McD and Daboll hate each other probably 🤣

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, arcane said:

Wao, Spoopy

And I read your posts frequently and am quite comfortable taking the other side

My post speak for themselves. 

I wanted Hall and Woolen. We would be a better team if we took them. 

[Bruffalo]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Daboll was the aggressive one that was always yelling and screaming

 

And McDermott had to tell him to take a step back these aren't 19-year-olds that you can scream at and scare respect into

 

And then he became more even keeled 

Sure, I never said Daboll has a better temperament. The dude looks like a tomato about to burst on the sideline. 
 

[Royale with Cheese]

18 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said:

They don’t have Josh Allen. I’d take Daboll over McD any day. Give me Mack like how it was supposed to be as well. So many of us wanted Gronk. They should probably start listening to the fans. 

McDermott won 9 games with Tyrod Taylor, Kelvin Benjamin, Deonte Johnson and Charles Clay as the top weapons.

 

Brian Daboll isn’t winning 9 games with a Tyrod Taylor level game manager QB.

[Billsatlastin2018]

51 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Daboll holding a grudge for 13 seconds? 

I sure as shite know I AM!

Edited October 17, 2023 by Billsatlastin2018

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

McDermott won 9 games with Tyrod Taylor, Kelvin Benjamin, Deonte Johnson and Charles Clay as the top weapons.

 

Brian Daboll isn’t winning 9 games with a Tyrod Taylor level game manager QB.

He literally just did that last year 

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

He literally just did that last year 

And won a playoff game with that rag tag group, not lose with 3 pts in Jags land.

Edited October 17, 2023 by FireChans

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

And won a playoff game with that rag tag group, not lose with 3 pts in Jags land.

Like I said mid off

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Daboll was the aggressive one that was always yelling and screaming

 

And McDermott had to tell him to take a step back these aren't 19-year-olds that you can scream at and scare respect into

 

And then he became more even keeled 

I wouldn't let his calm demeanor fool you. Mcd is a type a, microdetail oriented perfectionist in character. I think he's a good man but professionally if he thinks someone isn't giving enough, or is cutting against the grain, I have no doubt he will bring the hounds of hell upon you lollllllll

 

He has major dad vibes. When he's on camera I sit up straight in my chair, close my mouth and listen 😅😂

 

Could be me but his type scares me more than the blowhard always yelling types. Nobody wants to let dad down. Nobody gives a **** about the step-dad always yelling

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I wouldn't let his calm demeanor fool you. Mcd is a type a, microdetail oriented perfectionist in character. I think he's a good man but professionally if he thinks someone isn't giving enough, or is cutting against the grain, I have no doubt he will bring the hounds of hell upon you lollllllll

 

He has major dad vibes. When he's on camera I sit up straight in my chair, close my mouth and listen 😅😂

 

Could be me but his type scares me more than the blowhard always yelling types. Nobody wants to let dad down. Nobody gives a **** about the step-dad always yelling

Listen I'm not saying McDermott is a soft ass

 

But there's a time and place to be hard on your players... And verbally berating them on the sidelines really doesn't help any player focus

 

And daboll is a good coach... But he used the college mentality of screaming at your players on the sidelines during games... Old school mentality 

 

McDermott's approach of.. you're probably going to get your ass chewed out in private and it's going to be a hundred times worse

 

Is the better way than in the middle of the game

Edited October 17, 2023 by Buffalo716

[BillsShredder83]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Listen I'm not saying McDermott is a soft ass

 

But there's a time and place to be hard on your players... And verbally berating them on the sidelines really doesn't help any player focus

 

And daboll is a good coach... But he used the college mentality of screaming at your players on the sidelines during games... 

 

McDermott's approach of.. you're probably going to get your ass chewed out in private and it's going to be a hundred times worse

 

Is the better way than in the middle of the game

This you misread my post because that's exactly what I, atleast meant, to imply.

 

Do that s*** in private. I just don't think there's a need to dress a guy down in public, great way to lose a player.... not to mention I think it's more effective to handle it calmly, with the player knowing and thinking about having to go to principals office back behind closed doors. Also gives emotions a chance to cool down, where real listening can happen 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

 

 

 

Wow, that's Brady-esque except that McDermott won the game.  I think I looked in the dictionary and saw that exchange under the word "perfunctory"

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

This you misread my post because that's exactly what I, atleast meant, to imply.

 

Do that s*** in private. I just don't think there's a need to dress a guy down in public, great way to lose a player.... not to mention I think it's more effective to handle it calmly, with the player knowing and thinking about having to go to principals office back behind closed doors. Also gives emotions a chance to cool down, where real listening can happen 

I get what you were saying

 

Daboll was the opposite of that 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

Love the hand tap to McD followed by a huge hug for Allen 

 

It looked as though Daboll was prepared to put a bit more time into it and McDermott brusqued off.

