Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas

[boyst]

5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

For sure, but was he asked if it was out of character or did he bring it up on his own? Legally, those past events never happened and that’s the narrative that Beane needs to tone his messages by. He really can’t come out and be like “Nah dudes trash,” he has to tote that professional response line. 

If asked if this is out of character

"Von is a tremendous player and contributes a lot to the organization and community."

 

If pressed there are plenty of outs. 

 

If not asked, you don't bring up his character when it's already been in jeopardy. 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 minute ago, Back2Buff said:

It's a no brainer to keep Von away from team.  His play is terrible and we already have 4 DEs.  I don't know what Beane is doing, but its embarrassing. 

I think it's Beane being cut between a rock and a hard place:

-He cannot cut Von Miller to remove temptation. It is mathematically impossible

-If he suspends Miller the team is paying Miller a lot NOT to contribute. If the team looks the same or better, it's a terrible deal he signed. If the Bills look worse, he's the one who took a weapon off the field for McDermott

 

My only guess is that Beane is hoping that Miller comes back and kills it, and then trusts that Bills fans will enjoy winning more than they want to reckon with Miller's off the field actions. 

 

It's not a great look, but none of this is a great look

[yall]

9 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I agree.  Tell me which team rules, or social media policies, Von has violated?

You said you don't believe they can and I simply pointed out two examples of them being able to. 

 

I wouldn't doubt for one second that there exists some team rule that says if you're arrested on suspicion of beating a pregnant woman that you can be suspended (or can at least be interpreted as such). Believing otherwise is simply naive. 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by yall

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

 

Get a room you two

Mind your own damn business.  Consenting adults ya know…..

[The Red King]

If convicted, would that void his contract?

[EasternOHBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

when they keep caving to an angry mob.

 

dude, 911 was called. Something clearly happened between them. The downside of fame is that the 911 call is public.

 

That wasn't MY quote... that was the angry SCBills.

Edited December 6, 2023 by EasternOHBillsFan

[Sherlock Holmes]

9 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Mind your own damn business.  Consenting adults ya know…..

In that case, I'll take the connecting room please...

Edited December 6, 2023 by Sherlock Holmes

[WotAGuy]

8 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Mind your own damn business.  Consenting adults ya know…..

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, The Red King said:

If convicted, would that void his contract?

 

No. Criminal convictions have never voided a contract. Atlanta, Minnesota, nor New England had cap relief for Vick, Peterson, or Hernandez. 

 

[boyst]

9 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Mind your own damn business.  Consenting adults ya know…..

Her body her choice. 

[Back2Buff]

12 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I think it's Beane being cut between a rock and a hard place:

-He cannot cut Von Miller to remove temptation. It is mathematically impossible

-If he suspends Miller the team is paying Miller a lot NOT to contribute. If the team looks the same or better, it's a terrible deal he signed. If the Bills look worse, he's the one who took a weapon off the field for McDermott

 

My only guess is that Beane is hoping that Miller comes back and kills it, and then trusts that Bills fans will enjoy winning more than they want to reckon with Miller's off the field actions. 

 

It's not a great look, but none of this is a great look

 

It's really not that complicated.  Change nothing with Miller's roster status, and tell him to stay home.  On injury report, he is out for personal reasons.  We don't need the roster spot, so who cares.

[SCBills]

25 minutes ago, Process said:

Von shouldn't be on the field because he sucks, and is giving zero effort on the field. He should benched based on his play. 

 

They were given a good excuse and time to do it but aren't, because no balls.

 

Has nothing to do with an "angry mob" you keep trying to make this about. 

Well this is simply goalpost moving. 
 

I’ll agree that Von shouldn’t be given the snaps he’s receiving based on production.  
 

Using this to justify it is dirty work and would not play well in the locker room or around the league. 
 

 

[WotAGuy]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

Her body her choice. 

Shame. It’s their body, them choice.  
You’re canceled.  

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

6 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

It's really not that complicated.  Change nothing with Miller's roster status, and tell him to stay home.  On injury report, he is out for personal reasons.  We don't need the roster spot, so who cares.

Oh, I agree with you. And if McDermott wasn't staring a lost season in his face they might have stuck to their guns. But we are, and they aren't.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

20 minutes ago, The Red King said:

If convicted, would that void his contract?

