To all the Fire McDermott Posters, a follow up question..

[HardyBoy]

3 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I agree that winning a SB is very difficult and that some luck is always involved. But that’s exactly why having a HC who is up to the task in the big moments is so important. He can’t choke them away. It’s too difficult and too much has to go your way to even have a chance. Coaches don’t get too many chances with that before they lose the confidence of their players. 

 

You have to be kidding me with the Marty S and Phillip Rivers comment. Rivers’ and Bernie Kosar’s careers were both wasted under Marty S. In San Diego his replacement, Norv Turner, was cut for the same mold and finished wasting Rivers’ useful years. I certainly believe we can do better than Turner. There’s no guarantee of hitting on any HC hire, but that doesn’t mean you keep one that you have to hope figures out how to win a big game. 

 

I think you're giving too much credit and blame to coaches though. Also, 13 seconds was Levi Wallace's fault, he should have been inside leverage on Kelce, I'm convinced they were baiting then into running that adjustment and Wallace brain farted at the worst possible moment.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Gunner, I respect your opinion and knowledge. You always respond professionally and with solid evidence backing up your claims. 

 

I am often reactionary to a fault. I can't get 13 seconds out of my head nor the playoff performances of the recent years. Perhaps, I'm too short sighted to see a positive long term prognosis. 

 

Takes me back a few years ago when Allen wasn't playing well early in the season. I was incorrectly pounding the table saying Allen was regressing.

 

Boy, was I wrong and happily wrong at that. I would like nothing more than McD to bring a SB to Buffalo. I'd love to be wrong again!

 

Go Bills!!!

 

So, by your own admission, you're a wet diaper?

 

Thanks for the self-awareness

 

5 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

We *DO* have a history, of the 'next guy being worse'.

A new coach brings a new system, and a likely multiple year rebuild.

After 13-3, no thanks.

 

 

*gregggggggggg williams has entered the chat*

 

[Kirby Jackson]

15 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Who is your replacement?  Who will absolutely, positively, 100%, be that "better" choice you are clamoring for?

 

I keep on hearing "McDermott is the problem."

 

Who is the solution? Someone actually available to be hired. 

I thought that they should have replaced him with Sean Payton this offseason. McDermott is okay. The Doug Collins comparisons are right IMO.
 

The Bills would be good with ANYBODY coaching them. He is not elevating them. He isn’t necessarily hindering them either. He’s a caretaker. In order to get to the next level, I would have hired Payton.

 

You could do worse than McDermott. You can do better also.

[HardyBoy]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I thought that they should have replaced him with Sean Payton this offseason. McDermott is okay. The Doug Collins comparisons are right IMO.
 

The Bills would be good with ANYBODY coaching them. He is not elevating them. He isn’t necessarily hindering them either. He’s a caretaker. In order to get to the next level, I would have hired Payton.

 

You could do worse than McDermott. You can do better also.

 

Isn't Sean Payton overrated though? Like I remember reading something where he's had way more bad seasons than you'd expect from an elite coach, even if accounting that they were in cap hell for a bit. 

[folz]

7 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

There are lots of coaches in many leagues who were fired after good seasons and great track records.

 

- Milwaukee Bucks just fired their coach who won them a Championship after getting them the #1 seed in this year playoffs but losing 1st rd.

- Bayern Munich fired their coach mid season while in 1st place while in a 11 years straight of league Championships

- Marty Schottenheimer (who many compare McD with) was fired after a 14-4 record but poor playoff performance

- HOF coach Tony Dungy was fired from Bucks after making playoffs

- Bruce Boudreau was fired right after winning the Presidents Trophy in NHL

 

I appreciate you responding with actual examples. 👍 

 

But, hard to compare other sports leagues. So, I'll stick to the NFL.

 

So, ok, you gave me two NFL examples. Two coaches still doesn't make it standard to fire a winning coach, but let me counter further.

