Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

An ESPN Radio  personality @EShunESPN claims Hopkins is close to an agreement with the Patriots.  The guy does have 13k followers and is a former Colts WR Coach

 

Hopefully that's a false report 

 

Mac Jones or Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes. Which one doesn't belong with the other two.

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

Mac Jones or Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes. Which one doesn't belong with the other two.

$$$$

[Sharky7337]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

An ESPN Radio  personality @EShunESPN claims Hopkins is close to an agreement with the Patriots.  The guy does have 13k followers and is a former Colts WR Coach

 

Hopefully that's a false report 

Uhhh dude you realize hopkins got dumped by Bill Obrien for peanuts you really think he's gonna go play for him again? 

 

I mean I just have a hard time believing it. And the patriots would honestly be one of the least threatening places for him to land.

[hondo in seattle]

Breer's SI article didn't leave me feeling enthused.  If this has been posted before, apologies...  Here's what Breer's heard from NFL execs:

 

I asked one veteran team executive what’s still there, and he answered, via text, “Not much. He can’t run anymore.” Another answer was pretty different—“He’s still a good player. Good route runner, big, physical target that can play a ball in the air. He’s still a threat.” And a third played both sides of it.

 

 

“Still great hands, he is not going to separate, not much of a deep threat, but very strong, and makes contested catches as well as anyone in the NFL,” the AFC exec said. “Does not love to practice—I can’t imagine that’ll get any better. And when things don’t go well, you’re always gonna be leery, All right, what kind of drama are we gonna get from this guy? When things are great, he’s great. When things go south, his true colors show a little bit.

 

“But he always shows up on game day. He’s gonna have to go to a team that knows what they’re getting. You cannot expect a perfect-attendance type of worker.”

 

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/inside-deandre-hopkins-s-release-why-he-had-no-value-to-teams/ar-AA1bT9cK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3a7b4480e80e426a827b9155715181a8&ei=32

Edited May 30, 2023 by hondo in seattle

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

WGR & your Buffalo News aint gonna tell that story cause they are under Pegula's thumb.

 

This is true.

 

3 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

What I dont get is why posters here dont want to keep it real and accept any criticism

 

Quickest way to get crapped on is to be realistic. 

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

Uhhh dude you realize hopkins got dumped by Bill Obrien for peanuts you really think he's gonna go play for him again? 

 

I mean I just have a hard time believing it. And the patriots would honestly be one of the least threatening places for him to land.

 

Who Knows. Bill B. loves him and they could throw 60 million at him over 3-4 years

Edited May 30, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

That is interesting...I thought he had an agent

 

He is being "represented" by Saint Omni, the guy that the NFL sent out a warning on to teams because he was working with Lamar Jackson despite not being a certified NFLPA agent. He also helped Laremy Tunsil and Roquan Smith get their deals. Somehow this guy has built a following among superstar NFL players and is basically working for them off the record.

 

Edited May 30, 2023 by HappyDays

[Dr. Who]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think he's a tad higher than low end. One of the biggest issues with his play last year is that a lot of his routes were ones that take time to develop. When you couple that with immediate pressure up the middle on many of Allen's passes last year it causes him to have to break that off and it becomes a bit of "backyard ball"...just get open and be ready. That isn't Davis's strong suit. He plays very well when things go to plan. When Allen has protection and Davis can get through his whole route he usually does very well. This is why I had issue with Dorsey not adjusting the offense a bit to a quicker fast attacking short to mid route gameplan. 

 

With the Bills focusing on shoring up that IOL this year with McGovern, who is very strong at pass blocking, Edwards and Torrence I expect Davis to be able to run those deeper routes that Dorsey likes to run. 

 

I'm not convinced that Davis can do well on the short and intermediate routes, so his best usage is rather exclusively the long ball. It's true that inadequacies on the oline affected him perhaps more than other receivers. He doesn't have to be WR2 to run the deep routes, however.

[pocoboy]

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Didn't Allen hurt his arm in the first Jets game at MetLife before they played GB.

 

No, the following game was in the Meadowlands.

[MasterStrategist]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You’d trust Davis to catch slants from Allen? 
 

I don’t know. Seems like a lot of mental gymnastics to prop up Davis.

Considering he's done it before, yes I do.  

 

Not as many in the open field, but zone reads in the redzone...Gabe and Diggs both.  Daboll to an extent, but mostly Dorsey had longer developing deep routes.  I think McKenzie commented on this, after Bengals loss.