 

I wonder if McDermott had an issue with some of the things that were going down on the field, maybe as a result of how the Giants players were being coached to play against us?

 

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

Well if I remember correctly didn't the Giants assault us in the redzone at some point in this game?

 

Yes. 

Edited October 17, 2023 by Beck Water

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Maybe McD pissed at the cheap shots? Daboll holding a grudge for 13 seconds? 

 

In the Flores lawsuit it’s mentioned that Daboll wanted out of Buffalo, even if it was for just a lateral move. 

 

A lot of fans dismisses it, but I never had any reason to doubt it.

[Zag20]

Two competent people can have differing styles and be incompatible and it’s not either of their fault.  

[Mango]

27 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

It looked as though Daboll was prepared to put a bit more time into it and McDermott brusqued off.

 

I wonder if McDermott had an issue with some of the things that were going down on the field, maybe as a result of how the Giants players were being coached to play against us?

 

 

Yes. 

I think it’s this plus the fact that they don’t like each other (for whatever reasons).

 

Also, it was ice cold. I would expect a similar reaction from Bill Belichick. Imagine the Broncos (of old) came into Gillette and they’re stomping on the LT on the ground, tossing the RT around after the play, and Brady feels the need to come in off the top rope with a steel chair. 
 

Bill would have given him a fist bump, mumbled something meaningless platitude about it at the podium, and refuse to address it for eternity. And that’s for a guy he likes. 

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, Zag20 said:

Two competent people can have differing styles and be incompatible and it’s not either of their fault.  

Ok but we're talking about McDermott and Daboll

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Daboll was the aggressive one that was always yelling and screaming

 

And McDermott had to tell him to take a step back these aren't 19-year-olds that you can scream at and scare respect into

 

And then he became more even keeled 

 

Yeah, I was paying attention because it interested me.  During his 4 years in Buffalo, it was like Daboll went to Charm School.  You could see it in his pressers. 

 

2018 and early 2019, he was curt and veered close to throwing players under the bus (Beasley deflected catch that went for a pick-6: "maybe the throw is a little low, you still have to catch it"). 

 

By the time he left, he was relaxed, he acted as though he were personally concerned about each reporter's health, he was gracious, he seemed fun.

 

I can't say it was McDermott, but someone during Daboll's time in Buffalo re-cast him.  Dick Vermeil used to send his coaching assistants to Dale Carnegie, wouldn't surprise me if McDermott did something similar. 

 

Daboll came to Buffalo with a reputation for screaming and yelling at his players.  In particular, he was reported to be ridiculously brutal to Colt McCoy:

https://sports.yahoo.com/ms-silver_colt_mccoy_browns_brian_daboll_112411.html

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"There were times I had to pull my helmet off to call a play in the huddle," McCoy recalled in an interview earlier this month. "Guys could hear him yelling, and they'd say, 'Just take it off.' People said to me, 'Man, I ain't never seen anything like that. Just hang in there.'"

 

Josh Allen tells a story his rookie year about going off-script and having Daboll just launch into him, screaming at him through the helmet radio, then calming down on the sideline, then thinking about it and coming back to scream at him some more.  He was seen screaming at Josh in 2019 during the NE game, at the same time that there were complaints about delays getting plays called.

 

After that, Daboll went up to the booth and he never game down.

 

I agree with you, not just sports but any venue, screaming and yelling at someone in public does not help performance

 

I think McDermott is probably very intense, and a player knows when he's "on the carpet" but he doesn't need to scream in public to convey that impression.

[Zag20]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Ok but we're talking about McDermott and Daboll

It was probably a relief for both of them to get away from each other

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Zag20 said:

It was probably a relief for both of them to get away from each other

Clearly

 

But it's not like they didn't have a measure of success together

 

Holding grudges is for the birds imo

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Clearly

 

But it's not like they didn't have a measure of success together

 

Holding grudges is for the birds imo

 

I could be an outlier, but I think it may have had less to do with a grudge, and more to do with the way the Giants players played us.  Tripping, throwing our RT down, stomping on players etc.

 

The D is more Wink Martindale's territory but Daboll is the HC and "the buck stops here"

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Clearly

 

But it's not like they didn't have a measure of success together

 

Holding grudges is for the birds imo

Both were probably just pissed at that awful game.

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, Araiza Curse said:

They don’t have Josh Allen. I’d take Daboll over McD any day. Give me Mack like how it was supposed to be as well. So many of us wanted Gronk. They should probably start listening to the fans. 

Mack never lived up to the hype, imo. The dude turned into a ghost as soon as he got his check. He hasn't had a double digits sack season since 2018 and would routinely disappear for 2+ games at a time, make one sack and then disappear again. This year he had a 6 sack miracle game and nothing else. If I wanted to spend $130M in 2018 money, I'd pick a different horse.

[HardyBoy]

Was there any footage of them talking before the game?

