LabattBlue Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) The days of “lets use the summer and training camp to get in shape” are long gone. Anyone who can’t stay in shape and maintain a healthy diet year round with millions of dollars at stake doesn’t deserve to be in the NFL. Hopefully the Bills remember this the next time tub of goo is looking for a new contract. Stay in shape during your playing days and then upon retirement become a fat slob 365 days a year. Edited May 24, 2023 by LabattBlue 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 I'm concerned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent Hulka Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Pete said: What are your insightful thoughts on Poona Ford’s body type? You do understand that athletes come in all shapes and sizes? I understand body fat percentage, and by Sumo wrestling standards, Dawkins is in decent shape. Maybe Beane should forego the draft, and scour Japan for the next starting RT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 13 hours ago, Beck Water said: That's pretty much where I'm at Honest question, Why? Very curious I think its probably known that those guys are gonna shed pounds as they move through Training Camp. Come in a little bulky, turn it into lean muscle while the extra fat is burned off to be at peak weight come week 1? im thinking this is possible 39 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: The days of “lets use the summer and training camp to get in shape” are long gone. Anyone who can’t stay in shape and maintain a healthy diet year round with millions of dollars at stake doesn’t deserve to be in the NFL. Hopefully the Bills remember this the next time tub of goo is looking for a new contract. Stay in shape during your playing days and then upon retirement become a fat slob 365 days a year. Many O linemen shed weight once they are out of the league. Sometimes they have calorie intake requirements and need to maintain the size 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: He’s a tub of goo and highly overrated, imo. Total slob. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Don't need to block a rusher if it takes 3 Ubers and a bus ride to get around you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 His pants are hiked up higher than my Uncle Rays eating pants from 1976. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 @GunnerBill pretty much put this thread to bed. The answer is no - he should not be looking like that. Yes, linemen often show up overweight to OTAs and work their way into shape. But Dion is coming off of his worst full year, a year after missing lots of time, and the injuries have started mounting for him. Plus the line underperformed as a unit and (correct me if I'm wrong) Dion has been a team captain. Showing up obese under all of the circumstances with all that's on the line this season is a bad look. I believe they would've looked closely at LTs in the draft if there had been more depth and I definitely expect them to prioritize upgrading the position next offseason. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 34 minutes ago, Sargent Hulka said: I understand body fat percentage, and by Sumo wrestling standards, Dawkins is in decent shape. Maybe Beane should forego the draft, and scour Japan for the next starting RT. Takanoyama Таканояма Quote Pavel Bojar, known by his Japanese name Takanoyama Shuntarō. The 31-year-old Czech sumo sensation, weighing in at 216 pounds 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 you're right--he needs to get back to this.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 I know he's had weight issues before but is it possibly just the angle and the perspective? He posted this picture from OTAs to his Instagram: 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 He needs gynecomastia surgery. It would change your entire perception of his body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 28 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Takanoyama Таканояма Tochinoshin Tsuyoshi just officially retired last week. The only sumo i’d ever looked up before. Now it seems the Japanese don’t dominate their own sport just like Canadians and hockey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, benderbender said: Tochinoshin Tsuyoshi just officially retired last week. The only sumo i’d ever looked up before. Now it seems the Japanese don’t dominate their own sport just like Canadians and hockey. I spent time in Japan in the early 90's.. Watched a few tournaments on TV. It was fun to watch. Wish I could of attended a match but never did... tickets are tough to come by for the big leagues When I was there the Yukozuma was a Hawaiian https://www.britannica.com/biography/Akebono Quote Akebono, original name Chadwick Haheo Rowan, also called (from 1996) Akebono Tarō, (born May 8, 1969, Waimanalo, Hawaii, U.S.), American-born Japanese sumo wrestler, who, in January 1993, became the first non-Japanese person to be elevated to yokozuna (grand champion) status, the highest rank in professional sumo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Just wait until you guys see what O'Cyrus Torrence looks like... And similar to how landing in cities like Miami, Vegas, LA can be dangerous for Superstar players, I think it can be dangerous for Offensive Lineman to end up in Buffalo sometimes lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 15 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Because peaking too early …it’s a real thing It’s a long NFL season and being in peak shape in June does nothing for November or December mini camp and TC are there to get into football shape at a good pace … No QB wants to have his arm feel the best all year in July …. A quarterback wants to be peak performance in real game time that’s why QBs are on throwing cycles … sometimes they don’t throw for weeks …. And that’s so they don’t peak too early and have their arm prime in the off season they want it prime when it matters it matters how dion looks in october … not May ofc I would assume he’s carrying extra weight … it’s so he will be at his playing weight in September after Mini and training camp if he looks like that after TC… different story but he should trim down Being in good physical condition with proper body composition is wildly different than peaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I know he's had weight issues before but is it possibly just the angle and the perspective? He posted this picture from OTAs to his Instagram: He looks fine. Look at his calves and quads. There's not much extra fat to be seen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 He looks like Majin buu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mango said: Being in good physical condition with proper body composition is wildly different than peaking. Unless you’re a skinny twig like Spencer Brown Every single NFL lineman loses some weight during mini camp and training camp and the season… Football is a grind I used to lose a decent amount of weight during a football season There’s no reason for Dion Dawkins to come in at his actual Sunday game weight in May.., Because he’s going to lose that weight by September… camp gets your body into football shape … lineman lose weight The season is a massive grind …it takes a toll on your body Offensive lineman are literally called big uglies for a reason And he passed the conditioning test Edited May 24, 2023 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Unless you’re a skinny twig like Spencer Brown Every single NFL lineman loses weight during mini camp and training camp and the season… Football is a grind I used to lose a good amount of weight during a football season There’s no reason for Dion Dawkins to come in at his actual Sunday game weight in May.., Because he’s going to lose a lot of weight by September And he’s gonna lose more weight by December The season is a massive grind it takes a toll on your body And he’s clearly not in bad condition because he passed the conditioning drills… If he was unable to practice it would be a problem Offensive lineman are literally called big uglies for a reason So if all OL suffer massive weight loss between OTA’s, training camp, and the regular season, then why aren’t they all ridiculously overweight at this time of year? Sorry…I am not buying what you are selling. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: So if all OL suffer massive weight loss between OTA’s, training camp, and the regular season, then why aren’t they all ridiculously overweight at this time of year? Sorry…I am not buying what you are selling. First of all I never said massive amount I said they lose weight throughout the year… I said I used to lose a good amount of weight during football season And secondly I guarantee most lineman are coming in 15 pounds heavier than they’re playing weight Because you’re going to lose 10 pounds in camp… And maybe another five in the regular season If you play 325 most lineman are coming in at 340 And who says dion is ridiculously overweight? Have you weighed him? All lineman are coming in with extra pounds… Whether you can see it or not Because they’re losing weight throughout the process Edited May 24, 2023 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: First of all I never said massive amount I said they lose weight throughout the year… I said I used to lose a good amount of weight during football season And secondly I guarantee most lineman are coming in 15 pounds heavier than they’re playing weight Because you’re going to lose 10 pounds in camp… And maybe another five in the regular season If you play 325 most lineman are coming in at 340 And who says dion is ridiculously overweight? Have you weighed him? All lineman are coming in with extra pounds… Whether you can see it or not Because they’re losing weight throughout the process I’m curious…how do you know what they weigh now, how much they lose in training camp, and how much they lose in the regular season…unless you work for the Bills, and this is your job? Otherwise, you can’t guarantee(your words not mine) anything. Edited May 24, 2023 by LabattBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: First of all I never said massive amount I said they lose weight throughout the year… I said I used to lose a good amount of weight during football season And secondly I guarantee most lineman are coming in 15 pounds heavier than they’re playing weight Because you’re going to lose 10 pounds in camp… And maybe another five in the regular season If you play 325 most lineman are coming in at 340 And who says dion is ridiculously overweight? Have you weighed him? While I know that is true it is more than that with Dion because he has a history of these fluctuations. It