 

Marty Shottenheimer was in his 21st year as a HC at 64 years old with no SB appearances (as opposed to MCD's 6 years at 49 years old). In 5 years in SD (where he was fired from), Marty made the playoffs 2 years and missed the playoffs 3 years (McD's made 5 of 6). Shottenheimer's career playoff record at that point was 5 and 13 (McD is 4-5). Marty also had a 4-12 and an 8-8 season during that stint. And his last two years in SD: missed the playoffs, lost in Wild Card round to the Jets. Marty was 0-2 in the playoffs in 5 years with SD. Sean has 4 playoff wins.

 

Dungy is probably a better comp. Fired after his sixth season in TB. He made playoffs 4 of 6 years. But his playoff record was only 2-4. Win percentage including playoffs in their first 6 years is Dungy (.549) and McD (.622). And though he had some good records and playoff appearances, Dungy's last three seasons in Tampa were 11-5, 10-6, 9-7 with a 21-3 Wild Card loss to Philly (2000) followed by a 31-9 Wild Card loss to Philly (2001)---no playoff wins in last two seasons. I could see how an owner might see that as being on the decline. McD's last three years were 13-3, 11-6, 13-3 with two playoff wins and then a 42-36 Divisional round loss to KC and a 27-10 loss in the Divisional round to Cincy. Still kind of a different picture between the two. 

 

So, even granting these two examples, as I said, it is still few and far between (NFL coaches who are winning getting fired); but even looking at these two examples, both have a much better case for being fired than McDermott does at this point.

[ngbills]

Not many coaches would not make the playoffs with Allen and this roster. Winning in the playoffs has been the issue. Look what Tomlin has done in Pitt with way less talent. Or SF with no QB. 
 

I am not for firing him yet…but at some point maybe. 

Edited June 18, 2023 by ngbills

[GreggTX]

Great question OP. Philly fired Reid because he couldn't win a SB. Last February Eagles fans watched as their former 'can't win the big one' coach outcoached them to win the big one. McDermott isn't the problem. No one is perfect yet everyone working in the Bills organisation has a role to play and must perform at a high level if we are to win a Lombardi Trophy. There are 31 other teams after the same prize. I think that if Josh can drop his fumbles and picks by 75%, that would do more than firing a great HC. Maybe guys like Gabe, Kaiir, Brown, Oliver and McGovern will have breakout years. That might do the trick. Maybe the injury bug will go easier on us than it did last year. Maybe our scouts helped Beane put together a great draft and this year's rookie class will be great. I just don't see McDermott as the problem.

 

[ngbills]

Here is the problem with waiting to fire a coach. you wait until they have a bad year and then fire them, bring in a new guy, who often blows the team up. So you never see what a different coach could have done with the same roster. That would be the argument for bringing someone in while you are winning. You just want to get over the bump not hit restart. 

[folz]

39 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Isn't Sean Payton overrated though? Like I remember reading something where he's had way more bad seasons than you'd expect from an elite coach, even if accounting that they were in cap hell for a bit. 

 

He had 14 seasons in New Orleans with one of the greatest QBs ever (Drew Brees). He did win a Super Bowl of course, but he also missed the playoffs 5 times (with Brees as his QB) and his playoff record was 9-8 with Drew.

 

And you want a comparison to McDermott? How about New Orleans losing in the divisional round of the 2017-18 playoffs on the last play of the game (the Minnesota Miracle) and then losing again the following year to the Rams in OT. New Orleans led on the scoreboard the entire game, until the Rams tied it up with a field goal with 15 seconds left in the game. The Rams went on to win the game in OT. [And both of those seasons, NO was probably most people's favorite to at least represent the NFC in the SB, if not win it.] Not sure why those things get forgiven for other coaches (Payton, Reid, etc.) but not McD.

 

Doesn't mean Sean Payton is overrated or not a great coach, but it does point out that even a very good coach with an elite QB doesn't just waltz into the Super Bowl every year. Only one Super Bowl appearance in 14 years with an all-time, HOF QB.

