AJE next contract…

[LabattBlue]

If BB called AJE’s agent today, what would it cost for a 4 year deal? 10m per?

More or less?

 

With the start Floyd is off to, they probably cannot afford him next season, and it would leave a hole if both AJE & Floyd both moved on. 

[Alphadawg7]

Honestly, AJE is showing potential that he could be the bookend with Groot.  His biggest issue prior to this was never getting the field time to show if he could take the next step as he has been buried since getting here.  He has always flashed the potential, and now he is making the most of his opportunities.  Between getting the reps, learning from Von, McD as the DC, this kid is starting show why we drafted him.

 

I wouldn't blame Beane if he started extension talks now because he won't be cheap if he keeps playing like this rest of season.  The risk is the sample size of this production is small, but the flip side is not being able to afford him too.  Tough decision for the FO on how they approach AJE.  

 

I said all offseason that AJE was better than people thought and would start on plenty of other teams.  Now he is proving it on the field.  I am hoping we find a way to keep him at a deal that isn't crazy.  Each impact game though that price tag is going up.  

Edited October 16, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[BaaadThingsMan]

He's the best he's been since he came into the league.

 

Bills deserve as much credit developing him as he does for developing.

 

That said, the Bills should get a little discount imo.

 

4×$12 or something like that. 

 

Edited October 16, 2023 by BaaadThingsMan

[Warriorspikes51]

Floyd may want to stay here and would be open to an extension.  As for AJ, he's been good but it's a small sample size.  Maybe you could get him cheaper than what his value will be at end of season 

Von
Floyd
Rousseau
AJ

Kingsley

for next season would be nice 

[SCBills]

AJE is becoming the guy I most want to extend.

 

It probably means moving off Gabe, Tre, Hyde and Poyer.. but I'd love to pair him with Rousseau for the long term and then put a team friendly offer on the table for Floyd to come back if he likes it here.  

 

They finally got the DL right, and that's without Von.  We've seen how much of a struggle it's been to get to this point.  I'm doing everything I can to keep the two guys we drafted that have developed into upper tier EDGE defenders. 

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

His biggest issue prior to this was never getting the field time to show if he could take the next step as he has been buried since getting here.

 

That was likely a result of him being an incomplete player resulting in the coaches being unwilling to fully trust him.

How many times have we seen him on a blind rush blowing contain since we drafted him? He's slowly getting better at it, but let's not pretend that the only reasons he was on the sidelines were due to circumstances beyond his control.

[Alphadawg7]

4 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

That was likely a result of him being an incomplete player resulting in the coaches being unwilling to fully trust him.

How many times have we seen him on a blind rush blowing contain since we drafted him? He's slowly getting better at it, but let's not pretend that the only reasons he was on the sidelines were due to circumstances beyond his control.

 

Thats fair...and to be clear, I am not saying its only reason, but it was probably the biggest reason as guys need to get field time to really start putting it together.  I mean his rookie year he had no camp, it was COVID and it was a weird year and took some time to get him ready to see the field.  But we had quality veterans ahead of him too.  Then the next year they draft Groot and Boogie in first and 2nd round to go with Hughes and guys here.  Then the next year we gave Von Miller a 30 year contract for a gazillion dollars to play opposite Groot.  But he still had 6.5 sacks despite being in a rotation and playing for a DC allergic to generating sacks.

 

Granted, you are not wrong either...he needed time to develop, and I am sure Von being here has helped.  But I just think him being buried here limited his reps and opportunities to really put it together on the field, and he started making the most of them last year and even more so this year. 

 

 

[SCBills]

I could be totally off, but the vibe I get from AJ is that he likes it here, he respects the organization and seems to be someone who would be willing to extend for a fair enough deal.  

[strive_for_five_guy]

17 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

If BB called AJE’s agent today, what would it cost for a 4 year deal? 10m per?

More or less?

 

With the start Floyd is off to, they probably cannot afford him next season, and it would leave a hole if both AJE & Floyd both moved on. 

Floyd is also 31, whereas AJE is 25.  If I had to put my money towards either Floyd or AJE, it’d go towards resigning AJE, so long as that’s not going to prevent resigning Rousseau in a couple years.  I’ll take a core DL of Oliver, AJE and Rousseau, plus other veterans or draftees to fill the gaps.  How much Von plays out the 6-year deal is another huge uncertainty too.

