NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 8 hours ago, whorlnut said: I’m really hoping Beane takes a WR in the first round this year and would then like to see another taken in round 2 if they are rated high on our board. We did this with Rousseau and Basham when we needed someone to get after Mahomes. Why can’t we do it again for our franchise qb? Go hard at the position and give yourself the best shot possible at finding another top receiver. These guys could end up being WR1 and WR2 after Diggs leaves. I love the idea of rookie contracts, with one having the fifth year option. This is a passing league and if we hit on one, that gives Allen Kincaid and the new guy for at least 4 years on rookie deals. If we hit on both, then all the better. If Beane is drafting these WRs I say absolutely not! He’s even on record saying he’s horrible at drafting at that position no thanks unless he’s gone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 7 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: Anyone who doesn't think that Beane will try to draft WR in R1 this year is not paying attention. And I also think he'll try to get another one in later rounds. Only question is how hard he will try. Depends on where we end up drafting and which players will he like. If it was up to me, I'd be ready to give up next year's no. 1 if there was a guy I wanted and I thought he was that much better than alternative options. And I am usually against any trade ups. We really need some relatively cheap top end WR talent. I bet Beane thinks the same. Maybe Beane double dips on his trade for a Wr strategy and goes after Devante Adams this offseason. Beane knows he stinks at drafting WRs . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 49 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: If Beane is drafting these WRs I say absolutely not! He’s even on record saying he’s horrible at drafting at that position no thanks unless he’s gone. He's on record saying he's horrible at drafting WR's? Really? When did he say this? I call BS. Considering he's never taken one before Round 4 - how can you even judge that? And honestly, the performances of guys like Gabe Davis (Round 4), Khalil Shakir (Round 5), Ray-Ray McCloud (Round 6 - albeit elsewhere) and Isaiah Hodgins (Round 6 - albeit elsewhere), have exceeded their Draft positions. Success past Round 3 at WR is very few and far between. We wait to see what will come of Justin Shorter (Round 5), another late round pick. The only ones you can say were a real miss was Marquez Stevenson (6th Round Pick) and Austin Proehl (7th Round Pick). Again, it's not expected a 6th or 7th Round Pick will amount to much. Edited January 3 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: He's on record saying he's horrible at drafting WR's? Really? When did he say this? I call BS. Considering he's never taken one before Round 4 - how can you even judge that? And honestly, the performances of guys like Gabe Davis (Round 4), Khalil Shakir (Round 5), and Isiah Hodgins (Round 6 - albeit elsewhere), have exceeded their Draft positions. Success past Round 3 at WR is very few and far between. The only one you can say was a real miss was Marquez Stevenson and he was a 6th Round Pick also. It's not expected a 6th Round Pick will amount to much. He basically said it after the Diggs trade then he showed by the Diggs trade because that was a great yr for WRs and Jefferson was there in that spot as well as other WRs that were drafted afterwards. I don’t remember exactly the words Beane used when he traded for Diggs I just remember the jist of it was he wasn’t confident in his ability to draft at that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: He basically said it after the Diggs trade then he showed by the Diggs trade because that was a great yr for WRs and Jefferson was there in that spot as well as other WRs that were drafted afterwards. I don’t remember exactly the words Beane used when he traded for Diggs I just remember the jist of it was he wasn’t confident in his ability to draft at that position. He said he wasn't confident they'd be able to land the kind of difference maker they wanted there and were confident that Diggs was the better option. No one knew Justin Jefferson was going to become Justin Jefferson. If they did, he wouldn't have lasted as long as they did. Seriously putting words in his mouth there. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: He said he wasn't confident they'd be able to land the kind of difference maker they wanted there and were confident that Diggs was the better option. No one knew Justin Jefferson was going to become Justin Jefferson. If they did, he wouldn't have lasted as long as they did. Seriously putting words in his mouth there. Well I remember saying Jefferson was gonna be drafted in that aera and loving him as a prospect. Im pretty sure he went deeper then that from what he said but his actions proved he sucks at drafting at that position not to mention all the other young stud WRs in the NFL that he passed on in other rounds. Btw they did draft a couple busts at that position while in Carolina u remember Benjamin or Funchness both were trash! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 2 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Well I remember saying Jefferson was gonna be drafted in that aera and loving him as a prospect. Im pretty sure he went deeper then that from what he said but his actions proved he sucks at drafting at that position not to mention all the other young stud WRs in the NFL that he passed on in other rounds. Btw they did draft a couple busts at that position while in Carolina u remember Benjamin or Funchness both were trash! We had the ability and the money to get one of the top 5 WR's in the NFL in Diggs and we took the sure thing over the Draft Pick that year. It just so happened, Jefferson became one of those himself. But at the time, he was the 5th WR taken that year. So take a sure fire thing or take the 5th WR off the board? It's a no brainer. Only through hindsight can it be questioned. As for Funchess and Benjamin, he was just an Assistant. He didn't make those picks. And with Funchess, he wasn't even so much as the Assistant GM at that point. We cannot afford a serious difference maker at WR via FA or Trade. So you might want to get over this stretch of an idea that he can't Draft a WR and/or hope for the best. Davante Adams is an absolute pipe dream. Again, he has never picked a WR before Round 4 - so the data isn't there to say he can't do it. And ultimately, the Draft is a crap chute anyways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 46 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: If Beane