Edited June 18, 2023 by folz

[boater]

A fire McDermott type is probably the type who yells at Umpires at a little league game.

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Gruden…it worked for Tampa…..

[GoBills808]

33 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Great question OP. Philly fired Reid because he couldn't win a SB. Last February Eagles fans watched as their former 'can't win the big one' coach outcoached them to win the big one. McDermott isn't the problem. No one is perfect yet everyone working in the Bills organisation has a role to play and must perform at a high level if we are to win a Lombardi Trophy. There are 31 other teams after the same prize. I think that if Josh can drop his fumbles and picks by 75%, that would do more than firing a great HC. Maybe guys like Gabe, Kaiir, Brown, Oliver and McGovern will have breakout years. That might do the trick. Maybe the injury bug will go easier on us than it did last year. Maybe our scouts helped Beane put together a great draft and this year's rookie class will be great. I just don't see McDermott as the problem.

 

Eagles fans have watched their team win a Super Bowl and then go right back with another HC, all within the last five years...I'd bet they're doing just fine 

[uticaclub]

2 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Football is a 'game of inches'. Things did NOT bounce our way, last season. So it goes, in the NFL..

It sure is, all I am saying is give Rex, Josh Allen we would be in the same spot

[stinky finger]

15 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Of course it is
You now have a coach that has not missed the playoffs in what three years 13 and three season

You change coaches there’s every possibility that you’re looking at a top 10 pack

Things have happened to playing themselves out
 

If we regress, then you know they’re going to seriously look at it

 

If they’re going 13 and three, he’s not gonna get fired

 

Are  you saying if they go 13-4 and don't win a playoff game he keeps his job? 

[Einstein]

He may have already been posted (I haven't read all 5 pages of the thread yet), but I am very high on Lou Anarumo.

 

He is great motivator (like McD), a tough bastard (like Belichick), and has shown (numerous times) that he can stymie the Chiefs offense in the playoffs. Including absolutely blanking Mahomes in the second half of last years AFCCG, in one of the best defensive efforts i've ever seen.

Hiring Anarumo:

 

1) Helps the Bills.

2) Hurts the Bengals.

3) Hurts the Chiefs.

 

It's a win/win/win.

 

It's not as sexy of a pick as hiring an offensive mind, but we let our offensive mind go to the Giants, so... Anarumom would be my pick.

 

PS, as much as I am down about McD's chances to win a championship, I would shake his hand and thank him for all he has done for the franchise. He is a large part of the reason that we are no longer a joke around the NFL. He established a culture in Buffalo and brought credibility back to this franchise. He deserves serious praise for what he has accomplished. When we win a ring with another coach, I believe McD should get a ring as well, because without him setting the groundwork and building the foundation, the eventual ring would never have happened.

[Nuncha]

15 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

Guy is a drama king. The culture has turned toxic. Superbowl this year or move on. We can find better. 

Its "toxic" because of Diggs who had very similar issues in Minnesota before coming here.  Hummm.  Yea sure fire the coach.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

So, by your own admission, you're a wet diaper?

 

Thanks for the self-awareness

 

*gregggggggggg williams has entered the chat*

 

Humility goes a long way. 

[Nextmanup]

16 hours ago, Chaos said:

I didn't know who Sean McVay was (other than John McVay's grandson), Nick Sirianis or Zac Taylor were before they became head coaches.  All have had more playoff success than McDermott.   I doubt you knew who any of those guys were.   I doubt you were banging the drum to hire Sean McDermott.  So can we all agree to not pretend we know the universe of potential head coaches, and are also certain none could be better than McDermott?

outstanding post

The OP sounds like the kind of guy who stays in a bad marriage for YEARS because he doesn't have proof he'll find another woman or that she'll be any better.

Can't live that way, man.

 

 

[ChicagoRic]

32 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

outstanding post

The OP sounds like the kind of guy who stays in a bad marriage for YEARS because he doesn't have proof he'll find another woman or that she'll be any better.

