Royale with Cheese Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Seat guru says there are only 44 seats in "upper class" on their 350's Do you think they draw straws to see who gets the upper class? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Yeah, but this is likely a charter plane. They can have it configured as 100% bed chair seating, and extra-long extra large ones at that. Not true and not done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Do you think they draw straws to see who gets the upper class? All starters then the rest by seniority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Not sure what you mean by "not very big plane". Airbus A350-1041 can hold 350-400 passengers and has ~700,000 lb takeoff weight. But, since the Bills intend to have a practice tomorrow, I would expect that they sent much of their equipment ahead on a cargo flight, so it could get unloaded, clear any customs, get it trucked to the practice facility or field, and get it unpacked and set up. Yeah, but this is likely a charter plane. They can have it configured as 100% bed chair seating, and extra-long extra large ones at that. I'm sure the Bills aren't the only sports team or other group flying across the ocean and wanting to arrive there reasonably rested. I suppose, but that particular plane has flown at least 1 long haul leg nearly every day the past 2 weeks----lots of back and forth JFK/Atlanta/west coast to Heathrow, even Lagos Nigeria. I can't believe they are all ferrying pro sports teams or groups late enough to need 100+ 1st class seats. Reconfiguring the plane for 100% lay flat 1sts would take easily a day or more and could only be done at an airport where Virgin had such equipment stored. The turnarounds one these flights suggests that's impossible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, sherpa said: Not true and not done. https://www.acj.airbus.com/en/creative-design One of the Airbus ACJ options is an Airbus 350-1000 series Edit: other people's comments that this is a fleet workhorse leads me to believe you're talking about how it wouldn't be reconfigured between flights, which was actually not what I was intending to suggest. It can get purchased (or retrofitted, a lengthy process) in just about whatever configuration the customer desires within broad limits, that was my point. Edited October 5, 2023 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Do you think they draw straws to see who gets the upper class? rookies in Econ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I suppose, but that particular plane has flown at least 1 long haul leg nearly every day the past 2 weeks----lots of back and forth JFK/Atlanta/west coast to Heathrow, even Lagos Nigeria. I can't believe they are all ferrying pro sports teams or groups late enough to need 100+ 1st class seats. Reconfiguring the plane for 100% lay flat 1sts would take easily a day or more and could only be done at an airport where Virgin had such equipment stored. The turnarounds one these flights suggests that's impossible. If that's the case, then you're right, it's not been customized like that. No they wouldn't reconfigure the plane between flights. That isn't done. The plane would have to go out the Airbus door configured that way, or else be re-fitted in a process that takes much more time and a lot of FAA paperwork (or whatever the EU equivalent is) Edited October 5, 2023 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Yeah, but this is likely a charter plane. Nah - it is one of their work horses 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: All starters then the rest by seniority. I think it goes by girth and not by length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, Beck Water said: https://www.acj.airbus.com/en/creative-design One of the Airbus ACJ options is an Airbus 350-1000 series This isn't an ACJ. It's a Virgin fleet plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Dan Darragh said: A350-1000 is huge, holds more than 400 passengers I guess the runway at KBUF was long enough. I had heard Niagara Falls airport could handle big planes like 747's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 It simply isn't done on these charters. It is not only not possible, as the floor is not configured to do such a thing, but it would take the airplane out of service for a day or two on both sides of the trip, if it was possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: I guess the runway at KBUF was long enough. I had heard Niagara Falls airport could handle big planes like 747's Atlas Air / Dolphins team plane is a 747, and they flew in and out last weekend. However, I saw elsewhere that main runway 5/23 was being worked on, and flights were using 14/32. I don't know if the work has been completed. 10L/28R at the Falls is easily 3 kilometres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, sherpa said: It simply isn't done on these charters. It is not only not possible, as the floor is not configured to do such a thing, but it would take the airplane out of service for a day or two on both sides of the trip, if it was possible. I edited post above, but my point was that that particular make and model of aircraft could (theoretically) be sold kitted out as "all first class" essentially. But yes, of course, if it's a fleet workhorse plane that left Airbus with the seats installed in one of the standard certificated configurations, they wouldn't and couldn't reconfigure it on any sort of short-turn timeline, in fact I don't think OOS for a day would do it - probably a month to complete all the necessary paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 I hopped a private jet to Paris and have plans to be "Fan Man'ed" in at the end of the first quarter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Beck Water said: I edited post above, but my point was that that particular make and model of aircraft could (theoretically) be sold kitted out as "all first class" essentially. But yes, of course, if it's a fleet workhorse plane that left Airbus with the seats installed in one of the standard certificated configurations, they wouldn't and couldn't reconfigure it on any sort of short-turn timeline, in fact I don't think OOS for a day would do it - probably a month to complete all the necessary paperwork. No. I get it. But there is no way the NFL would pay the cost associated with reconfiguring. On your "paperwork" point, that wouldn't be how it would be done. The airplane would be certified for multiple configurations, and as long as the certification standards were upheld with the change, there would be no additional certification process. Anyway, on another note that has come up, BUF and IAG have runways that are suitable for up to 747's with fuel loads that could handle this charter. IAG's is a bit longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Interesting theyre going 7pm to 12:30am on this flight. Thought they would leave a bit later and land later into the day so they could go right into it. If this is the team plane, I'm not a fan of these times. They are gonna get right into it upon landing. First a practice and then media obligations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Logic said: I've never had the pleasure of climbing aboard a Virgin before. Ya didn’t miss much. It’s overrated.🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 22 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I guess the runway at KBUF was long enough. I had heard Niagara Falls airport could handle big planes like 747's They flew a 747 out of BUF the last time they flew to London… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Gugny said: What if your balls caught on fire and a naked Roseanne Barr rushed in to save you, then proceeded to fart in your face whilst pouring gasoline on your nuts to put the fire out? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Dan Darragh said: A350-1000 is huge, holds more than 400 passengers They're going to have at least 200 to 250 personnel going with this team. You're going to have 20 people in marketing, a whole bunch of executives, and other team personnel. The shoulder pads, athletic equipment, traditional boxes that the team brings to any away game regardless pick up quite a bit of space. It was also a private check that left yesterday then made the route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Charter got airborne at 7:33. Look to arrive at 6:52 local. I bet they beat that by ten minutes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, sherpa said: There are reasons for the times. The charter will be part of the North Atlantic Track System, which has various routes which begin at a few points in the Maritime Provinces in Canada, and arrive at various points in Western Europe. Every night these points and enroute points, called tracks, vary, based on the winds and weather that evening. If you travel outside the times of the NATS, you have to use really bad altitudes, as NATS goes from 29000-41000', and that is not part of the NFL contract. The NATS operates in the evening going east from North America to Europe, and from local morning from Europe to North America, thus the times. It allows a far greater density of traffic in airspace that has no radar coverage. Everyone is assigned a specific track, altitude and mach number. That is how flights are separated with no radar or radio coverage. When you get about 120 miles from the UK, they get you on radar, communication is reestablished and you fly the various normal routes to your destination. I was just gonna say this. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, sherpa said: Charter got airborne at 7:33. Look to arrive at 6:52 local. I bet they beat that by ten minutes. FlightAware was really late posting it, but it's up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gugny said: What if your balls caught on fire and a naked Roseanne Barr rushed in to save you, then proceeded to fart in your face whilst pouring gasoline on your nuts to put the fire out? Dear God this is terrible. I believe a naked, running Roseanne Barr sighting has to be worse than the gasoline balls. Not 💯 sure but all that Flopping and jiggling, never in a good way is too much. I mean with my sinus allergies I could handle the farting…but a naked Roseanne ughh Edited October 6, 2023 by Behindenemylines 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pennstate10 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: This plane is HUGE. So I expect them to have the lounge bed chairs where they all just sleep. Probably have an edible or two. Nyquil. Dream. In all seriousness, an edible of 2 isnt a bad idea. I had a friend who was special forces. When they would fly Lejeune to mideast, they'd all take a couple Ambien. Felt a little bit hungover upon arrival, but were wide awake shortly after landing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: It would be the most Billsy thing ever for them to be the first team ever to die in a plane crash. What would the league do? 😱😱😱 Hope your next flight doesn't crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I don't quite follow. I don't see what harm is caused. Which is exactly why you earned the ‘moron’ tag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/VIR631 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 @Giuseppe Tognarelli just ban yourself, man. At least do a week's penance to think about what LAMPy bit of maloika nonsense that was. Damn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: It would be the most Billsy thing ever for them to be the first team ever to die in a plane crash. What would the league do? 😱😱😱 Giuseppe Tognarelli Community Member 3.6k Posted Sunday at 03:09 PM The Bills are in trouble. are you sure you are a Bills fan? With fans like you, who needs enemies? Edited October 6, 2023 by Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, boyst said: They're going to have at least 200 to 250 personnel going with this team. You're going to have 20 people in marketing, a whole bunch of executives, and other team personnel. The shoulder pads, athletic equipment, traditional boxes that the team brings to any away game regardless pick up quite a bit of space. It was also a private check that left yesterday then made the route I work on Boeing 767s and they have a lot of room in the forward and aft bellies and this plane is bigger. Wouldnt be surprised at all if the Bills only used one plane. It's real expensive to fly planes around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldrush3 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Atlas Air / Dolphins team plane is a 747, and they flew in and out last weekend. However, I saw elsewhere that main runway 5/23 was being worked on, and flights were using 14/32. I don't know if the work has been completed. 10L/28R at the Falls is easily 3 kilometres. They used 23 today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayg Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 5 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: It would be the most Billsy thing ever for them to be the first team ever to die in a plane crash. What would the league do? 😱😱😱 GFY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Well with this being McD's first time in London it makes sense i guess . 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 5 hours ago, Gregg said: The Bills are flying out today on Thursday. I would have guessed Monday or Tuesday just to get used to the time change. Yeah apparently the doctor of sports science says, stay on East coast time as best you can, play the game at 9:30am, win, get out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 57 minutes ago, boyst said: https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/VIR631 How is the total flight time 6 hours 19 mins? Is this plane moving faster than usual? I know a flight to London out of NYC averages 7 hours and NYC is closer to London than Buffalo… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Atlas Air / Dolphins team plane is a 747, and they flew in and out last weekend. However, I saw elsewhere that main runway 5/23 was being worked on, and flights were using 14/32. I don't know if the work has been completed. 10L/28R at the Falls is easily 3 kilometres. Yeah 5/23 is finished for now. they are still doing some painting detail overnight but it’s in full use. The A350 is an Impressive aircraft that they can get it loaded up, and fully fueled to Europe on an 8,829’ runway. The Atlas 747 probably doesn’t carry near the full fuel to Ft. Lauderdale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 14 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: How is the total flight time 6 hours 19 mins? Is this plane moving faster than usual? I know a flight to London out of NYC averages 7 hours and NYC is closer to London than Buffalo… Don't take this the wrong way. It is merely meant to answer your question. It is usually about six and a half hours of flight time from New York to London. The geographic distance is 3451 miles. The answer to your question ls twofold. First, you can't add the distance from Buffalo to New York city on top that 3451. Buffalo to London is 3563 miles, only 110 miles more. The reason is that the earth is round. That's why you see the graphic depictions of those routes with big arcs in them instead of straight lines. Recognizing that, you realize that the mileage isn't that different, so the flight times reflect that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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