is drafting these WRs I say absolutely not! He’s even on record saying he’s horrible at drafting at that position no thanks unless he’s gone. Gonna need a quote on that. That's like a plumber admitting that drains aren't his strong suit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 They did draft a pass catching te I the first round. Planning to draft the same position in rounds one and two seems very amateurish to me. They will have to replace Gabe and drafting a young talent on a rookie deal is a good way to do that. But there will be other needs like safety, DT and DE where lots of people come off the books 3 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: If Beane is drafting these WRs I say absolutely not! He’s even on record saying he’s horrible at drafting at that position no thanks unless he’s gone. List the WRs Beane has drafted? Have they performed ok considering the draft position? I would love to see this actual quote I don’t believe he said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 12 hours ago, whorlnut said: I’m really hoping Beane takes a WR in the first round this year and would then like to see another taken in round 2 if they are rated high on our board. We did this with Rousseau and Basham when we needed someone to get after Mahomes. Why can’t we do it again for our franchise qb? Go hard at the position and give yourself the best shot possible at finding another top receiver. These guys could end up being WR1 and WR2 after Diggs leaves. I love the idea of rookie contracts, with one having the fifth year option. This is a passing league and if we hit on one, that gives Allen Kincaid and the new guy for at least 4 years on rookie deals. If we hit on both, then all the better. Diggs, Shakir, Harty and Shorter are currently under contract for next season. That’s definitely not great. It’ll be Diggs’ age 31 season so it may be his last as a Bill. Shakir is a useful WR, but I don’t think he’s a starter, at least not yet. Harty should be cut and Shorter will be batting for a roster spot. That leaves a lot of work to be done. Free agency and/or trades have to yield something of value this off-season. I’d have no issue with finding and paying their next WR1 this way as the year 1 (and 2) cap hit(s) can be kept low. The biggest issue is actually finding such a player available. But we did it with Diggs and other teams have done it so it is possible. At minimum a serviceable vet who can start at WR2 while rookies are developed needs to be acquired. Yes, the Bills will need to draft a couple WRs and I have no issue with ant least one early depending on how the corps looks at that point. But it’s not Madden. Rookies rarely make a big impact in year 1. Some take a couple seasons and some never pan out. Drafting one in round 1 certainly improves the odds, but every team in the league knows what we need so we will have to move up for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 12 hours ago, That's No Moon said: WR 1, S 2, WR For the team this would be the most sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: He said he wasn't confident they'd be able to land the kind of difference maker they wanted there and were confident that Diggs was the better option. No one knew Justin Jefferson was going to become Justin Jefferson. If they did, he wouldn't have lasted as long as they did. Seriously putting words in his mouth there. Disagree with the Jefferson part. You could tell by watching LSU games that he was as talented, if not more so, then the guys who were drafted from that program before him: Landry, Beckham, Bowe just to name a few. On the other hand if, as a spectator, you feel Chase was going to be special then Justin is in that same boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Roster spots. That’s why we won’t. An edge defender can play as a rookie, many receivers take a season to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 14 hours ago, whorlnut said: Other than using a first on Diggs, the highest pick that Beane has turned in a card at WR was fourth round. It’s comical how much they seemed to neglect getting Allen top WR talent. The Bills invested a #1 pick on Diggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 They still have young receivers developing in Shakir and Shorter. I’m all for using first pick on WR if it’s a stud who can complement Diggs, but we have other needs too. Use 2nd on DL that will need replenishing after the cap claims a couple linemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I won’t mind that at all. I’m in love with Rome O but that is a pipe dream. I also think we desperately need a stud pass rusher. but if there was ever a year to need a wr, this is the one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 14 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: If they think here is talent there when they pick in he first and second then yeah cool … don’t have a problem with it as long as they don’t have a preconceived strategy and end up reaching … Basham was a bust obviously but it wasn’t a deliberate reach … they had him graded higher than the reality ..it happens and they have got plenty of others right … Yes, but.. The Draft is simply a crap shoot. Especially with WRs. Ya just never know and they typically take a few years to realize their potential. Could be a bust or could be a Jerry Butler/JD Hill. Imo, a very good WR to play with Josh for a few seasons is best left to a trade or FA signing -Not early Draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: He basically said it after the Diggs trade then he showed by the Diggs trade because that was a great yr for WRs and Jefferson was there in that spot as well as other WRs that were drafted afterwards. I don’t remember exactly the words Beane used when he traded for Diggs I just remember the jist of it was he wasn’t confident in his ability to draft at that position. Wth are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: No one knew Justin Jefferson was going to become Justin Jefferson. Not sure how you can say that. Jefferson was a great prospect and he’s still on a rookie contract. Meanwhile, Diggs has hit a wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, BBFL said: Disagree with the Jefferson part. You could tell by watching LSU games that he was as talented, if not more so, then the guys who were drafted from that program before him: Landry, Beckham, Bowe just to name a few. On the other hand if, as a spectator, you feel Chase was going to be special then Justin is in that same boat. And yet, somehow, the great Howie Roseman took Jaelon Reagor over Jefferson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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