Process Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 We just gave Bass a big extension this offseason. At the time it seemed like a no brainer. He was so good before this season. Such a shame. How screwed are we with the dead cap on his deal for 2024? Not saying we shouldn't give him another shot. Just wondering if cutting him is even a realistic option if it comes to that. 3 misses in 2 playoff games, after a rough regular season, is hard to accept. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chugga Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 If the loss doesn’t hurt enough just look at some of these contracts. Yikes 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Process said: We just gave Bass a big extension this offseason. At the time it seemed like a no brainer. He was so good before this season. Such a shame. How screwed are we with the dead cap on his deal for 2024? Not saying we shouldn't give him another shot. Just wondering if cutting him is even a realistic option if it comes to that. 3 misses in 2 playoff games, after a rough regular season, is hard to accept. He isn't going anywhere. You don't create holes to fill AND take huge dead cap hits when you already have to work the cap since you are $40 million over it next year to begin with. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Yeah it sucks .. but what are you going to do ? Just now, Big Turk said: He isn't going anywhere. You don't create holes to fill AND take huge dead cap hits when you already have to work the cap since you are $40 million over it next year to begin with. He is gone 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 That dead cap hit… Symbolically I want him gone. I don’t even care about anything rational at this point. Absolutely unacceptable from him this postseason. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Applicable Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Very glad to hear that Norwood 2.0 has a contract that makes him essentially uncuttable. Awesome news! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Every week he is a massive question mark … if there is not an injury issue that they have kept silent for weeks … he is gone … they can’t have him back next year 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: He isn't going anywhere. You don't create holes to fill AND take huge dead cap hits when you already have to work the cap since you are $40 million over it next year to begin with. Yeah, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Beane's surely got a number of different things lined up to get us out from under our cap situation. Kicker is a relatively cheap position. Especially if we Draft a guy. You can't keep rolling out a Kicker as unreliable as he's been down the stretch just because of the money. It's not like other positions where you can say "well, we're stuck with him, but that doesn't mean we have to start him". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Yeah it sucks .. but what are you going to do ? He is gone Sorry, this isn't Madden franchise mode. I know you think it's realistic when you do whatever you want in the game and think real life works the same way, but sorry to say you are sadly mistaken. Edited January 22 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 $9m split over 2 years isn’t un-cuttable. That’s like 1.5% of the cap. McBeane will bring in competition and he’ll be cut if he continues to inspire zero confidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: Yeah, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Beane's surely got a number of different things lined up to get us out from under our cap situation. Kicker is a relatively cheap position. Especially if we Draft a guy. You can't keep rolling out a Kicker as unreliable as he's been down the stretch just because of the money. It's not like other positions where you can say "well, we're stuck with him, but that doesn't mean we have to start him". With that dead cap number Bass will be back Hope is he bounces back like alot of kickers have in the past. But this year was bad and it would be nice to feel better about the position going into next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Sorry, this isn't Madden franchise mode. I know you think it's realistic when you do whatever you want in the game and think real life works the same way, but sorry to say you are sadly mistaken. So is your argument that his dead cap is too high… not his kicking ability? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Yeah, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Beane's surely got a number of different things lined up to get us out from under our cap situation. Kicker is a relatively cheap position. Especially if we Draft a guy. You can't keep rolling out a Kicker as unreliable as he's been down the stretch just because of the money. It's not like other positions where you can say "well, we're stuck with him, but that doesn't mean we have to start him". Considering in general, kicker consistency is the widest variable in the NFL from one year to the next outside of outliers like Justin Tucker, you most likely would be chasing your tail. 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: So is your argument that his dead cap is too high… not his kicking ability? Kicking consistency from one year to the next outside of a very select few like Justin Tucker is the widest variable in the NFL in terms of statistics. To the point the argument was made that kickoff distance/touchbacks are a more important determinating factor when they did the study than FG percentage since it's up and down and effected by a lot of other variables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Kicking consistency from one year to the next outside of a very select few like Justin Tucker is the widest variable in the NFL in terms of statistics. To the point the argument was made that kickoff distance/touchbacks are a more important determinating factor when they did the study than FG percentage since it's up and down and effected by a lot of other variables. Sorry … can’t agree .. I think he gets cut … happy to revisit and accept my Medicine… but I think he is gone Edited January 22 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I feel like kickers either have it, or they