Double dip at receiver?

[whorlnut]

I’m really hoping Beane takes a WR in the first round this year and would then like to see another taken in round 2 if they are rated high on our board. We did this with Rousseau and Basham when we needed someone to get after Mahomes. Why can’t we do it again for our franchise qb?  
 

Go hard at the position and give yourself the best shot possible at finding another top receiver. These guys could end up being WR1 and WR2 after Diggs leaves. I love the idea of rookie contracts, with one having the fifth year option. This is a passing league and if we hit on one, that gives Allen Kincaid and the new guy for at least 4 years on rookie deals. If we hit on both, then all the better. 

[HomeTeam]

Our WR room definitely needs an infusion of young blood. I'm not sure if they will force the issue in the first two rounds, they usually go BPA. 

[BringBackFergy]

Couldn’t you wait until, I don’t know…February

[Don Otreply]

3 minutes ago, HomeTeam said:

Our WR room definitely needs an infusion of young blood. I'm not sure if they will force the issue in the first two rounds, they usually go BPA. 

Which may very well be a WR, which I would be good with, anyone got the under/over on a D lineman going first…, 😁👍

 

 

[The Cincinnati Kid]

Just look at the Bengals. Had Boyd and drafted Tee. Had Boyd and Tee and then drafted Chase. Those three with Joey B have been awesome.  Just keep picking them high.

[Bangarang]

9 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Couldn’t you wait until, I don’t know…February

You think this discussion is distracting from the team’s Miami prep work?

[whorlnut]

10 minutes ago, HomeTeam said:

Our WR room definitely needs an infusion of young blood. I'm not sure if they will force the issue in the first two rounds, they usually go BPA. 

They set a precedent in 21 with Rousseau and Basham. They went into that offseason with the mindset they needed to “sack Mahomes”. They literally said it. I can’t imagine them not viewing receiver as the biggest need heading into this off-season. 

[The Cincinnati Kid]

Just now, Bangarang said:

You think this discussion is distracting from the team’s Miami prep work?

Obviously they waste company time and money reading these threads and vigorously responding!

[Clyde Smith]

I like what Green Bay did with their receiving Corp. All young, and been in under two years.

Deep draft class for receivers, draft one in 1st and 3rd-5th.

[whorlnut]

5 minutes ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

Just look at the Bengals. Had Boyd and drafted Tee. Had Boyd and Tee and then drafted Chase. Those three with Joey B have been awesome.  Just keep picking them high.

Other than using a first on Diggs, the highest pick that Beane has turned in a card at WR was fourth round. It’s comical how much they seemed to neglect getting Allen top WR talent. 

[That's No Moon]

Two WRs and two safeties.

[whorlnut]

3 minutes ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

Obviously they waste company time and money reading these threads and vigorously responding!

Yep…posts like those are so unnecessary. As if we can’t talk about off-season needs before the season is over. So lame. It’s clear by now what we need and it’s well within our right to discuss it. 

[No_Matter_What]

Anyone who doesn't think that Beane will try to draft WR in R1 this year is not paying attention. And I also think he'll try to get another one in later rounds.

 

Only question is how hard he will try. Depends on where we end up drafting and which players will he like.

 

If it was up to me, I'd be ready to give up next year's no. 1 if there was a guy I wanted and I thought he was that much better than alternative options. And I am usually against any trade ups. We really need some relatively cheap top end WR talent. I bet Beane thinks the same.

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, That's No Moon said:

Two WRs and two safeties.

WR - round 1

WR - round 2

S - round 5

S - round 6

 

mcd is a db whisperer that turns safeties and corners into stars. Just need to find the ones with the right traits. 

[NewEra]

I’d be all in favor.  That said, I think we’re going to go WR then DL or DL then WR.  Maybe another WR in rd 3.  Then a combination of S, OL, DL.  Maybe a QB

3 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

WR - round 1

WR - round 2

S - round 5

S - round 6

 

mcd is a db whisperer that turns safeties and corners into stars. Just need to find the ones with the right traits. 

