To all the Fire McDermott Posters, a follow up question..

[Augie]

38 minutes ago, SCBills said:

It’s disingenuous to ask this in the middle of June.   The list of candidates is not what is there after the season.  
 

You could ask what people wish we did (past tense) or discuss this in the future tense, but as of right now.. everyone (college and pro) is locked in. 
 

The question makes no sense to demand an answer to at this point of the season. 

 

Not at all. It makes just as much sense as wanting to fire a coach coming of a 14-4 season, IMO. I just wanted some balance for all the whining. I think it’s fair to ask for a solution. Maybe a list of college HC’s or pro OC’s. If it’s not fair to ask for names, it’s not fair to assume that any replacement coach can do better than McD. I think the odds are against you there. 

 

I don’t like hypothetical “what we wish we did” talk. That’s the kind of garbage that takes no courage or real knowledge. We can all go back to previous drafts and say we should have done this, or that. Totally pointless. 

 

Face it, some people (and we all know who they are, look at the most frequent posters on this thread and similar threads) are getting off on this. You can say it’s killing time in the offseason, but some are taking it to crusade levels. IF you want to say there’s a problem, I don’t think it’s unfair to as for solutions, if only to slow the roll. 

 

 

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Edited June 18, 2023 by Augie

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Not at all. It makes just as much sense as wanting to fire a coach coming of a 14-4 season, IMO. I just wanted some balance for all the whining. I think it’s fair to ask for a solution. Maybe a list of college HC’s or pro OC’s. If it’s not fair to ask for names, it’s not fair to assume that any replacement coach can do better than McD. I think the odds are against you there. 

 

I don’t like hypothetical “what we wish we did” talk. That’s the kind of garbage that takes no courage or real knowledge. We can all go back to previous drafts and say we should have done this, or that. Totally pointless. 

 

Face it, some people (and we all know who they are, look at the most frequent posters on this thread and similar threads) are getting off on this. You can say it’s killing time in the offseason, but some are taking it to crusade levels. IF you want to say there’s a problem, I don’t think it’s unfair to as for solutions, if only to slow the roll. 

 

 

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18 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Ben Johnson

 

Fyi 'the next guy might be worse' is not a ringing endorsement 

 

[PBF81]

16 minutes ago, Augie said:

Not at all. It makes just as much sense as wanting to fire a coach coming of a 14-4 season, IMO. I just wanted some balance for all the whining. I think it’s fair to ask for a solution. Maybe a list of college HC’s or pro OC’s. If it’s not fair to ask for names, it’s not fair to assume that any replacement coach can do better than McD. I think the odds are against you there. 

 

No one thinks or wants McD to be fired right now.  This is a discussion, or should be.  Some people get way too upset over it.  

 

 

16 minutes ago, Augie said:

Face it, some people (and we all know who they are, look at the most frequent posters on this thread and similar threads) are getting off on this. You can say it’s killing time in the offseason, but some are taking it to crusade levels. IF you want to say there’s a problem, I don’t think it’s unfair to as for solutions, if only to slow the roll. 

 

It's only at "crusade levels" because McD apologists argue back, and apparently get their panties all in a bunch.  One could argue that the "crusade" is that McD is the perfect head coach argument.  Which is ridiculous. 

 

Maybe not getting all twisted up over it would help your own cause if you want it to calm down, while simultaneously not ignoring all of the rumor floating around about McD.  Those rumors not spawned by people here, are out there for a reason.  Just like for all we know he may take us to the Super Bowl and win it this season, you have no idea if the Diggs thing is going to explode further, the rookies are going to be what's been billed, how McD's D is going to be, whether we find out more about Frasier and why he quit, and a bunch of other things.  

 

But what if by the end of the season a bunch of that does unfold for McD negatively?  You don't know with certainty that it won't.  

 

Take me for example, I enjoy the back-n-forth if it's civil.  I don't merely go starting threads and "crusading" as you say some do, but I've been accused of doing that.  I typically only respond to some, not all, posters in a polemical manner.  If people don't respond to my posts, then the conversation ends.  Often I'll simply state agree to disagree.  What's wrong with that.  Likewise for me.  There's certain posters I won't even bother giving one reply for that very reason.  

 

Some people get so upset over things that absolutely not one of us has any control over.  I don't get it.  

 

In the meantime, until the games start, or at least camps & preseason, all we have is talk amongst people that choose to come here, read, and/or respond.  But that choice is theirs.  If it upset me as much as I seem to see people getting upset by it, and given that not one of us can do a damn thing to change even an iota of it, I think I'd take a few months break and relax a little, enjoy life, family, whatever.  It's football, not everyone's livelihood.  

 

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by PBF81

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

No one thinks or wants McD to be fired right now.  This is a discussion, or should be.  Some people get way too upset over it.  