 

But it just takes watching the games to realize our offense is predicated as a downfield scheme.  Diggs gets moved all over, rest of offense is fairly straightforward.

 

Personally, I like Dorseys scheme (which is mainly Dabolls with more personell groupings & more aggressive).  It's about finding the right balance of being aggressive and taking shorter throws, that's mostly on Josh.  He has outlets/layered options on most playcalls.  

 

Go back and watch LY games, see how many times Josh passes up the easy 5 yard dump offs.  Again, finding the right balance...which he had in Pats/Chiefs playoff games.

Edited May 30, 2023 by MasterStrategist

[HappyDays]

16 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

An ESPN Radio  personality @EShunESPN claims Hopkins is close to an agreement with the Patriots.  The guy does have 13k followers and is a former Colts WR Coach

 

Hopefully that's a false report 

 

Fake account, he does not work for ESPN.

[John from Riverside]

43 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

well the Sabres are a dumpster fire, somehow ownership is never blamed. The Bills you just simply aren’t able to criticize the organization for anything, ownership on down

OK so let’s keep this going
The Sabres haven’t been very good for a long time. I don’t follow hockey, but they seem to want some games last year.

 

On the football side, you’re gonna have to be a little bit more specific on what your gripe is

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Fake account, he does not work for ESPN.

 

Good to know!

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

OK so let’s keep this going
The Sabres haven’t been very good for a long time. I don’t follow hockey, but they seem to want some games last year.

 

On the football side, you’re gonna have to be a little bit more specific on what your gripe is

It's been a long twelve years, but the Sabres are about to be good. They are stacked with young talent. Kevyn Adams needs to make a few astute trades and FA signings to improve blueline depth and a veteran goalie to pair with Levi would be best, but I expect playoffs next year. I've got your interlocutor on ignore. He's only here to stir the pot.

[teef]

49 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

well the Sabres are a dumpster fire, somehow ownership is never blamed. The Bills you just simply aren’t able to criticize the organization for anything, ownership on down

This is the calling card of a terrible poster.  Yes you can criticize this team.  Again, that’s not why people are giving you a hard time

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

the discussion was on WGR & the Buffalo News. Do you listen to WGR? All they do is praise the Bills, then they bring a special guest on, usually just another WGR employee and he praises the Bills. Call with some criticism and you get hung up on

 

The Buffalo News is going through journalists like my wife does shoes. Ask yourself why is that

And you wonder why folks call you Jerry.

 

 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

It's been a long twelve years, but the Sabres are about to be good. They are stacked with young talent. Kevyn Adams needs to make a few astute trades and FA signings to improve blueline depth and a veteran goalie to pair with Levi would be best, but I expect playoffs next year. I've got your interlocutor on ignore. He's only here to stir the pot.

 

It took a few rebuilds to get it right but the Sabres have finally gotten it right. I have said this before, but I expect the Sabres to have a breakout season just like the Devils did last year.

[PrimeTime101]

21 minutes ago, JDubya76 said:

 

I suggest you take a peek in the mirror first. 

[HappyDays]

 

[beebe]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

This is a great example of where stats can be very misleading.  The Bills have had a very good & consistent regular season defense that mostly padded its stats at the expense of bad QB's and weak offenses. In contrast the Defense has mostly struggled against good offenses in the regular season and particularly in the playoffs. 

 

IMO the KC defense is designed to compliment their offense.  It isn't built to shut teams down on the stat line but to force 3 & outs and TO's that give the potent Chiefs O more possessions.

 

There is only one playoff game in the last 4 years that the defense could be said to have won the game and that was against Baltimore.  In every other game except NE, and the O gets the credit for that win, the D has played poorly.  This is 6 out of 8 playoff games which is startling given how well the D plays in the regular season.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the stats i provided are schedule adjusted, meaning buffalo's performance against supposed inferior competition is factored in. in other words, allowing 30 pts and 400 yards vs the chiefs offense is not treated the same as if you allow 30 pts and 400 yards vs the zack wilson jets. one is clearly a far worse outing than the other when adjusted for opponent strength. 

[PrimeTime101]

Oh Boy, I am looking forward to this becoming another 300+ page thread  

[Warriorspikes51]

6 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

the discussion was on WGR & the Buffalo News. Do you listen to WGR? All they do is praise the Bills, then they bring a special guest on, usually just another WGR employee and he praises the Bills. Call with some criticism and you get hung up on

 

The Buffalo News is going through journalists like my wife does shoes. Ask yourself why is that

[JDubya76]

9 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I suggest you take a peek in the mirror first. 