McD is the DL hoarder.  Expect DL early

[Aussie Joe]

 If they think here is talent there when they pick in he first and second  then yeah cool … don’t have a problem with it as long as they don’t have a preconceived strategy and end up reaching  …

 

Basham was a bust obviously but it wasn’t a deliberate reach … they had him graded higher than the reality ..it happens and they have got plenty of others right … 
 

[ngbills]

Got to see who is available but no issue taking two early. It is the premium position we need the most help. 

[Logic]

Yes. 

I mean...it's too early for this talk, and we have a massive matchup coming up in five days, and the playoffs are on the horizon, and it's insane to me that people are thinking draft, but...

Yes. Double dip at receiver. Take one in the first round -- the Bills haven't DRAFTED a receiver in the 1st round in forever -- and then again in the mid to late rounds. Offensively, the Bills are talented at OL, TE, and RB1. They need to finally draft some premium WR talent and find a long term backup/running mate for Cook, and I'll feel good about that side of the ball for the next few years to come.

One need only watch our WRs not gain appreciable separation in man coverage so many times this year before concluding that outside WR is (and really, has been for a while now) a major need.

I'm well aware of the needs at DL, Safety, etc, etc....and I frankly don't care. Give me premium offense around Josh Allen. I trust McDermott (who is, at this point, certain to be our head coach next year) to make chicken salad out of chicken crap on defense, as he always does. GIVE ME OFFENSE.
 

[Chicken Boo]

Don't threaten me with a good time.  I'd be all about it. 

 

Load this offense up and let'er rip.  

[That's No Moon]

21 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

WR - round 1

WR - round 2

S - round 5

S - round 6

 

mcd is a db whisperer that turns safeties and corners into stars. Just need to find the ones with the right traits. 

WR 1, S 2, WR 3, S 5

[whorlnut]

17 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’d be all in favor.  That said, I think we’re going to go WR then DL or DL then WR.  Maybe another WR in rd 3.  Then a combination of S, OL, DL.  Maybe a QB

McD is the DL hoarder.  Expect DL early

I’m ok with DT in 2. I love a game wrecking DT. What would irritate me is a db early. McD is elite at getting the most out of mid round DBs. 

15 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 If they think here is talent there when they pick in he first and second  then yeah cool … don’t have a problem with it as long as they don’t have a preconceived strategy and end up reaching  …

 

Basham was a bust obviously but it wasn’t a deliberate reach … they had him graded higher than the reality ..it happens and they have got plenty of others right … 
 

That’s what they told us. We don’t know for sure. They also told us Elam was the last player they had with a first round grade. He didn’t even fit their scheme. It was an obvious reach at a position of need. 

[JerseyBills]

Just now, That's No Moon said:

WR 1, S 2, WR 3, S 5

What about DL? 

We unfortunately need another. Only have Von (?) and Groot under contract.  

 

S can be handled in FA

[whorlnut]

16 minutes ago, Logic said:

Yes. 

I mean...it's too early for this talk, and we have a massive matchup coming up in five days, and the playoffs are on the horizon, and it's insane to me that people are thinking draft, but...

Yes. Double dip at receiver. Take one in the first round -- the Bills haven't DRAFTED a receiver in the 1st round in forever -- and then again in the mid to late rounds. Offensively, the Bills are talented at OL, TE, and RB1. They need to finally draft some premium WR talent and find a long term backup/running mate for Cook, and I'll feel good about that side of the ball for the next few years to come.

One need only watch our WRs not gain appreciable separation in man coverage so many times this year before concluding that outside WR is (and really, has been for a while now) a major need.

I'm well aware of the needs at DL, Safety, etc, etc....and I frankly don't care. Give me premium offense around Josh Allen. I trust McDermott (who is, at this point, certain to be our head coach next year) to make chicken salad out of chicken crap on defense, as he always does. GIVE ME OFFENSE.
 