 

 

 

It's only at "crusade levels" because McD apologists argue back, and apparently get their panties all in a bunch.  Maybe not getting all twisted up over it would help your own cause if you want it to calm down, while simultaneously not ignoring all of the rumor floating around about McD.  Those rumors not spawned by people here, are out there for a reason.  Just like for all we know he may take us to the Super Bowl and win it this season, you have no idea if the Diggs thing is going to explode further, the rookies are going to be what's been billed, how McD's D is going to be, whether we find out more about Frasier and why he quit, and a bunch of other things.  

 

But what if by the end of the season a bunch of that does unfold for McD negatively?  You don't know with certainty that it won't.  

 

Take me for example, I enjoy the back-n-forth if it's civil.  I don't merely go starting threads and "crusading" as you say some do, but I've been accused of doing that.  I typically only respond to some, not all, posters in a polemical manner.  If people don't respond to my posts, then the conversation ends.  Likewise for me.  There's certain posters I won't even bother giving one reply for that very reason.  

 

Some people get so upset over things that absolutely not one of us has any control over.  I don't get it.  

 

In the meantime, until the games start, or at least camps & preseason, all we have is talk amongst people that choose to come here, read, and/or respond.  But that choice is theirs.  If it upset me as much as I seem to see people getting upset by it, and given that not one of us can do a damn thing to change even an iota of it, I think I'd take a few months break and relax a little, enjoy life, family, whatever.  It's football, not everyone's livelihood.  

 

 

 

Look at the most frequent posters on this thread and others like it. I’m not on that list, but certain people are, and nobody has to do much research to guess who they are. Some people get off on this stuff, and I’m just trying to provide a bit of balance. 

[BuffaloButt]

18 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Who is your replacement?  Who will absolutely, positively, 100%, be that "better" choice you are clamoring for?

 

I keep on hearing "McDermott is the problem."

 

Who is the solution? Someone actually available to be hired. 

This would be the next coach if they fire McD.

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/5774-randy-constan-peter-pan-guy

[PBF81]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

Look at the most frequent posters on this thread and others like it. I’m not on that list, but certain people are, and nobody has to do much research to guess who they are. Some people get off on this stuff, and I’m just trying to provide a bit of balance. 

 

I'm not frequent on this one, but in responding to other posters, not arbitrarily, I've been on several others.  I don't call that crusading though.  I'm also not "getting off on it" but I've been accused of that.  

 

Sometimes it helps to simply step back and enjoy the posting fury.  LOL  

 

I always marvel at how and at the rate at which threads deteriorate, A, from the original point made, and in terms of the hostilities.  [snicker]  

 

Sometimes you simply have to take things with a grain of salt.  The discussions here sometimes devolve into board-like discussions as if we as a community have to make the decisions.  

 

Enjoy your fathers day!  Presumably you're a dad, if so, happy fathers day!!!    

 

Don't let this stuff get to you and just agree to disagree.  That's what we did on one point that we made a friendly wager on.  

 

 

[Doc]

So the consensus is Ben Johnson as next Bills HC?

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

I'm not frequent on this one, but in responding to other posters, not arbitrarily, I've been on several others.  I don't call that crusading though.  I'm also not "getting off on it" but I've been accused of that.  

 

Sometimes it helps to simply step back and enjoy the posting fury.  LOL  

 

I always marvel at how and at the rate at which threads deteriorate, A, from the original point made, and in terms of the hostilities.  [snicker]  

 

Sometimes you simply have to take things with a grain of salt.  The discussions here sometimes devolve into board-like discussions as if we as a community have to make the decisions.  

 

Enjoy your fathers day!  Presumably you're a dad, if so, happy fathers day!!!    

 

Don't let this stuff get to you and just agree to disagree.  That's what we did on one point that we made a friendly wager on.  

 

 

 

This stuff doesn’t “get to me” really. Even the games are just entertainment. I read someone had tears in their eyes right before 13 seconds. That is someone you need to talk to. I’m just trying to provide a little balance during free moments on Fathers Day weekend. It’s our son’s FIRST Fathers Day, and that is awesome beyond belief! 

 

I don’t recall the wager, but I’m sure I won so it’s time for you to pay up!  😋

1 minute ago, Doc said:

So the consensus is Ben Johnson as next Bills HC?

Do you want to go ahead and let him know? 

[PBF81]

19 minutes ago, Augie said:

Look at the most frequent posters on this thread and others like it. I’m not on that list, but certain people are, and nobody has to do much research to guess who they are. Some people get off on this stuff, and I’m just trying to provide a bit of balance. 

 

Well, to start, and I think you know this, but I'm one of those that has seen enough from him.  Do I want him fired right now?  No, of course not, that makes zero sense.  

 

However, if the season plays out as I think it will, and neither you nor I know for certain how it's actually going to play out, then yes, I'd like to see someone else in the role.  If someone respectfully disagrees, like you do with me, great, no issues.  I can live with that.  Why do you and I seem to get along better when my take is the take that you can't stand. 

 

And to your point, maybe I missed it, but I don't think that given a choice, anyone would have him fired right now, in late June, just before camp starts.  That'd be idiocy.  