Just did..point?

 

I’m jus keepin it realer 

Edited May 30, 2023 by JDubya76

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

5 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

the discussion was on WGR & the Buffalo News. Do you listen to WGR? All they do is praise the Bills, then they bring a special guest on, usually just another WGR employee and he praises the Bills. Call with some criticism and you get hung up on

 

The Buffalo News is going through journalists like my wife does shoes. Ask yourself why is that

The local media praises a team that went 37-12 the last 3 years!  What a bunch of hacks! I guess they just don't know how to "keep it real".  It must be so frustrating dealing with optimistic fans and media while the Bills only have the second most wins in the NFL over that time frame.  You are very brave to fight against the rose colored propaganda! 

[John from Riverside]

15 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

the discussion was on WGR & the Buffalo News. Do you listen to WGR? All they do is praise the Bills, then they bring a special guest on, usually just another WGR employee and he praises the Bills. Call with some criticism and you get hung up on

 

The Buffalo News is going through journalists like my wife does shoes. Ask yourself why is that

WGR is the flagship station of the Buffalo Bills. If you go to any NFL city and you have a station that is the flag station of the team, they act in exactly the same way.

 

So, once again, I ask, could you please give a specific gripe other than media is nice to the team

[TBBills Fan]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

 

thank god, because we werent gonna work with "Omni Saint"

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, NUT said:

But no SB's

Well, I guess that is everybody’s gripe right and they’re not the best team in football every year

 

I mean, that’s not entitlement or anything

[HappyDays]

35 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

Breer's SI article didn't leave me feeling enthused.  If this has been posted before, apologies...  Here's what Breer's heard from NFL execs:

 

I asked one veteran team executive what’s still there, and he answered, via text, “Not much. He can’t run anymore.” Another answer was pretty different—“He’s still a good player. Good route runner, big, physical target that can play a ball in the air. He’s still a threat.” And a third played both sides of it.

 

 

“Still great hands, he is not going to separate, not much of a deep threat, but very strong, and makes contested catches as well as anyone in the NFL,” the AFC exec said. “Does not love to practice—I can’t imagine that’ll get any better. And when things don’t go well, you’re always gonna be leery, All right, what kind of drama are we gonna get from this guy? When things are great, he’s great. When things go south, his true colors show a little bit.

 

“But he always shows up on game day. He’s gonna have to go to a team that knows what they’re getting. You cannot expect a perfect-attendance type of worker.”

 

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/inside-deandre-hopkins-s-release-why-he-had-no-value-to-teams/ar-AA1bT9cK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3a7b4480e80e426a827b9155715181a8&ei=32

 

More info from that article:

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/05/30/inside-deandre-hopkins-release-options-bills-chiefs

 

Quote

The Cardinals were giving any teams who wanted to talk to Hopkins permission to do so. Two teams that got such permission, the Chiefs and Bills, spoke to Hopkins and Omni, and those two were the only two that engaged Arizona in trade talks. So the interest in giving up a pick or two to get Hopkins was pretty tepid.

 

Kansas City made progress toward a deal, but things went a little sideways when Odell Beckham Jr. got $15 million in base pay from Baltimore, making Hopkins feel like he should land at least that much, given that Beckham didn’t play last year. The Chiefs wound up giving free-agent left tackle Donovan Smith a deal structured similarly to the offer they made Hopkins, which will make it more difficult for Kansas City to circle back.

 

The Bills, similarly, were willing to do a pay-for-play sort of deal loaded with incentives. My feeling is that it leaves them in the same place the Chiefs are with Hopkins—the only way it happens is if his price comes down.

 

[HappyDays]

Yeah I take him hiring an agent as a good sign. It's a sign that he isn't getting the offers he expected so he wants an agent to figure out the best offer he can get. If the Chiefs spent their Hopkins money on Donovan Smith that makes us the front runner.

[Warriorspikes51]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

More info from that article:

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/05/30/inside-deandre-hopkins-release-options-bills-chiefs

 

 

 

"The Bills, similarly, were willing to do a pay-for-play sort of deal loaded with incentives. My feeling is that it leaves them in the same place the Chiefs are with Hopkins—the only way it happens is if his price comes down."


Well, we originally offered Poona Ford a lesser deal, then came back to him and upped the offer enough to get him. He still got less from us than what other teams had offered.

Could we see that type of thing happen here? 

