Josh Allen: The Correct Choice for NFL MVP

[MJS]

I saw this video and thought I would share this. He makes some great points:

 

 

[VW82]

If it wasn't Lamar, it should have been Purdy. I think it was Barnwell who pointed out that Purdy had the 4th greatest statistical season of all time by any/a+. Dak had a better statistical season as well. Mahomes was about the same as Josh and arguably had less weapons. 

 

Josh will hopefully prove he's the best player in the NFL with this upcoming SB run, but as for 2023 MVP, No. 

[julian]

21 minutes ago, VW82 said:

If it wasn't Lamar, it should have been Purdy. I think it was Barnwell who pointed out that Purdy had the 4th greatest statistical season of all time by any/a+. Dak had a better statistical season as well. Mahomes was about the same as Josh and arguably had less weapons. 

 

Josh will hopefully prove he's the best player in the NFL with this upcoming SB run, but as for 2023 MVP, No. 

until you watch Purdy and Allen play the game of football and quickly realize there’s levels to this QB thing lol.

[KDIGGZ]

But Lamar has 50 yards passing at halftime. Josh can't put up those kinds of stats. What a beast

[Donuts and Doritos]

I'd rather he get the SB MVP.

[Warcodered]

Just now, Donuts and Doritos said:

I'd rather he get the SB MVP.

This comment is always so annoying, like who ***** doesn't.

[Donuts and Doritos]

Just now, Warcodered said:

This comment is always so annoying, like who ***** doesn't.

Who cares about the MVP. It's about winning the SB. An MVP w/o a SB is worthless

[Not Applicable]

Anytime Lamar runs into a coach in the postseason who has any defensive acumen, he turns into a poor man's Tyrod Taylor. He's not as good as Allen, Burrow, or Mahomes, for sure, and I don't think as good as A- guys like Herbert and Hurts either.

[Warcodered]

8 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Who cares about the MVP. It's about winning the SB. An MVP w/o a SB is worthless

again who's disagreeing about the Super Bowl being more important? It's like you're having an argument with yourself.

Edited January 20 by Warcodered

[Donuts and Doritos]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

again who's disagreeing about the Super Bowl being more important? It's like you're having an argument with yourself.

Glad you agree with me.

[AlfaBill]

46 minutes ago, julian said:

until you watch Purdy and Allen play the game of football and quickly realize there’s levels to this QB thing lol.

For most people stats are king. 

[MJS]

4 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Who cares about the MVP. It's about winning the SB. An MVP w/o a SB is worthless

It's possible to care about more than one thing. I can want Josh to win an MVP and also want the Bills to win the super bowl.

[buffblue]

5 hours ago, VW82 said:

If it wasn't Lamar, it should have been Purdy. I think it was Barnwell who pointed out that Purdy had the 4th greatest statistical season of all time by any/a+. Dak had a better statistical season as well. Mahomes was about the same as Josh and arguably had less weapons. 

 

Josh will hopefully prove he's the best player in the NFL with this upcoming SB run, but as for 2023 MVP, No. 

Purdy? Lmao

[Big Turk]

5 hours ago, julian said:

until you watch Purdy and Allen play the game of football and quickly realize there’s levels to this QB thing lol.

 

Purdy was surrounding by a cast of all-stars. Put Purdy on the Bills and they win 6 games. Put Allen on the 49ers and they might not lose.

[LarryMadman]

4 hours ago, Patrick Fitzryan said:

Anytime Lamar runs into a coach in the postseason who has any defensive acumen, he turns into a poor man's Tyrod Taylor. He's not as good as Allen, Burrow, or Mahomes, for sure, and I don't think as good as A- guys like Herbert and Hurts either.

Hurts stinks, I would rather have Lamar over Hurts.

[BuffBillsForLife]

CMC is the correct choice for MVP, but he won't win it because he plays the wrong position.

[MJS]

9 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said:

CMC is the correct choice for MVP, but he won't win it because he plays the wrong position.

He had a great season. I think this year it is tough because there is no clear choice. And it is hard to give it to a running back because they just aren't as valuable as QB's these days no matter how you look at it.

[Cray51]

Lamar is going to win with the worst MVP winning statistical season in 15+ years 

[PBF81]

28 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Purdy was surrounding by a cast of all-stars. Put Purdy on the Bills and they win 6 games. Put Allen on the 49ers and they might not lose.

 

I'm tellin' ya, can you imagine Allen on that Niner offense with that offensive coaching.   Don't know about that 6 games thing w/ Purdy though, he's good as well.  

 

NFL records being set with Allen though! 