[LabattBlue]

3 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Floyd is also 31, whereas AJE is 25.  If I had to put my money towards either Floyd or AJE, it’d go towards resigning AJE, so long as that’s not going to prevent resigning Rousseau in a couple years.  I’ll take a core DL of Oliver, AJE and Rousseau, plus other veterans or draftees to fill the gaps.  How much Von plays out the 6-year deal is another huge uncertainty too.

Von is toast as a Bill after the 2024 season, and maybe even after 2023 depending on how this season plays out. 

[DCofNC]

29 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

If BB called AJE’s agent today, what would it cost for a 4 year deal? 10m per?

More or less?

 

With the start Floyd is off to, they probably cannot afford him next season, and it would leave a hole if both AJE & Floyd both moved on. 

Today, probably 13/yr.  If he stays on this pace it’s 20 at the end of the season.  He’s been REALLY good this year.   Gotta let it play out, he’s flashed before, let’s see if he can keep it up.  Floyd is on a one yr deal, Von is old and could be off loaded after next year, so it’s not impossible to get him back here if he proves this isn’t a flash in the pan.

[BaaadThingsMan]

33 minutes ago, SCBills said:

AJE is becoming the guy I most want to extend.

 

It probably means moving off Gabe, Tre, Hyde and Poyer.. but I'd love to pair him with Rousseau for the long term and then put a team friendly offer on the table for Floyd to come back if he likes it here.  

 

They finally got the DL right, and that's without Von.  We've seen how much of a struggle it's been to get to this point.  I'm doing everything I can to keep the two guys we drafted that have developed into upper tier EDGE defenders. 

It's time for Poyer and Miller to go after this season

32 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

That was likely a result of him being an incomplete player resulting in the coaches being unwilling to fully trust him.

How many times have we seen him on a blind rush blowing contain since we drafted him? He's slowly getting better at it, but let's not pretend that the only reasons he was on the sidelines were due to circumstances beyond his control.

Right. He's taken some time but he has developed. Both he and the Bills deserve credit there. 

 

Now, can he take the next step? 

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

It's time for Poyer and Miller to go after this season

Let's play the rest of the year first shall we.......it's not even Halloween 

[BaaadThingsMan]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Let's play the rest of the year first shall we.......it's not even Halloween 

Agreed. Just going to need some cap maneuverability next year and honestly some fresh legs.

 

Poyer has been the good soldier here but he's a tad off the play lately. 

[DCofNC]

5 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

It's time for Poyer and Miller to go after this season

Right. He's taken some time but he has developed. Both he and the Bills deserve credit there. 

 

Now, can he take the next step? 

Poyer will be gone, Miller is here next year, costs more cap to get rid of him than keep him.

[Prospector]

6 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

It's time for Poyer and Miller to go after this season

It looks like that may be best as of right now... Poyer doesn't look like himself, and Von isn't the game changer we need ATM. Their losses don't seem like they would impact us too much, and we will eventually need to get younger 

[B-Man]

 

 

Good defensive ends are essential to have, but

 

when in these systems where you rotate 4 - 5 guys in and out,

 

You really shouldn't overpay.

 

 

 

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[BaaadThingsMan]

1 minute ago, DCofNC said:

Poyer will be gone, Miller is here next year, costs more cap to get rid of him than keep him.

Ah. I thought it was a glorified 2 year deal but written as 6 or something? Did he restructure and get another guaranteed year added? 

 

Provided he's healthy it might work out ok. 

[DCofNC]

1 minute ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Ah. I thought it was a glorified 2 year deal but written as 6 or something? Did he restructure and get another guaranteed year added? 

 

Provided he's healthy it might work out ok. 

Really a 3yr deal. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Call me AJ Epene$a, boys....

[DrDawkinstein]

On 10/16/2023 at 12:36 PM, BaaadThingsMan said:

It's time for Poyer and Miller to go after this season

Right. He's taken some time but he has developed. Both he and the Bills deserve credit there. 

 

Now, can he take the next step? 

 

On 10/16/2023 at 12:41 PM, BaaadThingsMan said:

Agreed. Just going to need some cap maneuverability next year and honestly some fresh legs.

