JMM Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 If he was being fired wouldn't we have likely heard by now? To me it would be a surprise. Not saying it was all his fault(like Bass becoming a head case), but overall for the season the ST was an absolute dumpster fire. It's unacceptable. We have enough issues to deal with let alone not being to count on good consistently sound ST. Like Marv used to say, its 1/3 of the team and as important as the O and D. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I really hope not. ST was atrocious at times this year. 1 1 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Dude shouldn't have even been allowed to finish the regular season. Atrocious. 2 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) I don't see how. But McDermott was very complimentary of Smiley. He seems to love the yes men and scapegoats. Edited January 25 by MrEpsYtown 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Moulds Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 It was all around bad. The worst it's been, considering all that we invest in special teams. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boco357 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 No need to make the decision quickly but he better be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Belichick will be firing him soon. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, boco357 said: WHAT IN THE ACTUAL F—- 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I really hope not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 another special teams blunder that costs the team a win and McDermott will have to fire the DC this time around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Bass is a great kid and I thought he would be our PK for the rest of the decade. Now, I wouldn’t trust him to kick an extra point to win a game. He can’t walk into next season anointed as the presumptive starter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 He’ll be fired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He’ll be fired. What makes you so confident about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, JMM said: What makes you so confident about that? Special teams was bad all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 This guy is safe: 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The Bills are not a quick fire team on this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Didn't they just return a kickoff for a TD on week 18 that basically won the division? Those plays have a lot more to do with a good special teams coach than whether a kicker chokes or not, IMO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Billl said: Didn't they just return a kickoff for a TD on week 18 that basically won the division? Those plays have a lot more to do with a good special teams coach than whether a kicker chokes or not, IMO. Yes they did but the return game both ways overall has been worse than recent years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Billl said: Didn't they just return a kickoff for a TD on week 18 that basically won the division? Those plays have a lot more to do with a good special teams coach than whether a kicker chokes or not, IMO. Kick returns are more about luck than anything else. Otherwise they'd be common occurrences. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 He might be safe. McD needs a scapegoat for next season. Right now it looks like either a new OC that would be that guy and we all know with him as DC, no accountability there. It's a bad look for him if he fires the new OC/Brady or a new ST coordinator. I think what's best for the team is a distant 2nd for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The Bills are not a quick fire team on this stuff. Ok that's what I'm wondering about. Have they in the past let go staff after a week or so or right away, I don't really recall. I'm hoping they do go in another direction, and maybe bring in an experienced ST coach to right the ship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Special teams is the red headed step child of the NFL, no one likes their STs they are players that are not good at their primary roles, so ya get what ya got when it comes to this 1/10th of the team. Ya just hope they don’t totally Fuh k up when they are on the field. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 We're one of the only teams that routinely pays special teams "aces", and our special teams still suck. If other coaches are getting good results with guys on their roster who also back up other positions, why are we paying ST-only guys like Matakevich $2.5M? We need a new ST coach, and also stop paying for primary special teamers. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 If Clappy is safe, then Smiley is probably safe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 hours ago, BBFL said: WHAT IN THE ACTUAL F—- 😂 Norman Smiley vs Terry Funk. The truly dark days of WCW before they went the way of the Dodo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Maybe? 2022 best in the NFL, 2023 very mediocre. How much of Bass’ issues lie at the fault of Smiley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Norman Smiley vs Terry Funk. The truly dark days of WCW before they went the way of the Dodo Lol I know who they are just never seen it. That’s absolutely wild image 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 minutes ago, BBFL said: Lol I know who they are just never seen it. That’s absolutely wild image 😂 Such garbage wrasslin! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 11 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Maybe? 2022 best in the NFL, 2023 very mediocre. How much of Bass’ issues lie at the fault of Smiley? None? Smiley has been here for seven years, this being his 2nd season as the ST Coordinator (first five were as assistant). Given the 2022 success, maybe he’s got some good will banked with McD. If he was impacting Bass’ kicking issues, wouldn’t this have shown itself prior to this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWK Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 McDermott would never fire a veteran. He deserves it but he will be staying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 5 hours ago, JMM said: If he was being fired wouldn't we have likely heard by now? To me it would be a surprise. Not saying it was all his fault(like Bass becoming a head case), but overall for the season the ST was an absolute dumpster fire. It's unacceptable. We have enough issues to deal with let alone not being to count on good consistently sound ST. Like Marv used to say, its 1/3 of the team and as important as the O and D. good thread. He does need to go. This team is so good that all we need to do is play mediocre special teams and not turn the ball over, and we can win 13-plus games. instead, these special teams gaffes always seem to cost us games. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I think the real issue is more the over investment of $ into special teams players. Can anyone ? Name an outstanding ST group year over year. And i mean each facet. Its really a way to develop and hold onto 2nd and third string players who can come in as next man up, or developing younger players. Smiley being fired is not the answer to getting to the SB. in my humble. and those that keeping saying scapegoat. wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Harris 69 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 13 won’t fire himself so smiley ——ga—bye bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 7 hours ago, 947 said: We're one of the only teams that routinely pays special teams "aces", and our special teams still suck. If other coaches are getting good results with guys on their roster who also back up other positions, why are we paying ST-only guys like Matakevich $2.5M? We need a new ST coach, and also stop paying for primary special teamers. We are definitely not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I heard an elderly Bills Mafia lady call into Sal's show, dejected after Bills choke job against KC. "we are cursed" she said. "if you think about it-every devastating defeat- Music City, 13 seconds, wide right, yada yada- all special teams failures" I agree. We must improve special teams and get back to being a top unit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 14 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yes they did but the return game both ways overall has been worse than recent years. It’s the Taiwan Jones factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said: It’s the Taiwan Jones factor. I mean people will laugh but losing Jones definitely showed up this year. The Bills missed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 12 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Maybe? 2022 best in the NFL, 2023 very mediocre. How much of Bass’ issues lie at the fault of Smiley? None. It’s all on Bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 He should be fired. The unit gave up too many big plays this year, had kicks blocked, didn't block any and only 1 return td?? Not good enough. AND Bass and Martin both need to go. They have both respectively lost it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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