don’t. A miss like that can linger in Bass’s mind. His first year was concerning after beating out Hauschka because he had the yips early, couldn’t make anything after a stellar preseason. He was able to get right in that Jets game where he made 7/10 or whatever it was, but I can’t fully trust him from this point on. I think he knows the team likely feels the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Sorry … can’t agree .. I think he gets cut … happy to revisit and accept my Medicine… but I think he is gone You don't need to agree, you simply are being emotional and not basing it off facts. Bass is squarely in the middle of "good" kickers over the last 3 years and is 3rd in XP percentage over that time. The "clutch" kicker Butker is a few percentage points better than him, which is statistcailly meaningless really with how few attempts they get each year. You don't create a huge dead cap space to get a marginal, if any, upgrade. That makes zero sense and only someone who is basing their decision on emption rather than logic would do that. Bass was also 9/9 before that kick in those situations. You don't get rid of a guy who misses his first kick after making the other 9. Guess 2am counts for Overreaction Monday. Edited January 22 by Big Turk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Tyler Bass, the least thing I will worry about in my nightmares tonight 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 23 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Very glad to hear that Norwood 2.0 has a contract that makes him essentially uncuttable. Awesome news! Yup....he's like a bottom 5 statistical kicker yet he's getting top 5 money. Unbelievable? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said: Tyler Bass, the least thing I will worry about in my nightmares tonight Whats first three? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Whats first three? Tay Tay celebrating (Check). Kelce TD (Check), Mahomes Td (Check) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Big Turk said: You don't need to agree, you simply are being emotional and not basing it off facts. Bass is squarely in the middle of "good" kickers over the last 3 years and is 3rd in XP percentage over that time. The "clutch" kicker Butker is a few percentage points better than him, which is statistcailly meaningless really with how few attempts they get each year. You don't create a huge dead cap space to get a marginal, if any, upgrade. That makes zero sense and only someone who is basing their decision on emption rather than logic would do that. Bass was also 9/9 before that kick in those situations. You don't get rid of a guy who misses his first kick after making the other 9. Guess 2am counts for Overreaction Monday. Bass is 26/34 between the regular season and Post Season this year. That's 76% - basically one miss in every 4. He was an abysmal 2/5 in the Postseason, including a miss from 27 yards. One of two needed end of the game playoff clutch kicks that he choked on in back to back weeks (luckily we were bailed out by the Defense last week). This is not an overreaction. Kickers have lost their jobs for a lot less. Edited January 22 by BillsFanForever19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 59 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Considering in general, kicker consistency is the widest variable in the NFL from one year to the next outside of outliers like Justin Tucker By all means, present your case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Who cares, how about McDermotts contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Very glad to hear that Norwood 2.0 has a contract that makes him essentially uncuttable. Awesome news! Because its so smart to give contracts to punters like that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCT Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I blame Taylor Swift. Poor guy lost his focus with her swooshing around in the booth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I said all week he will cost us, just had a gut feeling 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedbuffaloblue Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: I said all week he will cost us, just had a gut feeling That missed kick didn’t cost us the game. The offense needed to score a touchdown on that last drive or wind the clock down a lot more than they did. Bass makes the kick and ties the game, then Mahomes leads the Chiefs down the field for a game winning FG in the final seconds. Our depleted defense couldn’t stop the Chiefs. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Bleedbuffaloblue said: That missed kick didn’t cost us the game. The offense needed to score a touchdown on that last drive or wind the clock down a lot more than they did. Bass makes the kick and ties the game, then Mahomes leads the Chiefs down the field for a game winning FG in the final seconds. Our depleted defense couldn’t stop the Chiefs. Except we stopped them 2 previous drives, including a 3 and out and b.s pi on 3rd and then got em to gov3 and out again on same drive. You could be right but the D really stepped up in the 4th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterglass Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 After being born and living in Buffalo for most of my life we now live in South Carolina in a town that is five miles from where Tyler Bass was raised in Irmo, SC. That is Univsersity of South Carolina, SEC NCAA country. The rest of South Carolina is Clemson. Tyler is a warm weather kicker who for whatever reason didnt attend a large SEC football program even though he was awarded the best high school kicker award. Hmm, so ask yourself why didnt he go to a big program? Less stress? USC is a mere 20 minute drive from his home town of Irmo, South Carolina and Clemson on is a two hour drive. It could be just the timing of the incombants. Something is in this guys head unlike any other kicker I have ever witnessed as he at times will pulverize a kick with so much force it knuckleballs to th extreme. In my opinion hes got the Mcdermotts between the ears. I dont know if he can be fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 So if our cap experts are correct then the answer is simple…Beane is a disaster. Pegula can decide whether