It’s “too early”, but you took the time to respond with a long post.  Haha

5 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

WR 1, S 2, WR 3, S 5

No thanks 

[Special K]

WR room is going to look completely different next year.....Sherfield and Harty will be cut, Davis is likely leaving in FA.

 

I think its a no-brainer to take two WR's in this draft, one high to be an instant starter at WR2, and another with speed and KR/PR ability.

 

Shorter will probably get a look at the big WR that also plays Special Teams role.

 

If they draft right, a WR room of Diggs, the two draft picks, Shakir and Shorter could be quite promising.

Edited January 3 by Special K

[whorlnut]

6 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

What about DL? 

We unfortunately need another. Only have Von (?) and Groot under contract.  

 

S can be handled in FA

I’m all about a DT wedged in between 2 WR picks. I just can’t fathom a DB before round 4 with how well McD can coach them up. Tre was the only highly drafted db in the McD era that has had any sort of contribution.

[BADOLBILZ]

54 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

I’m really hoping Beane takes a WR in the first round this year and would then like to see another taken in round 2 if they are rated high on our board. We did this with Rousseau and Basham when we needed someone to get after Mahomes. Why can’t we do it again for our franchise qb?  
 

Go hard at the position and give yourself the best shot possible at finding another top receiver. These guys could end up being WR1 and WR2 after Diggs leaves. I love the idea of rookie contracts, with one having the fifth year option. This is a passing league and if we hit on one, that gives Allen Kincaid and the new guy for at least 4 years on rookie deals. If we hit on both, then all the better. 

 

 

Yeah I agree.   And if they f#ck around with scrub types like Harty and Sherfield in UFA again then hopefully they come away with 3 out of this draft.

 

Problem is that the teams that have 3 excellent WR's are displaying just how valuable those assets are.   

 

Which is why there are going to be 6-9 WR's in round 1.

 

That's going to really thin out round 2 and beyond.

 

There are still going to be some good receivers then but it's not going to be shooting fish in a barrel like when guys like AJ Brown and DK Metcalf dropped in the draft because teams were scared off by some bad receiver drafts following the strong 2014 class.

 

They may not be able to get a second high profile WR prospect in round 2 because of the demand..........but they need to keep the WR position just as valued in later rounds at it is earlier rounds.   Doing that with CB allowed them to get Christian Benford.  

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah I agree.   And if they f#ck around with scrub types like Harty and Sherfield in UFA again then hopefully they come away with 3 out of this draft.

 

Problem is that the teams that have 3 excellent WR's are displaying just how valuable those assets are.   

 

Which is why there are going to be 6-9 WR's in round 1.

 

That's going to really thin out round 2 and beyond.

 

There are still going to be some good receivers then but it's not going to be shooting fish in a barrel like when guys like AJ Brown and DK Metcalf dropped in the draft because teams were scared off by some bad receiver drafts following the strong 2014 class.

 

They may not be able to get a second high profile WR prospect in round 2 because of the demand..........but they need to keep the WR position just as valued in later rounds at it is earlier rounds.   Doing that with CB allowed them to get Christian Benford.  

When they went and got Harty and Sherfield last year I hated it because I felt that took WR off the board early. I was right. However, we still got a pass catcher in Kincaid so it wasn’t so bad. However…if we get a few FA receivers early in FA this year, I’ll get a little concerned again. I do think by now Beane has to see that bargain shopping has gotten us to this point. 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Yes we need a WR (Round 1). But we need DT (only 1 under contract right now for next year), Safety & probably DE too. 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Clyde Smith said:

I like what Green Bay did with their receiving Corp. All young, and been in under two years.

Deep draft class for receivers, draft one in 1st and 3rd-5th.

Green Bay did good but what about the Chiefs?

[Aussie Joe]

39 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

 

That’s what they told us. We don’t know for sure. They also told us Elam was the last player they had with a first round grade. He didn’t even fit their scheme. It was an obvious reach at a position of need. 