 

Poyer has been the good soldier here but he's a tad off the play lately. 

 

Poyer needs to go, and as strange as it is to say, Tre White needs to be cut as well. We save $6.5M by cutting White that needs to go to re-signing Epenesa, Jones, and Floyd.

 

Rousseau we have a 5th year option still and dont need to worry about that for another year at least.

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[BaaadThingsMan]

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Poyer needs to go, and as strange as it is to say, Tre White needs to be cut as well. We save $6.5M by cutting White that needs to go to re-signing Epenesa, Jones, and Lloyd.

 

Rousseau we have a 5th year option still and dont need to worry about that for another year at least.

Money well spent if they can lock up those three

[dollars 2 donuts]

Man, if he stays tenacious and then also just finishes the year with 10 plus sacks…

 

Honestly, he is going to get more money than maybe the Bills can afford.  God bless him, too, because I am not going to say he isn’t worth it even if it is just based upon 1 year. 
 

 

[Warcodered]

48 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I could be totally off, but the vibe I get from AJ is that he likes it here, he respects the organization and seems to be someone who would be willing to extend for a fair enough deal.  

That's like the whole defense.

 

Got to want AJ back the way he's playing, even if Von gets back the way he was you have to want the young guys to stick around as they start to turn it on.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

I could be totally off, but the vibe I get from AJ is that he likes it here, he respects the organization and seems to be someone who would be willing to extend for a fair enough deal.  

AJ and I made eye contact yesterday and I told him I loved him.  He said he loved me back with a smile.  I’m not lying either.

 

He definitely looks like he likes it here.

[MAJBobby]

Right now his value is likely around 8M a year.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Let him walk. This team can't afford to pay backups. There is no cap room for that. They are going to have to extend Rousseau soon. And they have Miller under contract for a couple more years. 

Let Davis, White, Poyer, Lawson, and Epenesa go this offseason.

Hopefully extend Jones.

If Dawkins keeps playing this well I'd extend him now and free up some cap space to make a move for a WR before the deadline. He's played good football. Far better than last year. 

Draft WR,OT, Safety, DL in first four rounds. 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Let him walk. This team can't afford to pay backups. There is no cap room for that. They are going to have to extend Rousseau soon. And they have Miller under contract for a couple more years. 

Let Davis, White, Poyer, Lawson, and Epenesa go this offseason.

Hopefully extend Jones.

If Dawkins keeps playing this well I'd extend him now and free up some cap space to make a move for a WR before the deadline. He's played good football. Far better than last year. 

Draft WR,OT, Safety, DL in first four rounds. 

 

 

Between rookie contract and 5th year option, we have Rousseau locked up until we can get out of Miller's contract in 2024. No problem there, the money will come.

 

Epenesa MUST be re-signed. He and Rousseau are the future of our DEs.

 

With the way AJ is playing, it is foolish to call him a backup. He's in a rotation right now, but could just as easily "start" as Floyd (who I love).

 

I'd like to see AJ re-signed, and Floyd and Jones extended. Rousseau will get 5th year optioned. Then we dont have to worry about anything for 2 more years.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Between rookie contract and 5th year option, we have Rousseau locked up until we can get out of Miller's contract in 2024. No problem there, the money will come.

 

Epenesa MUST be re-signed. He and Rousseau are the future of our DEs.

 

With the way AJ is playing, it is foolish to call him a backup. He's in a rotation right now, but could just as easily "start" as Floyd (who I love).

 

I'd like to see AJ re-signed, and Floyd and Jones extended. Rousseau will get 5th year optioned. Then we dont have to worry about anything for 2 more years.

He's a backup now? What else do you want me to call him? He wouldn't start over Rousseau, Floyd, or a healthy Miller. That is DE#4.  

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Let him walk. This team can't afford to pay backups. There is no cap room for that. They are going to have to extend Rousseau soon. And they have Miller under contract for a couple more years. 

Let Davis, White, Poyer, Lawson, and Epenesa go this offseason.

Hopefully extend Jones.

If Dawkins keeps playing this well I'd extend him now and free up some cap space to make a move for a WR before the deadline. He's played good football. Far better than last year. 