 

 

Edited January 21 by PBF81

[Buffalo03]

6 hours ago, VW82 said:

If it wasn't Lamar, it should have been Purdy. I think it was Barnwell who pointed out that Purdy had the 4th greatest statistical season of all time by any/a+. Dak had a better statistical season as well. Mahomes was about the same as Josh and arguably had less weapons. 

 

Josh will hopefully prove he's the best player in the NFL with this upcoming SB run, but as for 2023 MVP, No. 

Tell me you're a troll without telling me you're a troll

[BillsPride12]

I would take Allen over Lamar anyday of the week, he is the better QB for sure.  Allen at his best this season is better than Lamar at his best this season.....BUT...the thing that killed Allen's chances at winning MVP this year was having more bad games/moments as well.  Particularly the Jets game which was really a loss squarely on Josh's shoulders.  I mean Dorsey might have played a role in this problem too but the voters won't look at it like that.  I still think Allen wins an MVP or two before his career is over but this season just wasn't meant to be with some of the turnovers and poor performances mixed in with the brilliance.  

[MJS]

7 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

I would take Allen over Lamar anyday of the week, he is the better QB for sure.  Allen at his best this season is better than Lamar at his best this season.....BUT...the thing that killed Allen's chances at winning MVP this year was having more bad games/moments as well.  Particularly the Jets game which was really a loss squarely on Josh's shoulders.  I mean Dorsey might have played a role in this problem too but the voters won't look at it like that.  I still think Allen wins an MVP or two before his career is over but this season just wasn't meant to be with some of the turnovers and poor performances mixed in with the brilliance.  

Lamar has his poor games, too. But he doesn't turn it over as much as Allen, so those don't get talked about as much. I also feel like he is protected by the media a lot more. Nobody is ever really willing to criticize Lamar Jackson. They only say nice things. Fans can be critical, though, and sometimes too critical.

[Billl]

5 hours ago, Patrick Fitzryan said:

Anytime Lamar runs into a coach in the postseason who has any defensive acumen, he turns into a poor man's Tyrod Taylor. He's not as good as Allen, Burrow, or Mahomes, for sure, and I don't think as good as A- guys like Herbert and Hurts either.

You think Herbert is better than Lamar?  🤣

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 hours ago, VW82 said:

If it wasn't Lamar, it should have been Purdy. I think it was Barnwell who pointed out that Purdy had the 4th greatest statistical season of all time by any/a+. Dak had a better statistical season as well. Mahomes was about the same as Josh and arguably had less weapons. 

 

Josh will hopefully prove he's the best player in the NFL with this upcoming SB run, but as for 2023 MVP, No. 

mahomes was 11th in total tds.  Josh was 1st.  How is that the same?

[Low Positive]

5 hours ago, Patrick Fitzryan said:

Anytime Lamar runs into a coach in the postseason who has any defensive acumen, he turns into a poor man's Tyrod Taylor. He's not as good as Allen, Burrow, or Mahomes, for sure, and I don't think as good as A- guys like Herbert and Hurts either.

Demeco Ryans is not a good defensive coach? You can say that you love Josh Allen and still admit that Lamar Jackson is a good QB. There are two QBs that I would rather have than Josh (Mahomes and Burrow), but I still think that Lamar is the 2023 MVP.

[Billl]

9 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

mahomes was 11th in total tds.  Josh was 1st.  How is that the same?

Buffalo lost multiple games this season because Josh gave them away.  The same can’t be said of Mahomes.  Lamar is going to win the MVP this season, and he’s going to deserve it.  That doesn’t mean he’s the best QB in the league.  If it were a “best player in the league” award, it would go to Mahomes or Allen every year.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, Billl said:

Buffalo lost multiple games this season because Josh gave them away.  The same can’t be said of Mahomes.  Lamar is going to win the MVP this season, and he’s going to deserve it.  That doesn’t mean he’s the best QB in the league.  If it were a “best player in the league” award, it would go to Mahomes or Allen every year.

I can remember one pick or fumble six in Josh’s entire career and mahomes gave up one of each on back to back drives this year to lose to a team thats qb through for 61 yards 😂. Multiple turnovers in a loss to Denver too.  A lot of one turnover games where he was just cr*ppy too lol 

 

Mahomes had two huge turnovers overturned vs jets and pats also that absolutely should not have been on top of that.  Still had a two turnover game against NE despite it

Edited January 21 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Billl]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I can remember one pick or fumble six in Josh’s entire career and mahomes gave up one of each on back to back drives this year to lose to a team thats qb through for 61 yards 😂. Multiple turnovers in a loss to Denver too

You’re 100% correct, and you’re proving my point.   Mahomes doesn’t deserve the MVP this year even though he’s a better player than Lamar.  Lamar had the better regular season, and it’s a regular season award.  Mahomes is much more willing to run in the postseason, and he’s an extremely effective runner.  Lamar runs in the regular season.  He deserves the award.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

You’re 100% correct, and you’re proving my point.   Mahomes doesn’t deserve the MVP this year even though he’s a better player than Lamar.  Lamar had the better regular season, and it’s a regular season award.  Mahomes is much more willing to run in the postseason, and he’s an extremely effective runner.  Lamar runs in the regular season.  He deserves the award.