Can't live that way, man.

 

 

Excuse me, what?  The purpose of my post was pretty simple.  I wanted a little more than the knee jerk "Fire McDermott" posts that have been making the rounds, so I asked "Ok, then what?"  In the future, please don't attack my character or make assumptions about my personal life, just stick to the topic.  Not cool.   

[SCBills]

5 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Disagree. So many people think we should get rid of the 14-4 coach from last season, they should have to provide a solution.  The constant complaining should be balanced with something productive. 

It’s disingenuous to ask this in the middle of June.   The list of candidates is not what is there after the season.  
 

You could ask what people wish we did (past tense) or discuss this in the future tense, but as of right now.. everyone (college and pro) is locked in. 
 

The question makes no sense to demand an answer to at this point of the season. 

[Augie]

38 minutes ago, SCBills said:

It’s disingenuous to ask this in the middle of June.   The list of candidates is not what is there after the season.  
 

You could ask what people wish we did (past tense) or discuss this in the future tense, but as of right now.. everyone (college and pro) is locked in. 
 

The question makes no sense to demand an answer to at this point of the season. 

 

Not at all. It makes just as much sense as wanting to fire a coach coming of a 14-4 season, IMO. I just wanted some balance for all the whining. I think it’s fair to ask for a solution. Maybe a list of college HC’s or pro OC’s. If it’s not fair to ask for names, it’s not fair to assume that any replacement coach can do better than McD. I think the odds are against you there. 

 

I don’t like hypothetical “what we wish we did” talk. That’s the kind of garbage that takes no courage or real knowledge. We can all go back to previous drafts and say we should have done this, or that. Totally pointless. 

 

Face it, some people (and we all know who they are, look at the most frequent posters on this thread and similar threads) are getting off on this. You can say it’s killing time in the offseason, but some are taking it to crusade levels. IF you want to say there’s a problem, I don’t think it’s unfair to as for solutions, if only to slow the roll. 

 

 

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Edited June 18, 2023 by Augie

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Not at all. It makes just as much sense as wanting to fire a coach coming of a 14-4 season, IMO. I just wanted some balance for all the whining. I think it’s fair to ask for a solution. Maybe a list of college HC’s or pro OC’s. If it’s not fair to ask for names, it’s not fair to assume that any replacement coach can do better than McD. I think the odds are against you there. 

 

I don’t like hypothetical “what we wish we did” talk. That’s the kind of garbage that takes no courage or real knowledge. We can all go back to previous drafts and say we should have done this, or that. Totally pointless. 

 

Face it, some people (and we all know who they are, look at the most frequent posters on this thread and similar threads) are getting off on this. You can say it’s killing time in the offseason, but some are taking it to crusade levels. IF you want to say there’s a problem, I don’t think it’s unfair to as for solutions, if only to slow the roll. 

 

 

.

 

18 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Ben Johnson

 

Fyi 'the next guy might be worse' is not a ringing endorsement 

 

[PBF81]

16 minutes ago, Augie said:

Not at all. It makes just as much sense as wanting to fire a coach coming of a 14-4 season, IMO. I just wanted some balance for all the whining. I think it’s fair to ask for a solution. Maybe a list of college HC’s or pro OC’s. If it’s not fair to ask for names, it’s not fair to assume that any replacement coach can do better than McD. I think the odds are against you there. 

 

No one thinks or wants McD to be fired right now.  This is a discussion, or should be.  Some people get way too upset over it.  

 

 

16 minutes ago, Augie said:

Face it, some people (and we all know who they are, look at the most frequent posters on this thread and similar threads) are getting off on this. You can say it’s killing time in the offseason, but some are taking it to crusade levels. IF you want to say there’s a problem, I don’t think it’s unfair to as for solutions, if only to slow the roll. 

