Toyo321 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-head-coach-rankings-andy-reid-bill-belichick#:~:text=NFL Coach Rankings%3A Bills' Sean,22nd among active head coaches.\\ https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/nfl-head-coaching-rankings-which-teams-coach-reigns-supreme/ Sport Illustrated just dumped on him based on The 33rd Team analysis. I do believe this year he seriously is in the hot seat, now that he to has call the D this year on top of the head coaching duties. I guess we will see. Edited May 27, 2023 by Toyo321 5 5 1 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) Not saying sirianni is a bad coach because obviously he’s done well and can run an offense. But top 5 already? He sounds like a goof when he speaks too. He had a lot of talent pretty much from the beginning Edited May 27, 2023 by BillsSbSoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Toyo321 said: https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-head-coach-rankings-andy-reid-bill-belichick#:~:text=NFL Coach Rankings%3A Bills' Sean,22nd among active head coaches.\\ https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/nfl-head-coaching-rankings-which-teams-coach-reigns-supreme/ Sport Illustrated just dump on him based on The 33rd Team analysis. I do believe this year he seriously is in the hot seat, now that he to has call the D this year on top of the head coaching duties. I guess we will see. I don’t think he’s in the hot seat at all. Not even close. He went 14-4 last year. Those guys are not really what you call “hot seat material”. . Edited May 27, 2023 by Augie 3 15 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, Augie said: I don’t think he’s in the hot seat at all. Not even close. Neither do I. But I also think it's a conversation worth having. 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, GoBills808 said: Neither do I. But I also think it's a conversation worth having. We can talk about the Chupacabra if you want. It’s only slightly less likely at this point. JMO - feel free to carry on. 2 2 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Augie said: I don’t think he’s in the hot seat at all. Not even close. How would you describe McD's status with the Bills? A serious question. We have 13 seconds, the Cincy game, and some duds in the regular season. I'm not calling for his head at all. This was an organization in pretty bad shape when he arrived so I do recognize his efforts and results playoff appearances and division titles. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Augie said: We can talk about the Chupacabra if you want. It’s only slightly less likely at this point. JMO - feel free to carry on. Don't be so cynical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: How would you describe McD's status with the Bills? A serious question. We have 13 seconds, the Cincy game, and some duds in the regular season. I'm not calling for his head at all. This was an organization in pretty bad shape when he arrived so I do recognize his efforts and results playoff appearances and division titles. I describe it as sound and secure at this point. He was 14-4 last year despite a cluster**** of turmoil. I wish there was an inoculation for 13 seconds. It’s over. Big picture people! We are a top 5 team in the league. Who wants to shake that up and start over? Not me. Let’s just keep tweaking to get better every year. 8 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, Augie said: We can talk about the Chupacabra if you want. It’s only slightly less likely at this point. JMO - feel free to carry on. I mean it's the topic of discussion. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: I mean it's the topic of discussion. As could be the mythical creature. That is how I see it. I don’t have to give it any weight worthy of discussion because somebody started a thread to discuss it. If we have a losing record they would give him another year, and I don’t see that happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 20 minutes ago, Augie said: I don’t think he’s in the hot seat at all. Not even close. He went 14-4 last year. Those guys are not really what you call “hot seat material”. . It’s a lame take like Diggs should be gone in another thread. The kings of decisions made during the 17 yr. drought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: How would you describe McD's status with the Bills? A serious question. We have 13 seconds, the Cincy game, and some duds in the regular season. I'm not calling for his head at all. This was an organization in pretty bad shape when he arrived so I do recognize his efforts and results playoff appearances and division titles. 13 seconds and the Cincy game has to be weighed against a slew of odd adversities (including Hamlin, Knox’s brother) numerous key injuries (including Allen’s elbow), a first-year OC, and still a 14-4 record. And you also can’t just discount the post Rex Ryan/Doug Whaley rebuild, which has become a league blueprint for how to build a winning culture. The Bills would have to experience an actual step backwards to put McDermott (or Beane, for that matter) in the hot seat, in my opinion. 2 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, Augie said: As could be the mythical creature. That is how I see it. I don’t have to give it any weight worthy of discussion because somebody started a thread to discuss it. If we have a losing record they would give him another year, and I don’t see that happening. So the Eagles firing a Super Bowl winning coach and then three years later being right back in the championship is a fairy tale in your mind. That didn't actually happen. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrW Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) This is not a real www.si.com article. They host on their web site hundreds of bloggers. The author of this piece, Richie Whitt, seems to take write-ups of other authors and provide a Reader's Digest-like summary. This is just a rehash of the Ross Tucker piece (which is already under discussion here), without any new insights. Edited May 27, 2023 by DrW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: So the Eagles firing a Super Bowl winning coach and then three years later being right back in the championship is a fairy tale in your mind. That didn't actually happen. Who is talking about the Eagles? Not me. I’m talking about the HC of the Buffalo Bills in 2023 working for the Pegula’s. I do not see him as being on the hot seat, even after a single bad season. Just my opinion, but I seriously doubt I’m alone. His track record gives him a healthy grace period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 McD is a top 10 coach. His in game management still needs to get better, but he keeps the team in check. He lead the team through the shooting. He lead the team through the blizzard. He lead the team and saved the NFL from itself with Hamlin. The team still went 13-3 last year with all of that going on. McD is one of the best leaders in the NFL and easily a top 10 coach. 8 5 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, Augie said: Who is talking about the Eagles? Not me. I’m talking about the HC of the Buffalo Bills in 2023 working for the Pegula’s. I do not see him as being on the hot seat, even after a single bad season. Just my opinion, but I seriously doubt I’m alone. His track record gives him a healthy grace period. I am talking about the Eagles because it's a relevant example to the topic of discussion. I think it's likely Sean McDermott has Mark Jackson syndrome, the perfect guy for rebuilding a decrepit franchise and then turning it over to someone who can finish the job and maximize the potential of one of the premier talents in the game. 2 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, GoBills808 said: I am talking about the Eagles because it's a relevant example to the topic of discussion. I think it's likely Sean McDermott has Mark Jackson syndrome, the perfect guy for rebuilding a decrepit franchise and then turning it over to someone who can finish the job and maximize the potential of one of the premier talents in the game. We can agree to disagree, then. Nobody wins it…..until they win it. See Andy Reid as example #1. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Augie said: I describe it as sound and secure at this point. He was 14-4 last year despite a cluster**** of turmoil. I wish there was an inoculation for 13 seconds. It’s over. Big picture people! We are a top 5 team in the league. Who wants to shake that up and start over? Not me. Let’s just keep tweaking to get better every year. You do realize that this team is going to get thinner on talent really quick. You can't tweak if you have no CAP money, which sucks because D. Hopkins is now on the market. Hyde and Poyer at 32yrs old, are good but past their primes. T. White at corner has to step it up big time this year, he is getting paid to much to play they way he did after returning to the lineup last year. He got torched and made all kinds of mistakes after he returned last year. Our defensive front line got manhandled & annihilated by the Cincy O-Line backups in the playoff's and on the suspended game, almost lost to a 3rd string QB starting for Miami in the playoffs. We have to deal with the Von Miller, JA17, Diggs, Milano, Knox and Dawkins contracts which are a huge detriment to this team to tweak problem positions, plus Miller is coming back after another knee injury. This team did not get any better for the upcoming season and if McDermott can't fix the D the same thing will happen again this year in the playoffs. Getting back there this year is going to be a lot harder, both Miami and the Jets got much better than we did this off season. McD and Buffalo will have a huge bullseye on the back of their heads this year, and everyone is taking aim. Edited May 27, 2023 by Toyo321 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 I'm very torn on McD. But I think he's a solid coach overall. Anyone harping on "13 seconds" should take a look at the Pats win against KC in the AFCCG. Mahomes went the same distance in 16 seconds to set up a FG. So, basically, a difference of 3 seconds between McD & the GOAT. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 I'm just waiting for the narrative to change to...He's not the type of coach to win multiple Super Bowls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Toyo321 said: You do realize that this team is going to get thinner on talent really quick. You can't tweak if you have no CAP money, which sucks because D. Hopkins is now on the market. Hyde and Poyer at 32yrs old, are good but past their primes. T. White at corner has to step it up big time this year, he is getting paid to much to play they way he did after returning to the lineup last year. He got torched and made all kinds of mistakes after he returned last year. Our defensive front line got manhandled & annihilated by the Cincy O-Line backups in the playoff's and on the suspended game, almost lost to a 3rd string QB starting for Miami in the playoffs. We have to deal with the Von Miller, JA17, Diggs, Milano, Knox and Dawkins contracts which are a huge detriment to this team to tweak problem positions, plus Miller is coming back after another knee injury. This team did not get any better for the upcoming season and if McDermott can't fix the D the same thing will happen again this year in the playoffs. Getting back there this year is going to be a lot harder, both Miami and the Jets got much better than we did this off season. McD and Buffalo will have a huge bullseye on the back of heads this year and everyone is taking aim. Your glass is bone dry, I get it. EDIT: That is hyperbole, before you overreact. 