How am I proving your point?  My point is I don’t trust the judgement of a poster that said mahomes and Allen were even this year because it is absolutely not true lol I think you’re underselling him pretty hard if you think mahomes has the same body of work this season 

 

Edited January 21 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Cray51]

31 minutes ago, Billl said:

Buffalo lost multiple games this season because Josh gave them away.  The same can’t be said of Mahomes.  Lamar is going to win the MVP this season, and he’s going to deserve it.  That doesn’t mean he’s the best QB in the league.  If it were a “best player in the league” award, it would go to Mahomes or Allen every year.

Both Allen and Mahomes “lost” one game for their team this season (Allen Jets and Mahomes Raiders)

 

allen and Mahomes had very similar passing statistics this season, with Allen having a profoundly better rushing season.

 

 

to your point, Mahomes amps up running in the postseason, but the MVP is a focus on the regular season.

 

i agree that Lamar will win the MVP, but if Lamar doesn’t exist, Allen is likely top3 in MVP, Mahomes might not be top 10

[folz]

25 minutes ago, Billl said:

Buffalo lost multiple games this season because Josh gave them away.  The same can’t be said of Mahomes.  Lamar is going to win the MVP this season, and he’s going to deserve it.  That doesn’t mean he’s the best QB in the league.  If it were a “best player in the league” award, it would go to Mahomes or Allen every year.

 

I guess you didn't actually watch the video.

 

The video shows pretty clearly that the bold statement in your post is incorrect. You can really only put one game on Josh, the Jets on opening day.

 

Also noted in the video...

Do you think Mahomes shouldn't have won the MVP in 2018?

Because Pat had 21 turnovers that season, yet was still the unanimous MVP. Josh had 22 turnovers in 2023.

 

I'm not saying Josh should absolutely win it, but I don't understand the people that think Allen shouldn't even be in the race with Jackson. It's amazing to me how many people (fans/media) still seem to have a bias against Allen. Josh accounted for 308 points this season. Lamar accounted for 203 points this season. That's basically one more touchdown for Josh in every game this year.

 

                                            Josh                       Lamar

Total Yards                        4,830                       4,499

Passing Yards                   4,306                       3,678

Rushing Yards                     524                           821

Total TDs                              44                             29

Passing TDs                         29                             24

Rushing TDs                         15                               5

Completion %                    66.5%                       67.2%

Total Turnovers                    22                             13

 

Yes, Lamar played one less game than Josh, but if you added one game at his season averages, he would still be 50 yards behind Josh and still way behind Josh's TD totals. You could also argue that Lamar had 9 less turnovers than Josh. But, even if each of those extra turnovers turned into a TD (which they didn't), that would only be a 63-point differential---while Josh's extra TDs (over Lamar's number) equates to 105 points. The difference in completion percentage is negligible. They are the #1 and #2 seeds in the AFC. So, is it simply because the Ravens have two more wins? Does that make an MVP? Otherwise, I'm having a hard time seeing why Lamar is the clear-cut leader. What makes his case so superior to Josh's case?

[LABILLBACKER]

7 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Who cares about the MVP. It's about winning the SB. An MVP w/o a SB is worthless

I agree...win a couple SB mvps and I could care less if he ever wins this AP regular season mvp.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Buffalo lost multiple games this season because Josh gave them away.  The same can’t be said of Mahomes.  Lamar is going to win the MVP this season, and he’s going to deserve it.  That doesn’t mean he’s the best QB in the league.  If it were a “best player in the league” award, it would go to Mahomes or Allen every year.

That's one fallacy that is addressed in the video. Allen did not lose multiple games himself. Quite the opposite, actually.

[RosenNOTchosen1]

No he was terrible for most of the year. 

 

Maybe if was Dorsey's fault but he can't be considered for MVP.

[miketysonslisp]

4 hours ago, folz said:

 

 They are the #1 and #2 seeds in the AFC. So, is it simply because the Ravens have two more wins? Does that make an MVP? Otherwise, I'm having a hard time seeing why Lamar is the clear-cut leader. What makes his case so superior to Josh's case?

