The Cincinnati Kid Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I asked my wife (who only really knows Josh Allen) and she was a no on Jones, Rapp, Epanesa and Shaq. She was a yes on Hyde, Phillips and Floyd. She then said “Ok, that’s enough football for today.” And went back to reading her book. So, anyway, I’ll call Beane and make sure he knows what’s up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 DaQuan Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I would like to keep AJE if possible. He did a very good job before his injury. DQ and AJE priorities for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Ty, Cam, Edwards, Daquan, AJ, Rapp, and Dane is who I would try and sign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 12 hours ago, John from Riverside said: T johnson d jones I would add Rapp to this. He brings physicality that the Bills need. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Must have's or High value returning players If resigned Daquan Jones Jordan Philips Trent Sherfield A.J. Epenesa Ty Johnson Tyrel Dodson Taylor Rapp Nice to have's Micha Hyde Leonard Floyd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I find these discussions very interesting. Very few folks on here want to keep Epenesa because they’re certain he’ll get a big pay bump from some other team….yet somehow they don’t think the same thing is true for the quality and pay scale that applies to guys from the other 31 teams. Now, I’m not saying they should get into a bidding war for Epenesa but I’m also not convinced the rest of the league wants to either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Jones, Johnson, Murray, Rapp, Edwards, Floyd, Ford ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfronts Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 I got this feeling (nothing more) Epenesa is going to have a break-out season next year…just hope it's here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 14 hours ago, Drew21PA said: DQ for sure - him Milano and TB43 shores that middle up for YEARS to come with Big Ed there as well Agree that Jones is the most important guy on this list. But I think he has 2 good years left at most. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfronts Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Just now, pennstate10 said: Agree that Jones is the most important guy on this list. But I think he has 2 good years left at most. His age is a Big problem...the drop-off will come when you least expect it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill51390 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Gonna be hard to retain anyone with our cap situation. But Jones and Epenesa would be top of my list, not going to be able to get much better than them in FA with our cap. We’re gonna really need to knock this draft outta the park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 After watching our DL against KC, I don't think I see anyone as a must.. but I know that's short-sighted and Daquan was still working back from the injury. I have him as a must and Dane, Rapp, Ty, Edwards and Epenesa as wants .. but only if their minimal deals in the case of the first four, and team-friendly for AJ. Von looked like he should probably be a factor again next season, and with Rousseau in a contract year, Epenesa is a solid DE3 with say Jonathan and Lawson rounding out the group. I'd just rather not have to address EDGE this year. We know, no matter what we do with Daquan, we're going to need some DT's. Let's focus there this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Jones is the only one who I think we have to get back. Everyone else is replacable. Epenesa might be nice if you can get him for a value. Jackson is a good depth piece if he's around 2-3 mil. Please, for god's sake, let Cam Lewis walk and never be on this team again. He's a completely failed obsession with this coaching staff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 DaQuon, AJ, Ty, Edwards, Rapp, Dodson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmd07 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I live in Ravens country. Listened to their talk show Monday while working and it sounded just like the BIll's. "We have 23 free agents and we can't re sign most of them. Were gonna suck." We are in very similar situations. But we always find a way to move money. I just feel like we need more violence from our LB. Watching the other games in the playoffs esp SF and Balt. Their LB hit you and that will make you think twice over the middle. I felt our LB are nice but we have big safety's LB. I would love to. see D WIlliams get a shot along side Milano. Or pay up for Queen from Ravens. Were gonna lose 10 average players and then resign 10 average players other teams could not resign 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 14 hours ago, Drew21PA said: ... Milano and TB43 shores that middle up for YEARS to come with Big Ed there as well Hate to bring this up, Cookie had a serious injury, given T. White's recovery time before reinjury, there is always a risk Milano may not be the same Cookie that was a key part of our defense, I think that means we have to do what we can to keep Dodson, or trust that Dorian Williams can augment whatever version of Milano comes back. Edited January 30 by BearNorth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill51390 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 minutes ago, BearNorth said: Hate to bring this up, Cookie had a serious injury, given T. White's recovery time before reinjury, there is always a risk Milano may not be the same Cookie that was a key part of our defense, I think that means we have to do what we can to keep Dodson, or trust that Dorian Williams can augment whatever version of Milano comes back. Milano injury was not as severe as White. He’ll be fine come week 1. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 10 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said: First time I’ve really looked through the full list, and first impression is we’re not as bad off as I thought we’d be with so many pending free agents. Yeah, the starters on both sides of the ball are going to mostly remain intact. I'll miss Hyde and Gabe Davis' blocking, but neither are irreplaceable at this point in their careers. The tough part will be replacing the high volume of depth they're likely going to lose and we saw how important that depth can be this year. It will be tricky but at least it's manageable. I don't see this team taking any significant steps backwards next season. Heck, it's even reasonable to suggest that we might already be adding a blue chip veteran DE with the hopeful return of the real Von Miller next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 With our cap situation free agency of any impact is doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 vs. Kansas City 0 sacks 0 interceptions No FA on defense is a must have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 16 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said: Agree with most said except AJE, let him walk, not worth big bucks, go sign a vet minimum Epenesa is so over rated. Unfortunately he's alot like Rousseau. They'll have 2-3 amazing high motor games each year then be invisible the