isn't so much the size he is that concerns me, it is whether he can properly control it between now and January. That has been a bigger challenge for Dion than for other OL on the Bills let alone around the league. I hope he can control his weight throughout the year and have a really consistent season because I agree with you at his best he is a top 10-12 type left tackle. But the fans with concerns about his weight are not just overreacting. As I said earlier the Bills have been concerned in the past with his tendency to fulctuate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: I’m curious…how do you know what they weigh now, how much they lose in training camp, and how much they lose in the regular season…unless you work for the Bills, and this is your job? Otherwise, you can’t guarantee(your words not mine) anything. I have no idea how much each player Weighs exactly on the bills But I’ve been in enough locker rooms I played division one football… I’ve coached and scouted "I lose, on average, 10 pounds per practice," Wilkins, who stands 6-foot-4 and typically plays between 310 and 315 pounds, tells me. Quote from an NFL player… I lose 10 pounds per practice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Unless you’re a skinny twig like Spencer Brown Every single NFL lineman loses weight during mini camp and training camp and the season… Football is a grind I used to lose a decent amount of weight during a football season There’s no reason for Dion Dawkins to come in at his actual Sunday game weight in May.., Because he’s going to lose that fat by September… camp gets your body into football shape The season is a massive grind …it takes a toll on your body Offensive lineman are literally called big uglies for a reason And he passed the conditioning test Agree with regard to Spencer Brown. He's pumped up and has talked about how he has had to get up to eat in the middle of the night to maintain bulk. Dawkins is just naturally inclined to get overweight. He's not likely to lose much weight during the season. Spencer Brown will be 240# or less when he retires. Dion will probably be heavier than he is now, IMO. Hopefully his contract year motivation will change that trajectory next offseason but those dudes are not comps on the weight side of things. There are examples of guys who were in the middle..........big and easily capable of carrying weight..........but decided to be healthier and got smaller and that actually diminished their game. Ruben Brown did that. He was a run blocking beast as a 310# rookie. But then he decided to trim down and got as light as 270# and really lost a lot of his ability as a run blocker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 He’s a real throwback. He was working odd jobs all off-season and is using training camp to get in shape. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Just now, BADOLBILZ said: Agree with regard to Spencer Brown. He's pumped up and has talked about how he has had to get up to eat in the middle of the night to maintain bulk. Dawkins is just naturally inclined to get overweight. He's not likely to lose much weight during the season. Spencer Brown will be 240# or less when he retires. Dion will probably be heavier than he is now, IMO. Hopefully his contract year motivation will change that trajectory next offseason but those dudes are not comps on the weight side of things. There are examples of guys who were in the middle..........big and easily capable of carrying weight..........but decided to be healthier and got smaller and that actually diminished their game. Ruben Brown did that. He was a run blocking beast as a 310# rookie. But then he decided to trim down and got as light as 270# and really lost a lot of his ability as a run blocker. My friend was an offensive lineman for the Bengals He played at 310 pounds… Now retired he walks around at 225 … It’s like Eric Woods Weight drop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatixs Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 I think we would have heard from the media if he was round. Must be shadows, angles or Photoshop lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: My friend was an offensive lineman for the Bengals He played at 310 pounds… Now retired he walks around at 225 … It’s like Eric Woods Weight drop Yeah same with Ruben Brown. I heard he was around 230# post career. For the people who just assume that the strength and conditioning people will get the players in the right place so we shouldn't worry about it.........back in the 90's when the Bills also had a revered training staff they still had crazy instances like Ruben Brown deciding to shed 30# or Eric Moulds deciding to add 10# of unnecessary muscle after his great 1998 season. Bad personal decisions that caused immediate drops in their productivity. Ultimately it's up to the players to make smart decisions. Edited May 24, 2023 by BADOLBILZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah same with Ruben Brown. I heard he was around 230# post career. For the people who just assume that the strength and conditioning people will get the players in the right place so we shouldn't worry about it.........back in the 90's when the Bills also had a revered training staff they still had crazy instances like Ruben Brown deciding to shed 30# or Eric Moulds deciding to add 10# of unnecessary muscle after his great 1998 