CBS 2023 QB Power Rankings

[Big Blitz]

Mahomes

Allen

 

Everyone else you won’t automatically turn on the TV for if they’re playing.   
 

Not letting any recency bias interfere.   
 

 

Allen has had NOTHING CLOSE to the weapons Burrow, Tua, Hurts, and even Herbert have had.  Those guys have elite olines and elite WRs and RBs.  

[ganesh]

A ranking list in the off season is pretty meaningless other than to list the starting QBs of the 32 teams.

[Success]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Until Josh beats Burrow, he should remain 3. But you have to factor in Burrow's 2 receivers.  For now I'd put Hurts at 4.  Herbert has to prove he can win a playoff game and after 2 playoff games, Lawrence's ratingis only 72.  Rodgers is too high and Tua is too low.  Pickett is also too low.

 

Josh doesn't play Burrow.  He plays against Cincy's D, and Burrow plays against the Bills D.

 

[folz]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Until Josh beats Burrow, he should remain 3. But you have to factor in Burrow's 2 receivers.  For now I'd put Hurts at 4.  Herbert has to prove he can win a playoff game and after 2 playoff games, Lawrence's ratingis only 72.  Rodgers is too high and Tua is too low.  Pickett is also too low.

 

You do realize that they have only played each other once right? One game is hardly a reason to have one QB over another. Now if Burrow was 3-0 or 4-0 against Josh (and his stats were always better), maybe you'd have a case, but he's not. He's 1-0. And we all know that Josh had a bad game vs. Cincy in the playoffs (the whole team did), and yet here are their stats for that game:

 

[combined yds and TDs]

Burrow 273 yards 2 TDs 0 INTs

Allen 290 yards 1 TD 1 INT

Not a huge difference.

 

And you can hardly use the Damar game as any type of decider (or count it as an automatic Burrow/Cincy win, as many seem to do). Josh had thrown a total of 6 passes and Burrow a total of 4 passes when the game was called.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Derek Carr is way too low.

5 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Mahomes

Allen

 

Everyone else you won’t automatically turn on the TV for if they’re playing.   
 

Not letting any recency bias interfere.   
 

 

Allen has had NOTHING CLOSE to the weapons Burrow, Tua, Hurts, and even Herbert have had.  Those guys have elite olines and elite WRs and RBs.  

 

Actually Herbert is a must watch tv guy for me too. I don't think he is as good as Mahomes, Allen or Burrow but his games always seem to have drama. 

[Doc Brown]

I always view the QB position as who gives d-coordinators nightmares at night because of their skill set.  Not their surrounding weapons.

1.)  Mahomes

2.)  Allen

3.)  Burrow

4.)  Herbert

5.)  Lamar 

6.)  Rodgers

7.)  Hurts

8.)  Lawrence

9.)  Murray (when healthy)

10.)  Stafford (when healthy)

[PatsFanNH]

18 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Hurts and Burrow have more quality offensive weapons. They have better O lines, yes O lineman are weapons as well.

 

And dare I say the Bengals and Eagles have better coaching as well.

 

Mahomes and Allen are the top all around QBs regarding skillset. 

 

Passing/Accuracy/Rushing/

Evasiveness/Awareness/Toughness/Durability/Strength/Leadership/

Intelligence. 

 

They may not be the best in all traits but unlike the other QBS they uber competent in all of them.

 

Of course it's JMHO.

 Burrow has better weapons than Allen, but come on man his line has almost gotten him killed every year! That O be downright scary if he had an O line! 
 

Coaching is subjective, and everyone thinks their coach is not that good unless he wins the SB. 
 

Mahomes, Allen, and Burrows are the top 3 QBs in whatever order you like. Hurt is a one year wonder right now. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

22 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2023-nfl-qb-power-rankings-lamar-jackson-aaron-rodgers-both-crack-top-10-in-first-rundown-of-all-32-starters/

 

I can certainly quibble with some of the rankings, but that isn’t what was so surprising. What really shocks me is not how bad that list gets, but how quickly it gets so bad.

 

Analytics sites often stress the importance of having a top 8 QB in the league - or even a QB capable of being in the top 8 some years. That list very vividly illustrates why that is. I’m not sure there are more than 8 QBs in this league I’d want. It also shows you why Baltimore paid what they did for Lamar and why even the Geno Smiths and Daniel Joneses of the league get paid so well. Yikes. 

 

Note: Yes, I’m ecstatic that we are lucky enough to have one of those top QBs. 

When it comes to Lamar...there are a lot of people that say he's not a top 10 QB in the NFL. Thing is, he is...but it has a lot more to do with the level of QB play than it does about his skill to play QB. 

 

That list has Watson at 10. Personal opinion about the person aside, what did he show as a player last year (after being moth balled the previous year) that even suggests he's in the convo for top 20 QBs? He was awful.

 

Danny Dimes threw a whopping 15 TDs was it last year? Yet he's on the list as above the middle of the pack. I don't think there has been a period of mediocre starting QBs in the NFL like this in a long time. 

[HappyDays]

Lol Brock Purdy 12th. I bet the author of this article bets divisional road favorites 100% of the time. "It's like free money!"