Only if suspended by the NFL under the PCP. Which seems like they really, really don’t want to do. 

12 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

No. Criminal convictions have never voided a contract. Atlanta, Minnesota, nor New England had cap relief for Vick, Peterson, or Hernandez. 

 

Not all contracts are written the same. 

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Oh, I agree with you. And if McDermott wasn't staring a lost season in his face they might have stuck to their guns. But we are, and they aren't.

 

I get the sense that Bean and McD aren't exactly aligned on this. 

 

Paraphrasing McD: "I am just the coach preparing for a football game. You already spoke to Brandon. But also this is bad." 

Paraphrasing Bean: "The league will run its course. I have known Von for 1.5 years and this seems out of character. If the league says he can go we say he can go". 

 

It was telling to me that one said that this was serious and the other said that this wasn't the person he knows. 

Now, part of that may be so Miller does not dress on Sunday. If McD is only making football decisions and not addressing the off field stuff, then not dressing has nothing to do with any of this. 

[uticaclub]

Is he eligible for the practice squad? Who cares if another team claims him.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

 

I get the sense that Bean and McD aren't exactly aligned on this. 

 

Paraphrasing McD: "I am just the coach preparing for a football game. You already spoke to Brandon. But also this is bad." 

Paraphrasing Bean: "The league will run its course. I have known Von for 1.5 years and this seems out of character. If the league says he can go we say he can go". 

 

It was telling to me that one said that this was serious and the other said that this wasn't the person he knows. 

Now, part of that may be so Miller does not dress on Sunday. If McD is only making football decisions and not addressing the off field stuff, then not dressing has nothing to do with any of this. 

From that I get more that it's a hot potato that neither wants to touch as each reports directly to the Pegulas

[Mango]

4 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Only if suspended by the NFL under the PCP. Which seems like they really, really don’t want to do. 

Not all contracts are written the same. 

 

There have been a million gangbangers, murderers, wife beaters, etc. But lets not pretend Von was on some special list that required special protections. He wasn't. 

The only voidable contract we know if in NFL history is Deshaun Watson, and it is both the only massive fully guaranteed as well as dumbest contract in league history. And even if these provisions exist for some of the leagues worst humans, not one has yet been able to pull the trigger. 

Sure I guess its possible in that none of us have actually seen the contract, but it is about as close to zero percent as you can be. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

There have been a million gangbangers, murderers, wife beaters, etc. But lets not pretend Von was on some special list that required special protections. He wasn't. 

The only voidable contract we know if in NFL history is Deshaun Watson, and it is both the only massive fully guaranteed as well as dumbest contract in league history. And even if these provisions exist for some of the leagues worst humans, not one has yet been able to pull the trigger. 

Sure I guess its possible in that none of us have actually seen the contract, but it is about as close to zero percent as you can be. 

It’s been reported that if Von Miller is suspended under the NFL’s PCP, it voids out 17-something million in guarantees for next year. 
 

I’ve seen/read/heard nothing about this being false. This is the only avenue for help with his contract, and it might just be 2024. Beane may have added it to his contracted given the previous two allegations that went away. 

[HOUSE]

All I wanted was to watch a few remaining games in peace....

But noooooo

[thenorthremembers]

15 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Is he eligible for the practice squad? Who cares if another team claims him.

You'd have to cut him to put him on the PS.   Wouldn't be something they can do.

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

 

I am in camp "Eff Von Miller" so lets get that one out of the way. I don't want him on the team any longer. More so than a Nike or Apple, stuff I purchase and use, I don't cheer for my phone. I cheer for my favorite sports team and I would like them to have some sense of right and wrong because of it. 

I can tolerate the  "We are letting the league run its course". To which I would hope is sort of kicking the can down the road to sort the cap situation out. And even if it is not, it is enough for me to pretend it is on Sundays. 

What I am really struggling with is the "This is out of character". Because it isn't. 

