Royale with Cheese Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Ray Stonada said: Being on a football team like being in a band can easily lead to these issues. I think it’s cool NFL players now try to deal with them openly and are less afraid of being stigmatized for trying to improve. Back in the 90s I used to see some of the Bills out and about on Elmwood or Chippewa and they had often had over ten drinks, by the looks of it. No judgment as I have been there. I grew up in Buffalo! They have to blow off steam somehow with all the pressure and intensity of the job, but that can get out of control quickly. Let’s applaud those like Poyer and Von who are open about needing help. It could help untold Bills fans with similar issues try to get help. I watched a Mickey Mantle interview years ago and the fans contributed to his addiction. People when they saw him out wanted to buy him a drink. This was all the time. Eventually, he became fully dependent on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 hours ago, Ramza86 said: I have no pity for a guy who has everything he has and cant get it right. Simple as. You just don’t get addiction. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) So do we have to update the thread title daily? 170...171....172... Edited January 11 by PromoTheRobot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 For those that want to know, 169 days ago was July 26th 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfronts Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 proof or it did not happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloBillsFanFromItaly Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 28 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: So do we have to update the thread title daily? 170...171....172... It depends whether Von will drink or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saundena Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 hours ago, Ramza86 said: I have no pity for a guy who has everything he has and cant get it right. Simple as. It's a disease 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 7 minutes ago, saundena said: It's a disease It’s a semantics argument, I’d say it’s a habit. It’s nurture more than nature. Not saying it’s not a serious problem. It’s in the same category as obesity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 10 minutes ago, saundena said: It's a disease Like epilepsy? Does that mean epileptics should quit having epilepsy and avoid relapses and they can just not have seizers? No, no one actually thinks that. It's not the same as a disease, is it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saundena Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 minutes ago, colin said: Like epilepsy? Does that mean epileptics should quit having epilepsy and avoid relapses and they can just not have seizers? No, no one actually thinks that. It's not the same as a disease, is it? It's recognized as a disease by doctors, governmental bodies, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Good for him. I hope he keeps it up as I hope he learns to control his anger issues and get healthy on the field again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 hours ago, Ramza86 said: I have no pity for a guy who has everything he has and cant get it right. Simple as. This is the stupidest comment I have read here in a while, and there are plenty of stupid comments here. Good job. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 hours ago, scuba guy said: I have to friends and a cousin who are all counselors. Not an easy task to get over once you are an addic you will always be one they lie all the time. That is why they always go to meetings 🙄. Good for him They go to meeting to lie? What a novel concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 hours ago, Ramza86 said: I have no pity for a guy who has everything he has and cant get it right. Simple as. Let's give you 150 Million Dollars and record your life for a few years shall we?!?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 10 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Let's give you 150 Million Dollars and record your life for a few years shall we?!?!?!?! Yes please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 13 minutes ago, SoMAn said: They go to meeting to lie? What a novel concept. Well addicts say alot and talk the talk just to make it look good for there family and friends. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 41 minutes ago, saundena said: It's recognized as a disease by doctors, governmental bodies, etc. so have many other things that are no longer recognized as such by the same people. a political organization making a political action doesn't change reality no matter how hard they try. if you really want to do something, but know it's not good for you so you stop, that doesn't fit any reasonable definition of disease. the argument that they simply cannot stop is questionable. long and large enough abuse of some substances (alcohol, opiates) can lead to an actual disease whereby if the addict were to just stop cold turkey they have severe health consequences, including potentially death. in (and at least some have been replicated so there is at least a bit of validity to them) studies of intertemporal preferences of drug addicts (meaning straight up threw their life away and are homeless) drug addicts demonstrate rational behavior where they will forgo a portion of narcotics to which they are addicted today