Ravens had the most wins while playing in the winningest division in the NFL. They literally blew out playoff caliber teams week in week out. Lamar didnt need 50 tds they were already up on their opponents by the 4th q. We barely scrapped into the playoffs and played a lighter schedule. Give jackson his due. We have another MVP we are eyeing.

[Matt_In_NH]

13 hours ago, VW82 said:

Mahomes was about the same as Josh and arguably had less weapons. 

Only if you ignore rushing

[peterpan]

When is the voting?  If it’s later in the year Allen’s playoff performances could easily get him the MVP (if the voting isn’t over)

[Coach Tuesday]

8 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

I would take Allen over Lamar anyday of the week, he is the better QB for sure.  Allen at his best this season is better than Lamar at his best this season.....BUT...the thing that killed Allen's chances at winning MVP this year was having more bad games/moments as well.  Particularly the Jets game which was really a loss squarely on Josh's shoulders.  I mean Dorsey might have played a role in this problem too but the voters won't look at it like that.  I still think Allen wins an MVP or two before his career is over but this season just wasn't meant to be with some of the turnovers and poor performances mixed in with the brilliance.  

Ironically, that makes Allen more deserving of the honor.  As he goes his team goes, usually.

[DCOrange]

6 hours ago, folz said:

 

I guess you didn't actually watch the video.

 

The video shows pretty clearly that the bold statement in your post is incorrect. You can really only put one game on Josh, the Jets on opening day.

 

Also noted in the video...

Do you think Mahomes shouldn't have won the MVP in 2018?

Because Pat had 21 turnovers that season, yet was still the unanimous MVP. Josh had 22 turnovers in 2023.

 

I'm not saying Josh should absolutely win it, but I don't understand the people that think Allen shouldn't even be in the race with Jackson. It's amazing to me how many people (fans/media) still seem to have a bias against Allen. Josh accounted for 308 points this season. Lamar accounted for 203 points this season. That's basically one more touchdown for Josh in every game this year.

 

                                            Josh                       Lamar

Total Yards                        4,830                       4,499

Passing Yards                   4,306                       3,678

Rushing Yards                     524                           821

Total TDs                              44                             29

Passing TDs                         29                             24

Rushing TDs                         15                               5

Completion %                    66.5%                       67.2%

Total Turnovers                    22                             13

 

Yes, Lamar played one less game than Josh, but if you added one game at his season averages, he would still be 50 yards behind Josh and still way behind Josh's TD totals. You could also argue that Lamar had 9 less turnovers than Josh. But, even if each of those extra turnovers turned into a TD (which they didn't), that would only be a 63-point differential---while Josh's extra TDs (over Lamar's number) equates to 105 points. The difference in completion percentage is negligible. They are the #1 and #2 seeds in the AFC. So, is it simply because the Ravens have two more wins? Does that make an MVP? Otherwise, I'm having a hard time seeing why Lamar is the clear-cut leader. What makes his case so superior to Josh's case?

In addition to not playing the final week, Baltimore was also able to coast in a lot of their games this year. It bit them in the ass a couple times as they blew leads, but by the time you hit the second half or a couple minutes into the second half, they had a 90+% chance of winning basically every game this year and you could pretty clearly tell they took their foot off the gas in those situations a lot. 
 

Ultimately, I don’t think Lamar should win MVP. Don’t think Allen should this season either. But I think Lamar was better than his numbers indicate and Allen was worse than his numbers indicate (though I think his turnovers are overstated this season).

20 minutes ago, peterpan said:

When is the voting?  If it’s later in the year Allen’s playoff performances could easily get him the MVP (if the voting isn’t over)

Voting is done before the playoffs begin. 

[LarryMadman]

2 hours ago, miketysonslisp said:

Ravens had the most wins while playing in the winningest division in the NFL. They literally blew out playoff caliber teams week in week out. Lamar didnt need 50 tds they were already up on their opponents by the 4th q. We barely scrapped into the playoffs and played a lighter schedule. Give jackson his due. We have another MVP we are eyeing.

Like yesterday when he ran the ball into the endzone with 5 minutes to go in the 4th up by 14. Why is he running the ball there, just to pad his "TD" stats, I seen that coming 1000 miles away. The Ravens are good because of their defense, not because of Lamar, so no I wont give him "his due" he dosent deserve it being a middling QB or RB playing the QB position. Lamar is nowhere close to as good a QB as Allen, the eye test and stats prove it, and there isnt a GM in the league who would select Lamar over Josh, that is a fact! 

 

Bills played a weak schedule, you might want to recheck that one!

Edited January 21 by LarryMadman