 

It's only at "crusade levels" because McD apologists argue back, and apparently get their panties all in a bunch.  One could argue that the "crusade" is that McD is the perfect head coach argument.  Which is ridiculous. 

 

Maybe not getting all twisted up over it would help your own cause if you want it to calm down, while simultaneously not ignoring all of the rumor floating around about McD.  Those rumors not spawned by people here, are out there for a reason.  Just like for all we know he may take us to the Super Bowl and win it this season, you have no idea if the Diggs thing is going to explode further, the rookies are going to be what's been billed, how McD's D is going to be, whether we find out more about Frasier and why he quit, and a bunch of other things.  

 

But what if by the end of the season a bunch of that does unfold for McD negatively?  You don't know with certainty that it won't.  

 

Take me for example, I enjoy the back-n-forth if it's civil.  I don't merely go starting threads and "crusading" as you say some do, but I've been accused of doing that.  I typically only respond to some, not all, posters in a polemical manner.  If people don't respond to my posts, then the conversation ends.  Often I'll simply state agree to disagree.  What's wrong with that.  Likewise for me.  There's certain posters I won't even bother giving one reply for that very reason.  

 

Some people get so upset over things that absolutely not one of us has any control over.  I don't get it.  

 

In the meantime, until the games start, or at least camps & preseason, all we have is talk amongst people that choose to come here, read, and/or respond.  But that choice is theirs.  If it upset me as much as I seem to see people getting upset by it, and given that not one of us can do a damn thing to change even an iota of it, I think I'd take a few months break and relax a little, enjoy life, family, whatever.  It's football, not everyone's livelihood.  

 

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by PBF81

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

No one thinks or wants McD to be fired right now.  This is a discussion, or should be.  Some people get way too upset over it.  

 

 

 

It's only at "crusade levels" because McD apologists argue back, and apparently get their panties all in a bunch.  Maybe not getting all twisted up over it would help your own cause if you want it to calm down, while simultaneously not ignoring all of the rumor floating around about McD.  Those rumors not spawned by people here, are out there for a reason.  Just like for all we know he may take us to the Super Bowl and win it this season, you have no idea if the Diggs thing is going to explode further, the rookies are going to be what's been billed, how McD's D is going to be, whether we find out more about Frasier and why he quit, and a bunch of other things.  

 

But what if by the end of the season a bunch of that does unfold for McD negatively?  You don't know with certainty that it won't.  

 

Take me for example, I enjoy the back-n-forth if it's civil.  I don't merely go starting threads and "crusading" as you say some do, but I've been accused of doing that.  I typically only respond to some, not all, posters in a polemical manner.  If people don't respond to my posts, then the conversation ends.  Likewise for me.  There's certain posters I won't even bother giving one reply for that very reason.  

 

Some people get so upset over things that absolutely not one of us has any control over.  I don't get it.  

 

In the meantime, until the games start, or at least camps & preseason, all we have is talk amongst people that choose to come here, read, and/or respond.  But that choice is theirs.  If it upset me as much as I seem to see people getting upset by it, and given that not one of us can do a damn thing to change even an iota of it, I think I'd take a few months break and relax a little, enjoy life, family, whatever.  It's football, not everyone's livelihood.  

 

 

 

Look at the most frequent posters on this thread and others like it. I’m not on that list, but certain people are, and nobody has to do much research to guess who they are. Some people get off on this stuff, and I’m just trying to provide a bit of balance. 

[BuffaloButt]

18 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Who is your replacement?  Who will absolutely, positively, 100%, be that "better" choice you are clamoring for?

 

I keep on hearing "McDermott is the problem."

 

Who is the solution? Someone actually available to be hired. 

This would be the next coach if they fire McD.

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/5774-randy-constan-peter-pan-guy

[PBF81]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

Look at the most frequent posters on this thread and others like it. I’m not on that list, but certain people are, and nobody has to do much research to guess who they are. Some people get off on this stuff, and I’m just trying to provide a bit of balance. 

