just beating this one to death (again). It seems you just haven’t realized that Sean isn’t going anywhere no matter how many times you demand it. I also strongly believe that the majority of Bills fans support Sean and it’s only a very loud minority that is keeping this discussion alive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said: I hope we all like watching grass grow and paint dry. When is it going to be time to move on from this coach? I appreciate who he is, and what his MO is, but things are not pointing towards a Super Bowl victory with him at the helm. I could be mistaken, but I believe that McDermott’s biggest (and only?) adjustment to his conservative nature is calling a more aggressive game in the recent playoff loss to the Chiefs. I didn’t see it, but okay. That’s a painfully slow learning curve. At this pace, he may figure out how to actually call a WINNING game on Super Bowl Sunday sometime in the 2040s. How many more super quarterbacks and excellent HCs will come along during that time to put McDermott down every year… It is not happening with McDermott. He ended the drought, he got this franchise to a very consistent winning tier. But there are obvious limitations that he’ll most likely never overcome. It’s very very difficult to win a Super Bowl. A lot of things must align. You can’t have a head coach that is a liability when/if you ever get the chances to bring it all home. Every step of the way with McDermott he is always one or multiple steps behind what it takes to punch through. The longer he is here, the longer we wait (too patiently imo) for the trophy. This has to be the one hundred and fiftieth thread on how McDermott isn’t the answer…, try harder for your next thread start.., 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 54 minutes ago, Ga boy said: Moderators: Can we create a sub forum for fire the coach. It’s worthy of its own sub forum. Be warned, it might get lonely in here. 😋 Hiring a Ben Johnson sounds great, but he’s not been a HC before. There is always the risk he’s one of the guys who is a great coordinator, but not a good head coach. It’s always a gamble. And if you want to say that is true of McD, that’s fine. But he does seem like a legit leader of men. I have zero control over this, so I can’t get too worked up about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattlinBill Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 And another McDermott thread, guess the last couple hundred or so weren't enough for you to go cry in.... 😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, Beast said: Believe it or not, he is one of the more aggressive coaches as far as 4th downs go in the league for the past three seasons….so the conservative argument you are portraying is incorrect. He definitely is aggressive, there have been times when it's felt like he got conservative maybe earlier in the season but now I think that's just the offensive problems we ran into midseason. But the very clear and obvious evidence of him being aggressive is, and while it was probably the decision I hated the most that game, the fake punt against the Chiefs in the Divisional game. I mean he handed the ***** ball to Damar Hamlin on 4th down like a ***** mad man and we're saying he's not aggressive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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