 

Edited May 30, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[transient]

53 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

Breer's SI article didn't leave me feeling enthused.  If this has been posted before, apologies...  Here's what Breer's heard from NFL execs:

 

I asked one veteran team executive what’s still there, and he answered, via text, “Not much. He can’t run anymore.” Another answer was pretty different—“He’s still a good player. Good route runner, big, physical target that can play a ball in the air. He’s still a threat.” And a third played both sides of it.

 

 

“Still great hands, he is not going to separate, not much of a deep threat, but very strong, and makes contested catches as well as anyone in the NFL,” the AFC exec said. “Does not love to practice—I can’t imagine that’ll get any better. And when things don’t go well, you’re always gonna be leery, All right, what kind of drama are we gonna get from this guy? When things are great, he’s great. When things go south, his true colors show a little bit.

 

“But he always shows up on game day. He’s gonna have to go to a team that knows what they’re getting. You cannot expect a perfect-attendance type of worker.”

 

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/inside-deandre-hopkins-s-release-why-he-had-no-value-to-teams/ar-AA1bT9cK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3a7b4480e80e426a827b9155715181a8&ei=32

If you could get the bolded from Gabe you’d be ecstatic.
 

Even if Hopkins isn’t the player he used to be his presence makes everyone else in the WR corps better; he provides someone other than Diggs, which helps Diggs, and he knocks everyone else down a spot making them more effective. 

[Patrick Duffy]

58 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

Uhhh dude you realize hopkins got dumped by Bill Obrien for peanuts you really think he's gonna go play for him again? 

 

I mean I just have a hard time believing it. And the patriots would honestly be one of the least threatening places for him to land.

 

Lol, I'm with ya here.....that's exactly what immediately popped in my mind when I saw that also.

[Bills!Win!]

61 pages. We are 1/5 there 

[Augie]

4 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

He does well once he gets going. He's not that good with short and intermediate routes -- but he also has drops when he is wide open.

 

I hope he has attended the offseason Dawson Knox Advanced School of Catching. That, and maybe watching Kincaid catch everything thrown in his direction will help. 

 

As I’ve said on numerous occasions I expect Gabe Davis to have a solid year, even if he gets fewer reps if we were to sign DHop.  I can live with losing him because he does so well we can no longer afford him. That likely means he had a good year personally which could mean all kinds of great things for the team! 

[boyst]

38 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

WGR is the flagship station of the Buffalo Bills. If you go to any NFL city and you have a station that is the flag station of the team, they act in exactly the same way.

 

So, once again, I ask, could you please give a specific gripe other than media is nice to the team

go listen to the boston station. or go listen to the browns station (atl east 5-10 years ago). those stations rip them apart and are honest.

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

An ESPN Radio  personality @EShunESPN claims Hopkins is close to an agreement with the Patriots.  The guy does have 13k followers and is a former Colts WR Coach

 

Hopefully that's a false report 

LOL, imo, that is not the worst outcome of this.  DeAndre will be horribly wasted with pop gun arm Mac Jones.  Furthermore Mack Jones is a bit of a hot head, not a good mix with a prima donna WR and all eyes will be on the two.  Hopefully they wildly overpay for him.

49 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Sullivan was okay, I didn't love his work but it was nice to have a counter perspective once in awhile

 

when Hopkins signs with KC or a division rival, the latest mouthpieces in Buffalo media will praise the Bills for not going out of their way to sign such a player.

 

And if he signs with Buffalo (unlikely)? they will praise the Bills for taking a chance on such a player

 

 

So no matter what happens, you have your narrative totally covered up.  If they do sign him or if they dont. Yep you seem like a very open minded individual.

 

And Sullivan was ok was he,  ofcourse he was to you, a good match....a total redundant negative personality.

[TheFunPolice]

why would any top WR talent want to go to NE?

 

Easily the worst team in the division, and probably the only one without a QB. 

[TheWeatherMan]

1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said:

why would any top WR talent want to go to NE?

 

Easily the worst team in the division, and probably the only one without a QB. 

$

[Franco_92]

9 minutes ago, boyst said:

go listen to the boston station. or go listen to the browns station (atl east 5-10 years ago). those stations rip them apart and are honest.

Those teams are garbage lol. Ours is elite

[gordong]

1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said:

the Sabres are not “outstanding.” In fact they have the longest playoff drought in American sports. On planet earth that is not usually seen as outstanding 

The sabres have turned the corner now your just being a drama queen. The sabres are setup for long term success...  and have 2 superstars on that team, with the potential of more....   let me guess you wanted them to trade prospects just so that you could feel better this year.