rest. Players like Bruce or Mario were rarely invisible. We gotta keep drafting until Beane can find a true game wrecker. AJ has averaged 3.5 sacks/ yr and Rousseau 5.5/ yr. That's not going to cut it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 15 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Jones 15 hours ago, Drew21PA said: DQ for sure - him Milano and TB43 shores that middle up for YEARS to come with Big Ed there as well DQ is definitely the #1 priority. I want Jones and Oliver in there the majority of the time. To hell with this failed 10 man rotation that doesn't work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I'm not sure that any of these guys are a must have. A lot of them would be really good to get back as long as it can be done at good price. Some bad teams with a lot of cap flexibility will overpay some of these players. I'm sure the Bills have prioritized the free agents and will do what they can to keep the ones they want. Every year free agents believe they are going to strike it rich, only to have to settle for a smaller contract or a one year prove it deal. Some of the Bills' free agents will end up this way. In any event, Beane has a big job ahead of him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I find these discussions very interesting. Very few folks on here want to keep Epenesa because they’re certain he’ll get a big pay bump from some other team….yet somehow they don’t think the same thing is true for the quality and pay scale that applies to guys from the other 31 teams. Now, I’m not saying they should get into a bidding war for Epenesa but I’m also not convinced the rest of the league wants to either. He's been a massive disappointment as a high draft pick. Let someone else pay for him to be good for three games and then disappear. 35 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Epenesa is so over rated. Unfortunately he's alot like Rousseau. They'll have 2-3 amazing high motor games each year then be invisible the rest. Players like Bruce or Mario were rarely invisible. We gotta keep drafting until Beane can find a true game wrecker. AJ has averaged 3.5 sacks/ yr and Rousseau 5.5/ yr. That's not going to cut it. 100% agree! I pick up the 5th year guarantee on Rousseau and make him earn an extension with a great 5th year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 9 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: He's been a massive disappointment as a high draft pick. Let someone else pay for him to be good for three games and then disappear. But you see that’s just the issue. You and many others always believe that some other team is going to overpay for players we know aren’t anything special. So wouldn’t that also mean that the Bills are going to do likewise for other team’s cast offs? I can see a bad scheme fit, like a zone CB versus a man CB, but I don’t think the problem with AJE is scheme fit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Market value per Sportrac ... Davis - 13.6 M Floyd - 8.1 M Jones - 6.8 M Epenesa - 5.6 M Rapp - 5.5 M Dodson - 4.8 M Settle - 3.7 M Hyde - 3.7 M Jackson - 3.1 MMurray - 2.4 M They didn't have a market value on the others ... How much over the cap are the Bills currently ? I'd love to have Jones (6.8) ... Epenesa (5.6) ... Dodson (4.8) and those three would be 17.2 M against the cap... Miller will cost us 17.1 M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 This defense doesn't work when it matters most, blow it all up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 54 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: DQ is definitely the #1 priority. I want Jones and Oliver in there the majority of the time. To hell with this failed 10 man rotation that doesn't work. To my naked eye, it looked like they got away from that a bit towards the end of the year. I felt like Oliver was in there a lot more than he was in earlier in the regular season. I agree with you. Oliver should be like 90% of the snaps and DQ probably around 75. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmd07 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: DQ is definitely the #1 priority. I want Jones and Oliver in there the majority of the time. To hell with this failed 10 man rotation that doesn't work. Agree about rotation. Theory is players come in waves and always fresh. Plus end of year fresher legs.....Didnt work. Our DL failed in both playoff games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Now if YE OLE was sitting down and hashing this out... YE would want to try to keep Daquan Jones, Rapp, and either Floyd or Epenesa. Rapp wasn't great (the int in Miami notwithstanding), but we need someone there that is not Cam Lewis or Hamlin, and he has a year in the system. Some of these guys like Dodson and Jackson if they don't find a market elsewhere would be ideal to keep, but not at significant cost. Spotrac has Gabe projected around $13.6 mil and Tee Higgins projected around $18.6 mil. If those numbers prove to be reasonably accurate, and the powers that be have any inkling to try to bring Gabe back, it would be great to take a swing at Higgins instead. YE OLE would still come back and take a swing at WR in the first rd too, gents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said: Now if YE OLE was sitting down and hashing this out... YE would want to try to keep Daquan Jones, Rapp, and either Floyd or Epenesa. Rapp wasn't great (the int in Miami notwithstanding), but we need someone there that is not Cam Lewis or Hamlin, and he has a year in the system. Some of these guys like Dodson and Jackson if they don't find a market elsewhere would be ideal to keep, but not at significant cost. Spotrac has Gabe projected around $13.6 mil and Tee Higgins projected around $18.6 mil. If those numbers prove to be reasonably accurate, and the powers that be have any inkling to try to bring Gabe back, it would be great to take a swing at Higgins instead. YE OLE would still come back and take a swing at WR in the first rd too, gents! If the Bengals don't tag Higgins, You can bet Callahan will be doing everything he can to get him to Tennessee. Titans have a RIDICULOUS amount of cap space available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Jones is close to a "must sign." Beyond him, it's going to be a balancing act that depends on what the Bills can do with cap management and what they can find in free agency among value prospects who might have some untapped upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 hours ago, uticaclub said: This defense doesn't work when it matters most, blow it all up Well considering we have just about nobody under contract besides Milano, Tre and Von, you might just get your wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) Must-Have 1. Daquan Jones Nice-To-Have 1. AJ Epenesa 2. Dane Jackson/Cam Lewis (depth) 3. Ty Johnson/Latavius Murray/Damien Harris That's it. That's the list. (Assuming Micah Hyde has decided to retire) 20 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said: Agree with most said except AJE, let him walk, not worth big bucks, go sign a vet minimum Why would Epenesa get "big bucks"? Edited January 30 by Wayne Arnold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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