Draft WR,OT, Safety, DL in first four rounds. 

 

 

Von is basically year to year after next. 

 

Where we draft, we can "hope" to get guys that develop like AJE and Rousseau.  I'd seriously consider extending him in season.  

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

Von is basically year to year after next. 

 

Where we draft, we can "hope" to get guys that develop like AJE and Rousseau.  I'd seriously consider extending him in season.  

 

 

 

Right.

 

Could be Epenesa and Rousseau.

 

Could be Erik Flowers and Chris Kelsey.

 

Re-sign AJE.

[NoSaint]

30 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Man, if he stays tenacious and then also just finishes the year with 10 plus sacks…

 

Honestly, he is going to get more money than maybe the Bills can afford.  God bless him, too, because I am not going to say he isn’t worth it even if it is just based upon 1 year. 
 

 

Trying to think of a comp that has hit free agency. 
 

without lining them up side by side maybe Trey Hendrickson? Day two pick that exploded in the contract year? 
 

All that money we talk about with whether to pay gabe is starting to quickly shift here I think.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Trying to think of a comp that has hit free agency. 
 

without lining them up side by side maybe Trey Hendrickson? Day two pick that exploded in the contract year? 
 

All that money we talk about with whether to pay gabe is starting to quickly shift here I think.

 

Absolutely. AJE is stepping up and taking Gabe's money this year.

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

In yesterdays BN this was discussed and comment was likely won't be able to afford him as teams tend to over pay for pass rushers so likely the idea of a hometown discount goes out th window. Maybe if the Bills sign him now could get him cheaper, but if they wait till year end, be surprising unless they make him their top priority to resign.  Though think they'd also want  to sign D Jones more longer term too.

[dollars 2 donuts]

6 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Trying to think of a comp that has hit free agency. 
 

without lining them up side by side maybe Trey Hendrickson? Day two pick that exploded in the contract year? 
 

All that money we talk about with whether to pay gabe is starting to quickly shift here I think.

 

Saint, man, he has been football porn lately.

 

stopping the run,

getting to the qb,

blocking passes,

interception,

touchdown

mayhem to the offense

fumble recovery 

 

he's just been stupid good.

[Maine-iac]

He's been injured so Miller hasn't been killing it on the field but I'm sure he has a ton to do with our young DE's showing new found abilities to get to the QB.  As his contract plays out I'm hoping our money is reinvested in AJE and our other young DE's.

[Nephilim17]

I like AJ's play so far but he is, as Ethan in Cleveland has said, still a backup.

 

We are tight against the cap and, depending on how we draft, may have to sign in free agency...

• #2 WR
• Maybe one starting safety as Hyde will be a FA (remember, Rapp is on a one-year deal)
• resign Daquan Jones or a replacement
• Maybe an RT
• Maybe a starting cornerback

That won't be cheap. In a perfect cap world we keep AJ but backup defensive end is not a top priority compared with those starting positions.

[buffblue]

On 10/16/2023 at 12:41 PM, BaaadThingsMan said:

Agreed. Just going to need some cap maneuverability next year and honestly some fresh legs.

 

Poyer has been the good soldier here but he's a tad off the play lately. 

Yeah I'm not out at all on Miller but Poyer clearly looks cooked. He slipped badly in the second half of last season. Hyde on the other hand is still playing at a solid level

[BillsFanForever19]

On 10/16/2023 at 12:02 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

Floyd may want to stay here and would be open to an extension.  As for AJ, he's been good but it's a small sample size.  Maybe you could get him cheaper than what his value will be at end of season 

Von
Floyd
Rousseau
AJ

Kingsley

for next season would be nice 

 

With how Floyd and AJ are performing, the cost of the position they play, their age, and lack of wear and tear - there is ZERO chance this will happen.

 

Especially when you consider the amount of money we (don't) have and the amount of other FA's we have at other positions.

 

Including Daquan Jones (and ALL of our DT's except Ed Oliver), Gabe Davis, and Micah Hyde - all starters that will need to be re-signed or a capable replacement needing to be signed.

Edited October 18, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[LabattBlue]

For the people calling AJE a backup, look at the snap counts for AJE, Rousseau & Floyd.  Pretty damn close for the season.