 

Like you and I decided and and agreed to do, just see how things play out and discuss as the season goes on, eh.    

 

It would hardly be the first time here that a major narrative were shattered, right.  LOL  I think everyone bought into Rex Ryan hook line and sinker, and look what happened.  Just one example from the coaching side.  From the player side there's Watkins, Zay Jones, Ford, Epenesa, etc.  

 

 

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, Augie said:

Do you want to go ahead and let him know? 

 

That he's the Bills Fans' choice for HC on the off chance McD gets fired after the season?  I'll need a little more to go on than that.

[PBF81]

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

This stuff doesn’t “get to me” really. Even the games are just entertainment. I read someone had tears in their eyes right before 13 seconds. That is someone you need to talk to. I’m just trying to provide a little balance during free moments on Fathers Day weekend. It’s our son’s FIRST Fathers Day, and that is awesome beyond belief! 

 

Congratulations on your son's first father's day.  That is awesome!!  Your first grandfather's day?  

 

LOL @ the "someone you need to talk to."   

 

 

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

I don’t recall the wager, but I’m sure I won so it’s time for you to pay up!  😋

 

IDK, maybe it wasn't you.  Had to do with Sherfield. 10 O/U I think.  I have it filed somewhere.  I'll probably forget by the time the season ends, one way or the other, unless I'm reminded.  

 

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by PBF81

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

So the consensus is Ben Johnson as next Bills HC?

'nobody can name a viable candidate!'

 

'ben Johnson'

 

'...nobody can name a viable candidate!'

 

'...Ben Johnson'

 

'so consensus is Ben Johnson as next Bills HC'

 

more strong dialogue from the bon mot crew😂😂

[PBF81]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

'nobody can name a viable candidate!'

 

'ben Johnson'

 

'...nobody can name a viable candidate!'

 

'...Ben Johnson'

 

'so consensus is Ben Johnson as next Bills HC'

 

more strong dialogue from the bon mot crew😂😂

 

I've got one tucked away that I'm not going to mention lest I have to take a shower to wash the rotten veggies and eggs off of me.  

 

Seriously though, there's on in particular and a couple others that I'm going to keep my eye on just in case.  All currently OCs.  

 

Ben Johnson would seem as if he'd be in the mix though.  

 

 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Well, to start, and I think you know this, but I'm one of those that has seen enough from him.  Do I want him fired right now?  No, of course not, that makes zero sense.  

 

However, if the season plays out as I think it will, and neither you nor I know for certain how it's actually going to play out, then yes, I'd like to see someone else in the role.  If someone respectfully disagrees, like you do with me, great, no issues.  I can live with that.  Why do you and I seem to get along better when my take is the take that you can't stand. 

 

And to your point, maybe I missed it, but I don't think that given a choice, anyone would have him fired right now, in late June, just before camp starts.  That'd be idiocy.  

 

Like you and I decided and and agreed to do, just see how things play out and discuss as the season goes on, eh.    

 

It would hardly be the first time here that a major narrative were shattered, right.  LOL  I think everyone bought into Rex Ryan hook line and sinker, and look what happened.  Just one example from the coaching side.  From the player side there's Watkins, Zay Jones, Ford, Epenesa, etc.  

 

 

 

The bold may be where the disconnect is. I don’t hate your take on this. McD may have to be replaced at some point, but we agree now is not the time.

 

What is mildly disturbing is the fervor with which some people latch onto this topic. You, Einstein and NewCam have 61 combined posts in the Mike Lombardi (pure speculation) thread. The 4th most frequent poster in that thread had 9 posts (and it is NOT me). THAT tells us something. We get it, enough already. So, I’ll do more of what most people are doing here: mostly ignore it, albeit manually. 

[Doc]

34 minutes ago, BuffaloButt said:

This would be the next coach if they fire McD.

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/5774-randy-constan-peter-pan-guy

 

Amateur!

 

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

'nobody can name a viable candidate!'

 

'ben Johnson'

 

'...nobody can name a viable candidate!'

 

'...Ben Johnson'

 

'so consensus is Ben Johnson as next Bills HC'

 

more strong dialogue from the bon mot crew😂😂

 

This is funny considering you were the first one to bring him up.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Amateur!

 

 

This is funny considering you were the first one to bring him up.

Yes answering the OP is hilarious

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

All aboard the Ben Johnson train 🚆 

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

All aboard the Ben Johnson train 🚆 

 

If they do move on from McD and given the trend in HC's being offensive minded ones, I wouldn't be against it.  Presuming a) he keeps it up this year and b) he could find a good DC.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Doc

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yes and yes. 
 

He’s awful

Awful?  Based on what criteria? 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That Orange Bowl might remain his biggest win. 

So far yes.  And I agree the loss to TCU was embarrassing especially after what they did to OSU. No excuses for that loss.  Of course he has an NFC Championship win. 

 

What is McD biggest win?  Division round against the Ravens?