 

I'm not frequent on this one, but in responding to other posters, not arbitrarily, I've been on several others.  I don't call that crusading though.  I'm also not "getting off on it" but I've been accused of that.  

 

Sometimes it helps to simply step back and enjoy the posting fury.  LOL  

 

I always marvel at how and at the rate at which threads deteriorate, A, from the original point made, and in terms of the hostilities.  [snicker]  

 

Sometimes you simply have to take things with a grain of salt.  The discussions here sometimes devolve into board-like discussions as if we as a community have to make the decisions.  

 

Enjoy your fathers day!  Presumably you're a dad, if so, happy fathers day!!!    

 

Don't let this stuff get to you and just agree to disagree.  That's what we did on one point that we made a friendly wager on.  

 

 

[Doc]

So the consensus is Ben Johnson as next Bills HC?

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

I'm not frequent on this one, but in responding to other posters, not arbitrarily, I've been on several others.  I don't call that crusading though.  I'm also not "getting off on it" but I've been accused of that.  

 

Sometimes it helps to simply step back and enjoy the posting fury.  LOL  

 

I always marvel at how and at the rate at which threads deteriorate, A, from the original point made, and in terms of the hostilities.  [snicker]  

 

Sometimes you simply have to take things with a grain of salt.  The discussions here sometimes devolve into board-like discussions as if we as a community have to make the decisions.  

 

Enjoy your fathers day!  Presumably you're a dad, if so, happy fathers day!!!    

 

Don't let this stuff get to you and just agree to disagree.  That's what we did on one point that we made a friendly wager on.  

 

 

 

This stuff doesn’t “get to me” really. Even the games are just entertainment. I read someone had tears in their eyes right before 13 seconds. That is someone you need to talk to. I’m just trying to provide a little balance during free moments on Fathers Day weekend. It’s our son’s FIRST Fathers Day, and that is awesome beyond belief! 

 

I don’t recall the wager, but I’m sure I won so it’s time for you to pay up!  😋

1 minute ago, Doc said:

So the consensus is Ben Johnson as next Bills HC?

Do you want to go ahead and let him know? 

[PBF81]

19 minutes ago, Augie said:

Look at the most frequent posters on this thread and others like it. I’m not on that list, but certain people are, and nobody has to do much research to guess who they are. Some people get off on this stuff, and I’m just trying to provide a bit of balance. 

 

Well, to start, and I think you know this, but I'm one of those that has seen enough from him.  Do I want him fired right now?  No, of course not, that makes zero sense.  

 

However, if the season plays out as I think it will, and neither you nor I know for certain how it's actually going to play out, then yes, I'd like to see someone else in the role.  If someone respectfully disagrees, like you do with me, great, no issues.  I can live with that.  Why do you and I seem to get along better when my take is the take that you can't stand. 

 

And to your point, maybe I missed it, but I don't think that given a choice, anyone would have him fired right now, in late June, just before camp starts.  That'd be idiocy.  

 

Like you and I decided and and agreed to do, just see how things play out and discuss as the season goes on, eh.    

 

It would hardly be the first time here that a major narrative were shattered, right.  LOL  I think everyone bought into Rex Ryan hook line and sinker, and look what happened.  Just one example from the coaching side.  From the player side there's Watkins, Zay Jones, Ford, Epenesa, etc.  

 

 

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, Augie said:

Do you want to go ahead and let him know? 

 

That he's the Bills Fans' choice for HC on the off chance McD gets fired after the season?  I'll need a little more to go on than that.

[PBF81]

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

This stuff doesn’t “get to me” really. Even the games are just entertainment. I read someone had tears in their eyes right before 13 seconds. That is someone you need to talk to. I’m just trying to provide a little balance during free moments on Fathers Day weekend. It’s our son’s FIRST Fathers Day, and that is awesome beyond belief! 

 

Congratulations on your son's first father's day.  That is awesome!!  Your first grandfather's day?  

 

LOL @ the "someone you need to talk to."   