😋 . Edited May 27, 2023 by Augie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Augie said: I describe it as sound and secure at this point. He was 14-4 last year despite a cluster**** of turmoil. I wish there was an inoculation for 13 seconds. It’s over. Big picture people! We are a top 5 team in the league. Who wants to shake that up and start over? Not me. Let’s just keep tweaking to get better every year. I wish there was an antidote for fans simply content with fun winning regular seasons, while we've now failed in 5 McDermott era playoffs. Edited May 27, 2023 by LABILLBACKER 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 47 minutes ago, Augie said: I describe it as sound and secure at this point. He was 14-4 last year despite a cluster**** of turmoil. I wish there was an inoculation for 13 seconds. It’s over. Big picture people! We are a top 5 team in the league. Who wants to shake that up and start over? Not me. Let’s just keep tweaking to get better every year. Agree but at some point the team has to go further. The last few playoff appearances have been pretty disappointing. Wouldn't you agree? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Toyo321 said: https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-head-coach-rankings-andy-reid-bill-belichick#:~:text=NFL Coach Rankings%3A Bills' Sean,22nd among active head coaches.\\ https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/nfl-head-coaching-rankings-which-teams-coach-reigns-supreme/ Sport Illustrated just dump on him based on The 33rd Team analysis. I do believe this year he seriously is in the hot seat, now that he to has call the D this year on top of the head coaching duties. I guess we will see. Maybe I'm delusional but I don't see McDs seat being anywhere near hot, unless we missed the playoffs, no chance he isn't here next year. Idk, I consider him an excellent coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 “Everyone hates the Bills!!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Augie said: Your glass is bone dry, I get it. EDIT: That is hyperbole, before you overreact. 😋 . Are HC's ever let go because they have a talented team that cant get take the team over the edge to a SB game? Just asking? Cause everyone believes this team will win the regular season... Its the playoffs and not getting to the next step that has become the most disturbing to some. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 48 minutes ago, Augie said: As could be the mythical creature. That is how I see it. I don’t have to give it any weight worthy of discussion because somebody started a thread to discuss it. If we have a losing record they would give him another year, and I don’t see that happening. I think the clear goal of the team is to make a Super Bowl appearence and win it all. It certainly is a realistic goal. Wouldn't you agree? I think the Bills players and organization absolutely believe they could win it all. They have fell short for several years. Wouldn't you agree? Now fast forward and I think its a time for Buffalo to step up and proceed further. Super Bowl appearence would be a step forward. Obviously, hoisting the Lombardi too. Has the team progressed to where good regular season records, AFC titles, and early playoffs exits is enough? Serious question here? How fair it that to the organization and players? The old saying "Super Bowl or bust" seems to apply this team. Perhaps unfair but is it? Is this the new reality of the team and it's fans expectations? At what point does the top brass evaluate the coaches and GM if they continue to fall short come playoff time? Will you or the ownership continue to be satisfied with the current status quo? I firmly believe McD deserves another season or more to get it done. I have my doubts he can. The last two playoff exits surely seem to suggest this. As a fan, I don't think I can get in McD corner if the team doesn't march further in the playoffs. Of course, variables such as injuries can alter that point of view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 De ja vu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Are HC's ever let go because they have a talented team that cant get take the team over the edge to a SB game? Just asking? Cause everyone believes this team will win the regular season... Its the playoffs and not getting to the next step that has become the most disturbing to some. Yes, Marty Schottenheimer. He lost in the playoffs 4 straight years with Cleveland and went on to lose 7 playoff seasons with KC. Sean has 5 down, 6 to go? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Agree but at some point the team has to go further. The last few playoff appearances have been pretty disappointing. Wouldn't you agree? Obviously disappointing, but only because we were so close and capable. That is not a bad thing. Sometimes it doesn’t go your way. We were a different team with Von in the game. The ball bounced the wrong way. It happens. Only one team ends the season truly happy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsSbSoon said: Not saying sirianni is a bad coach because obviously he’s done well and can run an offense. But top 5 already? He sounds like a goof when he speaks too. He had a lot of talent pretty much from the beginning definitely better to have a process than a conference championship. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 1 hour ago, GETTOTHE50 said: McD is a top 10 coach. His in game management still needs to get better, but he keeps the team in check. He lead the team through the shooting. He lead the team through the blizzard. He lead the team and saved the NFL from itself with Hamlin. The team still went 13-3 last year with all of that going on. McD is one of the best leaders in the NFL and easily a top 10 coach. This all says he's a great leader of men. It doesn't really say that he won't coach a dud of a defensive game in the playoffs again. That being said (and I'm not dissing what you are saying because there is a lot of truth there) a lot of teams lay duds against the best offenses in the league. Just wish we could be the team in the playoffs that the other great teams Cant stop. I think that's is where McD needs to step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said: This all says he's a great leader of men. It doesn't really say that he won't coach a dud of a defensive game in the playoffs again. That being said (and I'm not dissing what you are saying because there is a lot of truth there) a lot of teams lay duds against the best offenses in the league. Just wish we could be the team in the playoffs that the other great teams Cant stop. I think that's is where McD needs to step up. His playoff results aren't top 10. They just are not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Chaos said: His playoff results aren't top 10. They just are not. I agree. Playoffs have been all about Josh. I'm not on either side as far as keep McD or not, but I will say that as long as Josh is on this team, we'll see similar results. Maybe better maybe worse i don't know but it's about Josh. Heck even coaching knows this as they haven't done a whole ton to help him until late. (Questionable take right there) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 To be a top 5 coach, he needs an innovative mind to run the O. That’s it. I think the D will be better w/McD calling the plays so all he needs is someone to engineer a dynamic O for him to succeed. That’s the issue with hiring a D HC IMO. When your O does well, the staff will get poached and you have to start over. Less likely to lose your D staff when the team is successful. I like thinking in racing terms, so the coordinators are like the car engineers. They design a world class vehicle for their QB to drive. The more time they work together, the more the Racecar/O is tweaked to fit the driver/QBs preferences and strengths. Sort of felt like last year, they tried to hire the Engineer’s assistant to run the same car/O and discovered there were some nuances to making it run right that the assistant had to figure out. The only real way to avoid this issue over and over IMO is to hire a Co-HC for the O? Is that even a thing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said: I agree. Playoffs have been all about Josh. I'm not on either side as far as keep McD or not, but I will say that as long as Josh is on this team, we'll see similar results. Maybe better maybe worse i don't know but it's about Josh. Heck even coaching knows this as they haven't done a whole ton to help him until late. (Questionable take right there) Sorry to offend you with my opinion lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Augie said: I describe it as sound and secure at this point. He was 14-4 last year despite a cluster**** of turmoil. I wish there was an inoculation for 13 seconds. It’s over. Big picture people! We are a top 5 team in the league. Who wants to shake that up and start over? Not me. Let’s just keep tweaking to get better every year. Josh is entering his sixth season and his prime. If a coach cannot win a SB with Josh as his Franchise QB, then the Bills will have to take a call.. The question will be whether the Pegulas will see it early on and make the move or do it in say Josh's 8th year. There is definitely something that is missing in this coaching staff when it comes to the playoffs...Texans, Colts, Chiefs, Dolphins, Bengals -- All games where the opposing coaching was better but thanks to our QB were able to sneak wins in some of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) Beane “We’re always looking to improve the team and competition”. At some point it applies to coaching staffs. Do we really think we have a top 10–> HC DC OC STC? I’ve not seen much memorable or “hey that was a good move” from this crew. Yup, Josh saves the day often but coaching wins AFCC etc. Josh gets us to the medal round; coaching wins the gold Edited May 28, 2023 by Since1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: I mean it's the topic of discussion. And so are some peoples poodles, McDermott is not a topic of concern as to being on the “hot seat” he just isn’t, it’s nothing more than click bait, but yeah, feel free to use lots of words on this “ topic of discussion “ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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