Yeah then Graham tried to corner him with the prior accusations question and his response was "those are just accusations"

 

Almost get the sense Von told Beane a version of the story that he wasn't physically abusive that he bought.  Beane says multiple times they are comfortable with him being there, let facts come out etc. - as well as implying the story not consistent w/ the person they've known 1.5 yrs.  To me that would be a weird thing to say if you thought he might have done everything in the report

[Charles Romes]

Somewhat worried about the league imposing a sin-tax retribution in the Bills administered by the game officials.  Thinking back to Wade calling out the officials in ‘98 and the ensuing raining down of yellow flags every game after.  All the flags thrown against the chiefs in the superbowl v the Bucs after the Britt Reid fiasco. 

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, Process said:

Von shouldn't be on the field because he sucks, and is giving zero effort on the field. He should benched based on his play. 

 

They were given a good excuse and time to do it but aren't, because no balls.

 

Has nothing to do with an "angry mob" you keep trying to make this about. 

It's funny one reporter asked both Beane and McD separately have you considered not playing Von bc he sucks

[RiotAct]

Just now, Charles Romes said:

Somewhat worried about the league imposing a sin-tax retribution in the Bills administered by the game officials.  Thinking back to Wade calling out the officials in ‘98 and the ensuing raining down of yellow flags every game after.  All the flags thrown against the chiefs in the superbowl v the Bucs after the Britt Reid fiasco. 

if we do get jobbed by the refs (like last game against the Eagles), I don’t think this will be the reason why

[Mango]

 

20 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Yeah then Graham tried to corner him with the prior accusations question and his response was "those are just accusations"

 

Almost get the sense Von told Beane a version of the story that he wasn't physically abusive that he bought.  Beane says multiple times they are comfortable with him being there, let facts come out etc. - as well as implying the story not consistent w/ the person they've known 1.5 yrs.  To me that would be a weird thing to say if you thought he might have done everything in the report

 

This is a good reminder that Adrian Peterson has no guilty verdict for beating his 4 year old with a switch or for getting physical with his wife on an airplane, forcing it to land early and escorted off in handcuffs.

 

He pleaded no contest to both. 

 

When these things happen to the women and children of the NFL and people say "they are just accusations" I think of AP all the time. This is how big the NFL and their franchises are. Adrian Peterson should 100% have served jail time. Instead he received a relative slap on the wrist and kept playing football. 
 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Mango

[stevewin]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

 

 

This is a good reminder that Adrian Peterson has no guilty verdict for beating his 4 year old with a switch or for getting physical with his wife on an airplane, forcing it to land early and escorted off in handcuffs.

 

He pleaded no contest. 

 

When these things happen to the women and children of the NFL and people say "they are just accusations" I think of AP all the time. This is how big the NFL and their franchises are. Adrian Peterson should 100% have served jail time. Instead he received a relative slap on the wrist and kept playing football. 
 

And just appeared on Dancing With the Stars 😛

[H2o]

Great. More running 5 yards past the QB, losing contain on the edge, and being a useless lump on the field. 

 

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Isn't it possible that Von simply needs a 'personal' day? I'm not sure how I would deal with it if this was going on around me.

Cashing the $$$$$$$$

[Mango]

22 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

It’s been reported that if Von Miller is suspended under the NFL’s PCP, it voids out 17-something million in guarantees for next year. 
 

I’ve seen/read/heard nothing about this being false. This is the only avenue for help with his contract, and it might just be 2024. Beane may have added it to his contracted given the previous two allegations that went away. 

 

I saw that from Skurski and Florio. My take is that there might be somethings conflated with a suspension/the exempt list, and that guaranteed money not being counted for those weeks. 

Maybe you are right, and maybe Bean is playing chess to the leagues checkers and he wants them to suspend him so they can get out of this contract. 

But my initial thought is Florio is wrong. 

[Bob Jones]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

I agree.  Tell me which team rules, or social media policies, Von has violated?

So, his girlfriend called 911, and said she needs the cops to come over because VM is out of control...that's a fact. She obviously was in fear of getting hurt, or maybe even in fear for her life. Cops show up shortly thereafter and see visible bruises on her body, and bruises ON HER NECK.....that's factual, as it’s in the police report. The latter is certainly why the arrest warrant was issued. Any woman can call 911 and make up stories to "get back" at their man, but that alone won't cause an arrest, because anybody can make up anything. Plus as mentioned WAY upthread, *supposedly* she turned on her phone to record, and then put it in her pocket. I'm reasonably sure that the initial cops on the scene listened to that recording, and that also probably played into VM being charged.