season. Bad personal decisions that caused immediate drops in their productivity. Ultimately it's up to the players to make smart decisions. Of course it is But I would be a lot more mad at Ruben brown dropping 30 pounds… Then Dawkins coming in 15 or 20 pounds overweight Which can be worked on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Billsfanatixs said: I think we would have heard from the media if he was round. Must be shadows, angles or Photoshop lol He's ALWAYS round this time of year. It's not news, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 if you're going to be fat, at least be sassy. fat and sassy isn't a terrible combo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Of course it is But I would be a lot more mad at Ruben brown dropping 30 pounds… Then Dawkins coming in 15 or 20 pounds overweight Which can be worked on Sure he can work on losing weight in camp. Your take seems to be that working on honing his skills during the offseason is irrelevant. Is the work of the same value when it's done at 30# over their playing weight? That goes against everything that is ever said about offseason preparation now. We don't want Josh Allen to not pick up a football all offseason..........we want him to go out and train with Jordan Palmer so he can make himself better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBilliams Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Don't care how he looks. Protect Josh Allen is all I give a ***** about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Sure he can work on losing weight in camp. Your take seems to be that working on honing his skills during the offseason is irrelevant. Is the work of the same value when it's done at 30# over their playing weight? That goes against everything that is ever said about offseason preparation now. We don't want Josh Allen to not pick up a football all offseason..........we want him to go out and train with Jordan Palmer so he can make himself better. I never said honing your skills in the off-season is not important… I’m just of the opinion that a lineman showing up a little overweight… When he always does that… It’s not the biggest issue… To be fair Dion can gain 10-15 pounds… And still do lineman drills in the off-season Is it the best look for Dion? no but it’s not my biggest concern If Dion suddenly can’t block anymore it will be a problem Edited May 24, 2023 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 59 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I have no idea how much each player Weighs exactly on the bills But I’ve been in enough locker rooms I played division one football… I’ve coached and scouted "I lose, on average, 10 pounds per practice," Wilkins, who stands 6-foot-4 and typically plays between 310 and 315 pounds, tells me. Quote from an NFL player… I lose 10 pounds per practice Do you think Dawkins is carrying around 10 extra pounds of water? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Do you think Dawkins is carrying around 10 extra pounds of water? Listen he’s clearly not in the best shape He’s clearly got a nice 15 to 25 pounds extra on him… But he seems to do this every off-season And he always gets into playing shape The one position I don’t freak out with in May… When they come in overweight… is o line … Let’s see how dawkins looks at the end of training camp Edited May 24, 2023 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Listen he’s clearly not in the best shape He’s clearly got a nice 15 to 25 pounds extra on him… But he seems to do this every off-season And he always gets into playing shape The one position I don’t freak out with in May… When they come in overweight… is o line … Let’s see how dawkins looks at the end of training camp I get that there are still 3 or 4 months before the season starts so things have time to dramatically improve. But OTOH Dawkins’ weight and conditioning have been an issue in the past and it did seem to be an issue last season. This season he looks to be in the worst shape he’s ever been in as Bill. The possible impact of that on Allen’s health and the Bills’ season is a legitimate concern IMO. Again, the season doesn’t start tomorrow, but this bears watching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I get that there are still 3 or 4 months before the season starts so things have time to dramatically improve. But OTOH Dawkins’ weight and conditioning have been an issue in the past and it did seem to be an issue last season. This season he looks to be in the worst shape he’s ever been in as Bill. The possible impact of that on Allen’s health and the Bills’ season is a legitimate concern IMO. Again, the season doesn’t start tomorrow, but this bears watching. Dion Dawkins was more than fine last season … By the end of the season he was really good They don’t make guys that size that move that quickly Edited May 24, 2023 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: He was really good by the end of the season? I suggest you rewatch the Bengals game…. Yea I know everyone sucked, but Dawkins was particularly awful. Everybody suck that last game Week 9 through January Dion playing good football He always gets better as the season Progresses I’m not calling him an all pro but he is the best tackle we have by far Edited May 24, 2023 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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