 

 

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

I don’t recall the wager, but I’m sure I won so it’s time for you to pay up!  😋

 

IDK, maybe it wasn't you.  Had to do with Sherfield. 10 O/U I think.  I have it filed somewhere.  I'll probably forget by the time the season ends, one way or the other, unless I'm reminded.  

 

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by PBF81

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

So the consensus is Ben Johnson as next Bills HC?

'nobody can name a viable candidate!'

 

'ben Johnson'

 

'...nobody can name a viable candidate!'

 

'...Ben Johnson'

 

'so consensus is Ben Johnson as next Bills HC'

 

more strong dialogue from the bon mot crew😂😂

[PBF81]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

'nobody can name a viable candidate!'

 

'ben Johnson'

 

'...nobody can name a viable candidate!'

 

'...Ben Johnson'

 

'so consensus is Ben Johnson as next Bills HC'

 

more strong dialogue from the bon mot crew😂😂

 

I've got one tucked away that I'm not going to mention lest I have to take a shower to wash the rotten veggies and eggs off of me.  

 

Seriously though, there's on in particular and a couple others that I'm going to keep my eye on just in case.  All currently OCs.  

 

Ben Johnson would seem as if he'd be in the mix though.  

 

 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Well, to start, and I think you know this, but I'm one of those that has seen enough from him.  Do I want him fired right now?  No, of course not, that makes zero sense.  

 

However, if the season plays out as I think it will, and neither you nor I know for certain how it's actually going to play out, then yes, I'd like to see someone else in the role.  If someone respectfully disagrees, like you do with me, great, no issues.  I can live with that.  Why do you and I seem to get along better when my take is the take that you can't stand. 

 

And to your point, maybe I missed it, but I don't think that given a choice, anyone would have him fired right now, in late June, just before camp starts.  That'd be idiocy.  

 

Like you and I decided and and agreed to do, just see how things play out and discuss as the season goes on, eh.    

 

It would hardly be the first time here that a major narrative were shattered, right.  LOL  I think everyone bought into Rex Ryan hook line and sinker, and look what happened.  Just one example from the coaching side.  From the player side there's Watkins, Zay Jones, Ford, Epenesa, etc.  

 

 

 

The bold may be where the disconnect is. I don’t hate your take on this. McD may have to be replaced at some point, but we agree now is not the time.

 

What is mildly disturbing is the fervor with which some people latch onto this topic. You, Einstein and NewCam have 61 combined posts in the Mike Lombardi (pure speculation) thread. The 4th most frequent poster in that thread had 9 posts (and it is NOT me). THAT tells us something. We get it, enough already. So, I’ll do more of what most people are doing here: mostly ignore it, albeit manually. 

[Doc]

34 minutes ago, BuffaloButt said:

This would be the next coach if they fire McD.

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/5774-randy-constan-peter-pan-guy

 

Amateur!

 

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

'nobody can name a viable candidate!'

 

'ben Johnson'

 

'...nobody can name a viable candidate!'

 

'...Ben Johnson'

 

'so consensus is Ben Johnson as next Bills HC'

 

more strong dialogue from the bon mot crew😂😂

 

This is funny considering you were the first one to bring him up.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Amateur!

 

 

This is funny considering you were the first one to bring him up.

Yes answering the OP is hilarious

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

All aboard the Ben Johnson train 🚆 

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

All aboard the Ben Johnson train 🚆 

 

If they do move on from McD and given the trend in HC's being offensive minded ones, I wouldn't be against it.  Presuming a) he keeps it up this year and b) he could find a good DC.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Doc

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yes and yes. 
 

He’s awful

Awful?  Based on what criteria? 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That Orange Bowl might remain his biggest win. 

So far yes.  And I agree the loss to TCU was embarrassing especially after what they did to OSU. No excuses for that loss.  Of course he has an NFC Championship win. 

 

What is McD biggest win?  Division round against the Ravens?