for a larger portion tomorrow (and various other time periods). this shows self interested rationality. no one who is lactose intolerant will "tolerate" lactose for some kind of reward, nor will our epileptic hold off on seizures for some kind of pay off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenDaBomb Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I'm a mental health professional and addiction specialist who works with people with substance use disorders on a daily basis. It is well established by science that addiction fits into a disease framework, as it causes observable changes to several parts of the brain (e.g the prefrontal cortex and mesodopamine limbic system) that impacts judgment, impulse control and basic survival drives. If you care to do a little research, this is one resource I provide to my patients to help educate, and I have plenty others (just ask) https://www.recoveryanswers.org/recovery-101/brain-in-recovery/ 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 57 minutes ago, saundena said: It's recognized as a disease by doctors, governmental bodies, etc. Once substance use/abuse changes the brain chemistry to the point that there is chronic brain disorder then the medical community classifies addiction as a disease. At that point the medical realities are physical and in the same realm as other diseases so they must be addressed as such. But I think that the reason people often take issue with that classification is because a person's choices are (generally speaking) what leads them down the path where they get to that point. It isn't difficult to understand that someone who was born with or watched a loved one suffer/die from something like Cystic Fibrosis or cancer (despite living a healthy lifestyle) would take issue being classified the same as someone who chose to drink heavily until they got to a point of alcohol addiction. It isn't the same situation. Not remotely. That doesn't mean that one should not have sympathy for addicts, that they shouldn't be supportive or that addicts deserve to be mocked. I'm not saying that at all. But let's not pretend there are no differences in the process either. Edited January 11 by BarleyNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 6 hours ago, muppy said: it doesn't say why 169 was significant. Other than that is an achievement in itself. And deciding to announce it publicly is a step not everyone takes. Keep it going Von. I don't know what else to say. Most people who successfully battle addiction come public with it.. look at Von Miller and Poyer. It's their way of holding themselves accountable. If they backslide, they're letting everyone in their corner down. It adds pressure to stay sober. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Gross, wasting all this money on a hot mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 13 hours ago, boyst said: DO NOT TURN THIS INTO A PERFORMANCE PIECE OF YOUR ARTICULATION ON HIS PLAYING ABILITY, OR HIS CRIMINAL CASE, PLEASE. As per his IG story he celebrated his 169 day of sobriety. Substance abuse is real, it is ugly, and it can have terrible consequences. Anyone can develop it and suffer. Congratulations to him and everyone else on their efforts to lead a healthy lifestyle. Anyone struggling should know they're not alone. Others have been there and going through it, too. Your friends, family, and fellow Bills fans want you to succeed. at this risk of sounding self-servy douchey, i hit 4 years clean last Saturday. LITERALLY saved my life. reach out to family, friends, a 12step program, a professional, doesnt really matter who, just get the ball rolling and youll find your route there! 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I don't believe it... sorry, but the alleged incident didn't supposedly happen out of the ether. Many addicts can claim they are clean... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, BillsShredder83 said: at this risk of sounding self-servy douchey, i hit 4 years clean last Saturday. LITERALLY saved my life. reach out to family, friends, a 12step program, a professional, doesnt really matter who, just get the ball rolling and youll find your route there! 18 years for me this past October. Good job Shredder 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Respect for Von becoming sober. It's been almost 2 years for me and I haven't looked back 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Alcoholics Anonymous being a program that helps achieve sobriety keeps anonymity as a premise. But folks who succeed wish to celebrate it, maybe acknowledge and make it a power statement and do so publically. Maybe the difference is doing so Publicly vs privately I totally get and agree with doing that. More power to him! Just to clarify my previous thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2 hours ago, colin said: Like epilepsy? Does that mean epileptics should quit having epilepsy and avoid relapses and they can just not have seizers? No, no one actually thinks that. It's not the same as a disease, is it? Ignorance at its finest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I am an alcoholic, but only on weekends 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Good for Von! I’ve worked in human services for nearly 6 years, most of that time in shelters. How much you make and ease of avoiding/battling addiction do not run parallel to each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 15 minutes ago, Blackbeard said: Ignorance at its finest. well, tbh i'm not