My theory is that they were going to take Basham in the first if Rousseau was taken by someone else … be grateful that didn’t happen …

[BADOLBILZ]

43 minutes ago, Logic said:

Yes. 

I mean...it's too early for this talk, and we have a massive matchup coming up in five days, and the playoffs are on the horizon, and it's insane to me that people are thinking draft, but...
 

 

 

The offense has sucked the past two weeks.   If they play as poorly as they have in those games this Sunday night they will likely lose..........and then the season could well be over. 

 

I don't think they will........I expect them to play up to the competition enough to get a W.......so there is your next game talk.

 

But because their pass game has been so bad and gotten progressively worse thru 16/17th's of an NFL season.......... it's not too early to discuss how it's going to be addressed in the coming months.  

 

There isn't much runway left.......we know what they are at WR at this point.    Sharty and Sherfield aren't changing their narrative.    Davis isn't going to fool anyone with a big game or two any longer.  

[GunnerBill]

WR and DL first two picks.

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

When they went and got Harty and Sherfield last year I hated it because I felt that took WR off the board early. I was right. However, we still got a pass catcher in Kincaid so it wasn’t so bad. However…if we get a few FA receivers early in FA this year, I’ll get a little concerned again. I do think by now Beane has to see that bargain shopping has gotten us to this point. 

 

 

Oh they will have to sign some vets in UFA.    They only have 4 WR under contract for next season........and one of those is Shorter who has never played an NFL down.........and that number will drop to 3 when they dump Harty prior to his $500K roster bonus coming due 5 days into the beginning of UFA.       

[whorlnut]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Oh they will have to sign some vets in UFA.    They only have 4 WR under contract for next season........and one of those is Shorter who has never played an NFL down.........and that number will drop to 3 when they dump Harty prior to his $500K roster bonus coming due 5 days into the beginning of UFA.       

Ok…if the sign wrs and ignore defensive line…I will be upset. That will leave that as a “need” in the draft. Enough with dumpster diving at WR and hoping something sticks. Time to start burning some top picks on that position. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

Other than using a first on Diggs, the highest pick that Beane has turned in a card at WR was fourth round. It’s comical how much they seemed to neglect getting Allen top WR talent. 

I agree Whorl...Diggs is slowing down. Gabe is as good as gone. Knox is no longer part of this offense as a receiver. That leaves us Kincaid & Shakir.  We must be bold and go after Odunze or Coleman in the 1st.  Then I would start looking for another wr in the 3rd-4th round.

[aristocrat]

1 hour ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

Just look at the Bengals. Had Boyd and drafted Tee. Had Boyd and Tee and then drafted Chase. Those three with Joey B have been awesome.  Just keep picking them high.

Except joe b gets killed cause no o line. We do need wr but we need a center next imo. 

[Chicken Boo]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I agree Whorl...Diggs is slowing down. Gabe is as good as gone. Knox is no longer part of this offense as a receiver. That leaves us Kincaid & Shakir.  We must be bold and go after Odunze or Coleman in the 1st.  Then I would start looking for another wr in the 3rd-4th round.

 

I'd take Franklin over Coleman.  Coleman has good size and great hands, but doesn't get a lot of separation.  It gives me pause.  Shades of N'Keal Harry.  

 

Odunze will be long gone, most likely. 

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

Just look at the Bengals. Had Boyd and drafted Tee. Had Boyd and Tee and then drafted Chase. Those three with Joey B have been awesome.  Just keep picking them high.

Mathematically eliminated.

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I'd take Franklin over Coleman.  Coleman has good size and great hands, but doesn't get a lot of separation.  It gives me pause.  Shades of N'Keal Harry.  

 

Odunze will be long gone, most likely. 

I want a WR that catches the ball with his hands and doesn’t let it come to his body all the time. Those guys include Coleman, Egbuka, Legette, Polk, and Brian Thomas. The other top guys like to use their bodies too much imo.

[Clyde Smith]

30 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Green Bay did good but what about the Chiefs?

They hit with Rice, that's about it.