he moves on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said: Who cares, how about McDermotts contract? I know that you're joking, but coach contracts don't count against the cap. Money won't be the reason that McDermott is not let go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I don’t think Bass deserves to be cut. Last week his foot slipped on the turf when he duck hooked that one kick. And yesterday the wind seemed to have a great effect on the ball. I know in the game day thread some people were saying he's got a "bad slice", similar to what a golf hacker does. Question: is that even possible, considering the physics of it? I'm no scientist, but I don’t even think it's physically possible to put the spin on an oblong ball during a FG try, to make it "slice" like a golf ball does. If the kick is hit properly, AND the ball is tumbling end over end, there can be zero side spin on it. The latter is very different from a punt, which of course can have sidespin, as the foot contact the ball in a totally different way vs a placekick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 They can eat that contract if they need to, but there may be an injury issue or something we don't know about. They also need to cull a lot of dead weight that's more of a problem, both on the field and in terms of cap impact, than the kicker. If they think they can fix Bass, I'm fine with giving him another chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Bass is 26/34 between the regular season and Post Season this year. That's 76% - basically one miss in every 4. He was an abysmal 2/5 in the Postseason, including a miss from 27 yards. One of two needed end of the game playoff clutch kicks that he choked on in back to back weeks (luckily we were bailed out by the Defense last week). This is not an overreaction. Kickers have lost their jobs for a lot less. Every kicker has a down season. Pretty much across the board. That's the nature of the NFL kicking in weather and only getting few attempts that cause every miss to be a large percentage. Plenty of dome kickers have the same issue. What's their excuse? 3 minutes ago, Bob Jones said: I don’t think Bass deserves to be cut. Last week his foot slipped on the turf when he duck hooked that one kick. And yesterday the wind seemed to have a great effect on the ball. I know in the game day thread some people were saying he's got a "bad slice", similar to what a golf hacker does. Question: is that even possible, considering the physics of it? I'm no scientist, but I don’t even think it's physically possible to put the spin on an oblong ball during a FG try, to make it "slice" like a golf ball does. If the kick is hit properly, AND the ball is tumbling end over end, there can be zero side spin on it. The latter is very different from a punt, which of course can have sidespin, as the foot contact the ball in a totally different way vs a placekick. Yes it's possible. I kicked for a few years in 2 leagues...flag and touch football. While I am no expert I played soccer for 25+ years growing up and kicked footballs 4-5 time a week when the weather was nice going to the high school nearby for 6-7 months starting in March during that time. You definitely can hook the ball depending on where your foot makes contact with it, no different than a soccer ball, although kicking the two are completely different. Took me a few days to not consistently kick the football into the ground when I first started as you have a different target on the football than the soccer ball typically. However in this case, I don't think the ball was hooked, I just think he didn't push the ball far enough left. Donn Paul posted the winds had picked up to 21 mph at 9pm which is plenty strong to push longer kicks like that. Edited January 22 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 hours ago, Process said: We just gave Bass a big extension this offseason. At the time it seemed like a no brainer. He was so good before this season. Such a shame. How screwed are we with the dead cap on his deal for 2024? Not saying we shouldn't give him another shot. Just wondering if cutting him is even a realistic option if it comes to that. 3 misses in 2 playoff games, after a rough regular season, is hard to accept. Regardless of the cap hit, if he struggles in camp you can’t go into the season with him. I have a feeling he will not be starting for us week 1. I think we are gonna hope he gets better in the off-season, he won’t, and we will sign a cheap guy who was just cut by another team right before the season starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaDigital Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Process said: We just gave Bass a big extension this offseason. At the time it seemed like a no brainer. He was so good before this season. Such a shame. How screwed are we with the dead cap on his deal for 2024? Not saying we shouldn't give him another shot. Just wondering if cutting him is even a realistic option if it comes to that. 3 misses in 2 playoff games, after a rough regular season, is hard to accept. This is disgusting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Chugga said: If the loss doesn’t hurt enough just look at some of these contracts. Yikes Buffalo Bills now have the leagues worst contract for Kicker, Tight End, Defensive End and possibly WR once we find out what’s wrong with Diggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Said it before, Bass is the personification of the McDermott era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedbuffaloblue Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Except we stopped them 2 previous drives, including a 3 and out and b.s pi on 3rd and then got em to gov3 and out again on same drive. You could be right but the D really stepped up in the 4th Well, obviously we will never know for sure what would have happened, but I just can’t see crucifying Bass for losing the game because of missing that FG. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: if there is not an injury issue that they have kept silent for weeks … he is gone … they can’t have him back next year The injury is to his psyche, no coach, trainer or doctor can fix that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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