[Cheektowaga Chad]

The video you don't see the head on angle and can't gauge McDermott's face or how long he also held his hand out

[Beck Water]

For those of you scoring, compare and contrast Daboll post-game with Josh Allen vs post-game with Tyrod Taylor:

 

 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Was kind of a quick hug & get out of here w/ Allen too. Daboll didn't linger long w/ anyone. McD turned away lightning fast, seems like the issue is more from his end.

Edited October 17, 2023 by Donuts and Doritos

[Royale with Cheese]

7 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

He literally just did that last year 

Damn, yeah that just completely slipped my mind.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

This seems like much more than difference of opinion in terms of coaching philosophy.

 

I recall after 2020 it seemed like McDermott was annoyed that Daboll didn't get a head coaching job. It raised a red flag for me at that time. It seemed like he was ready to move on.

 

Other thoughts that come to mind...

 

Perhaps Daboll was angry with McDermott over 13 seconds. Someone on X said there were rumors that Daboll let McDermott have it afterwards, which would make sense given that Daboll had just overseen a legendary offensive performance and then McDermott ruined it, robbing Daboll of the chance to win a Super Bowl for his hometown team and for Josh on his way out.

 

Someone else suggested that Daboll made a power play for the head coaching job in Buffalo after 13 seconds.

 

Yet another suggested that McDermott is jealous of the love that players clearly have for Daboll, which they absolutely do not have for McDermott.

 

Something else I thought of is that this might have something to do with the fight to secure Dorsey's services. As I recall, both McDermott and Daboll wanted him.

 

There could be a lot of layers to this onion.

 

Yesterday, McDermott said that he respects Daboll "as a coach," and there was something there to suggest that he was subtly saying that is the only manner in which he respects him.

[Gugny]

From my vantage point (not re: this video), they both seem like *****. 

[Captain_Quint]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

That was like early in josh's tenure... Where daboll was constantly yelling and screaming after mistakes

 

And people said McDermott came to him and told him that you can't coach like that

 

It's legitimately 5-6 years ago.. but daboll was fiery early on.. he had a habit of screaming at Josh... Then he stopped

 

Even after Josh made a mistake

Just like he did at Tyrod at the end of the half. Tyrod deserved it, but it's a bad look for a coach to be red faced, screaming and whining. 

 

Didn't McD put him in the booth at one point to avoid that too? 

[GunnerBill]

Yea they were very strongly rumoured to have fallen out by the end of Dabes' time here. He then also tried to nick Dorsey when he got hired which probably didn't help. 

6 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Mack never lived up to the hype, imo. The dude turned into a ghost as soon as he got his check. He hasn't had a double digits sack season since 2018 and would routinely disappear for 2+ games at a time, make one sack and then disappear again. This year he had a 6 sack miracle game and nothing else. If I wanted to spend $130M in 2018 money, I'd pick a different horse.

 

One of the most overrated players of the last decade IMO. 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said:

 

 

Didn't McD put him in the booth at one point to avoid that too? 

 

Yea he was in the booth from 2019. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I agree with you, not just sports but any venue, screaming and yelling at someone in public does not help performance

 

I think McDermott is probably very intense, and a player knows when he's "on the carpet" but he doesn't need to scream in public to convey that impression.

Come to think of it, even just the other day McDermott made the comment that screaming at someone probably isn't conducive to a good work environment.

[thenorthremembers]

Say your McDermott and the team you helped build is the reason Daboll is getting serious head coaching consideration. 

 

Then the Flores report comes out that Daboll doesn't like you, most likely because you did your job and told him what you needed to see from the offense.  Would you have a lot of respect for the guy? 

 

I get the sense that Daboll is a guy whod be cool to have a beer with.  But not necessarily the type of guy with oodles of maturity.    Love Daboll as a play schemer.  But I am going with McDermott in this one.  

[eball]

Man, I love it when idiot fans psychoanalyze three seconds of video…I live for this stuff.

 

[Charles Romes]

Could be as simple as one practice squad raiding that was agreed offline not to occur. That would do it, and would never be forgiven. 

[bobobonators]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

That was like early in josh's tenure... Where daboll was constantly yelling and screaming after mistakes

 

And people said McDermott came to him and told him that you can't coach like that

 

It's legitimately 5-6 years ago.. but daboll was fiery early on.. he had a habit of screaming at Josh... Then he stopped

 

Even after Josh made a mistake

Did you notice how Daboll was screaming at Tyrod to end the first half? And Tyrod has been around a while. 

[bobobonators]

7 hours ago, Zag20 said:

Two competent people can have differing styles and be incompatible and it’s not either of their fault.  

Sounds like my marriage. 

[Matt_In_NH]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I could be an outlier, but I think it may have had less to do with a grudge, and more to do with the way the Giants players played us.  Tripping, throwing our RT down, stomping on players etc.

 

The D is more Wink Martindale's territory but Daboll is the HC and "the buck stops here"

You think McD was short with the handshake because of a scrum in a football game and not probably because of years of working together?