acknowledging what the modern meaning of disease is, which is something that absolves a person of their own bad actions. so in a way, you are correct. but, in another more accurate way, no, no you are quite wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 8 minutes ago, colin said: well, tbh i'm not acknowledging what the modern meaning of disease is, which is something that absolves a person of their own bad actions. so in a way, you are correct. but, in another more accurate way, no, no you are quite wrong. Didn't you get enough attention as a kid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, Blackbeard said: Didn't you get enough attention as a kid? “Decades of Science, psychology, and sociology be damned, here’s my own personal opinion which is basically a fact” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 9 minutes ago, Blackbeard said: Didn't you get enough attention as a kid? maybe im just ADDICTED to attention, which i've come to learn from the wise and informed on here is a disease! hey, im five minutes sober now, will you guys be throwing me a parade? i cured my own disease, via not doing the thing i did before. like magic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I am 11 days into dry January. I do it every year but this year I was particularly focussed on it because I did worry that in the final months of 2023 I might have been pretty close to being dependant. The opening of a bottle of wine when I get home / finish work had become a core part of my own stress management. I have found it much easier than I thought, which in a sense is reassuring that I am not as close to dependency as I might have feared.... but also the fact that I don't really feel like a drink suggests that at the end of last year I was drinking through habit not because I particularly wanted a drink and that in itself isn't a great place to be. I don't have any intention of giving up longer term, but post January I am definitely going to try and put some better guard rails around when I do and don't drink the rest of the year. Because it an easily become a crutch. I wont pretend to know your status with alcohol, and everyone is very different, but booze is conniving and tricky. It will convince you its every factor (oh me and :booze type here: dont get along very well, if i avoid THAT one, ill be fine) other than the booze. Try to take a close look at it through January, and see if anything changes. Nothing but love from me, im not anti-drinking, just anti-me-drinking lol take care of yourself and just be aware of how tricky it can be. personally for me, i had it down to, "as long as i dont drink liquors ending in letter A, on days I eat ham, and wear no show ankle socks, im fine" lol being facetious a bit, but really i had a million of these that i believed hook line n sinker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (One hundred and) 69….. nice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 18 minutes ago, colin said: maybe im just ADDICTED to attention, which i've come to learn from the wise and informed on here is a disease! hey, im five minutes sober now, will you guys be throwing me a parade? i cured my own disease, via not doing the thing i did before. like magic! Ignorant and d bag. Makes sense. usually the two go hand in hand. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I am 11 days into dry January. I do it every year but this year I was particularly focussed on it because I did worry that in the final months of 2023 I might have been pretty close to being dependant. The opening of a bottle of wine when I get home / finish work had become a core part of my own stress management. I have found it much easier than I thought, which in a sense is reassuring that I am not as close to dependency as I might have feared.... but also the fact that I don't really feel like a drink suggests that at the end of last year I was drinking through habit not because I particularly wanted a drink and that in itself isn't a great place to be. I don't have any intention of giving up longer term, but post January I am definitely going to try and put some better guard rails around when I do and don't drink the rest of the year. Because it an easily become a crutch. A nightly bottle of wine at dinner and an after dinner whiskey for dessert is a pretty standard experience around here. I've never thought of it as a dependency thing and isn't really about getting intoxicated - more about just making every meal and evening as nice as possible - though I have considered at times that it may be habit forming even if no one is getting sloppy. After a good 10 years of it being the norm, I don't find I need a drink when it's not there, but it all makes you wonder, especially when you come from families that have problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 14 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said: Surely people here will be supportive, and not take this as a chance to bash him. ....too late, already several yahoos chiming in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: A nightly bottle of wine at dinner and an after dinner whiskey for dessert is a pretty standard experience around here. Like; per person? Or shared between a few people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Blackbeard said: Ignorant and d bag. Makes sense. usually the two go hand in hand. weak willed and pity seeking, like peas in a pod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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