 

I would hope somewhere in his contract he has a "morals" clause, or something similar, where choking your pregnant girlfriend calls for a suspension. But who knows, maybe there is nothing to address this matter. 😧

[Buffalo Super Fan]

It’s a police matter so Von Miller continues to get paid by the legal terms of his Buffalo Bills contract. But with that said he shouldn’t dress on game day for Buffalo Bills games until his legal case is resolved. I don’t want to see Von Miller in a Bills uniform on Sunday against the Kansas City Chiefs or any Bills game until his legal case is resolved. I have been a Buffalo Bills fan for 49 years and counting this isn’t the right way to handle the situation you put Von Miller on paid leave he can practice with the Bills to stay physically fit for football but he can’t dress for Bills games until his case is resolved than you go from there depending on the legal verdict. I think that is more than fair to Von Miller until his legal case is resolved in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

17 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I saw that from Skurski and Florio. My take is that there might be somethings conflated with a suspension/the exempt list, and that guaranteed money not being counted for those weeks. 

Maybe you are right, and maybe Bean is playing chess to the leagues checkers and he wants them to suspend him so they can get out of this contract. 

But my initial thought is Florio is wrong. 

It’s definitely possible, Beane might figure the NFL will not suspend him if the Bills do. 
 

I really don’t think Von is getting suspended, unless the Bills do and they won’t have much ground to stand on if the league doesn’t care and DA doesn’t pursue it. 

[boyst]

14 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

So, his girlfriend called 911, and said she needs the cops to come over because VM is out of control...that's a fact. She obviously was in fear of getting hurt, or maybe even in fear for her life. Cops show up shortly thereafter and see visible bruises on her body, and bruises ON HER NECK.....that's factual, as it’s in the police report. The latter is certainly why the arrest warrant was issued. Any woman can call 911 and make up stories to "get back" at their man, but that alone won't cause an arrest, because anybody can make up anything. Plus as mentioned WAY upthread, *supposedly* she turned on her phone to record, and then put it in her pocket. I'm reasonably sure that the initial cops on the scene listened to that recording, and that also probably played into VM being charged.

 

I would hope somewhere in his contract he has a "morals" clause, or something similar, where choking your pregnant girlfriend calls for a suspension. But who knows, maybe there is nothing to address this matter. 😧

it's not a fact until proven so. it's an accusation until that point.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

It’s a police matter so Von Miller continues to get paid by the legal terms of his Buffalo Bills contract. But with that said he shouldn’t dress on game day for Buffalo Bills games until his legal case is resolved. I don’t want to see Von Miller in a Bills uniform on Sunday against the Kansas City Chiefs or any Bills game until his legal case is resolved. I have been a Buffalo Bills fan for 49 years and counting this isn’t the right way to handle the situation you put Von Miller on paid leave he can practice with the Bills to stay physically fit for football but he can’t dress for Bills games until his case is resolved than you go from there depending on the legal verdict. I think that is more than fair to Von Miller until his legal case is resolved in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

I agree. If you can’t suspend then make him a healthy scratch. It’s the right thing to do. 

8 minutes ago, boyst said:

it's not a fact until proven so. it's an accusation until that point.

Correct, but “hey anyone, boyst stole my lunch”

 

and

 

“Hey police, I’d like to provide a signed statement and press charges that boyst is stealing my lunch” and they arrive and document evidence that supports that you stole my lunch,

 

is different. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy

[TBBills Fan]

Von gonna be smacking the Chiefs around on Sunday like its his baby momma

[Bobby Hooks]

4 hours ago, boyst said:

it won't phase his HOF election 1 bit, as far as being a GM we have to see how he handles himself in the public eye the next 5-10 years.

If he did get offered the gig and take it, he’d just tell us over and over again via interviews and social media that he would’ve taken less to work with the Cowboys. 

[PetermansRedemption]

At the least, this is the perfect excuse to plaster Von to the inactive list. Guy is a detriment to the team at his current level of play. 

[Bob Jones]

2 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

At the least, this is the perfect excuse to plaster Von to the inactive list. Guy is a detriment to the team at his current level of play. 

Everybody and their Mother can plainly see this, so what are the brain trust at OBD & down in south Florida (Terry Pegula) waiting for?! It's very puzzling.