[78thealltimegreat]

On 5/5/2023 at 12:25 PM, Goin Breakdown said:

But  is Hurts really better than Allen or is it recency bias?  

Just recency bias Hurts had the number 1 oline in football and Allen had the 26th 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

On 5/6/2023 at 12:41 AM, Doc Brown said:

I always view the QB position as who gives d-coordinators nightmares at night because of their skill set.  Not their surrounding weapons.

1.)  Mahomes

2.)  Allen

3.)  Burrow

4.)  Herbert

5.)  Lamar 

6.)  Rodgers

7.)  Hurts

8.)  Lawrence

9.)  Murray (when healthy)

10.)  Stafford (when healthy)

 

This is a pretty solid list. Probably closely aligns with my top 10. Lamar should come with a (when healthy) tag as well. But when he is healthy, he slots somewhere around 5.  Rodgers is TBD. He could be top 3 still or fall out of the top 10. I'm betting he is closer to top three, but we will see. 

On 5/6/2023 at 6:49 AM, PatsFanNH said:

 Burrow has better weapons than Allen, but come on man his line has almost gotten him killed every year! That O be downright scary if he had an O line! 

 

He's got a couple good pieces on the o-line but they've been injured. When fully healthy the chargers o-line is probably better than the Bills, but that seems to be far and few in between. 

[Tanoros]

On 5/5/2023 at 11:06 AM, PatsFanNH said:

Stop listening to delusional Pats fans! IMO O’Brien will hopefully correct what went terribly wrong last year and hopefully a small jump from his rookie year.. (which would be a huge leap.. from 2022 lol) 

 

I think he is probably closer to 20 than 29 like this ranking has… putting QBS up that high who haven’t played a down seems silly IMO. 

I agree, it looks silly putting qb’s who haven’t played a down in the NFL above ones who have. No one knows how they will preform and more often than not rookie qb’s struggle. That alone is enough to realize this list is based on part performance and part popularity/name recognition. 

[Albany,n.y.]

Wow! Once you get past the top 10, there aren't a lot of good QBs left.  2/3 of the league's teams should be looking to upgrade. 

[BADOLBILZ]

On 5/6/2023 at 1:13 PM, HappyDays said:

Lol Brock Purdy 12th. I bet the author of this article bets divisional road favorites 100% of the time. "It's like free money!"

 

 

Yeah maybe Purdy is the real deal but he really caught the league by surprise.    It would seem to me that if you are an opponent you want to force Purdy to make more big time throws this season.   

[Dr.Sack]

Allen needs to play a full season like he did against the Rams and Titans. 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

On 5/5/2023 at 1:46 PM, Captain Hindsight said:

seems high

 

The ranking or the author of the article? 

[Gugny]

I think these rankings are, overall, pretty bad … but seeing Baker at 30 made me smile. 

[90sBills]

On 5/6/2023 at 7:03 AM, BuffaloBillyG said:

When it comes to Lamar...there are a lot of people that say he's not a top 10 QB in the NFL. Thing is, he is...but it has a lot more to do with the level of QB play than it does about his skill to play QB. 

 

That list has Watson at 10. Personal opinion about the person aside, what did he show as a player last year (after being moth balled the previous year) that even suggests he's in the convo for top 20 QBs? He was awful.

 

Danny Dimes threw a whopping 15 TDs was it last year? Yet he's on the list as above the middle of the pack. I don't think there has been a period of mediocre starting QBs in the NFL like this in a long time. 

Not sure if Lamar is a top 10 qb but he is definitely a top 3 rb. 

[Cray51]

8 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Allen needs to play a full season like he did against the Rams and Titans. 

Then he puts up the greatest QB season ever.

 

You are talking about 5700 total yards and 68 touchdowns from him.  That would be the single best season in history for almost any player ever.

[eball]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

I think these rankings are, overall, pretty bad … but seeing Baker at 30 made me smile. 

 

When it comes to QBs I think a “tier” ranking system makes more sense.  I think there are only four QBs right now I would build a franchise around without question:  Mahomes, Josh, Burrow, and Herbert.  Rodgers is out because of age, and Hurts is still a question mark for me.

 

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, eball said:

 

When it comes to QBs I think a “tier” ranking system makes more sense.  I think there are only four QBs right now I would build a franchise around without question:  Mahomes, Josh, Burrow, and Herbert.  Rodgers is out because of age, and Hurts is still a question mark for me.

 

 

Agree tiers work better and argue among yourselves within tiers. Personally not sure Herbert belongs with the other 3 though. He is more in the Hurts club just below.

[Bobby Hooks]

I could quibble a bit here, but fact is, the Bills have the most exciting qb in the league. 
 

Being anywhere close to top 5 was dream potential in the 20 year drought. So I’ll just take it and look forward to next season. With that said, If it was my list he’s #2 and it not just the homer in me. 
 

There’s not one thing that Burrow and Hurts can do that Allen can’t, the same cannot be said for them. 

Edited May 8, 2023 by Bobby Hooks

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

If there were bets on who likely will improve the most, of the QB's rated in bottom half, I'd put my money on R Wilson.  Not that I really think he will be better, but just that he's the one bottom rated QB that at one time was really good, probably top 5 rated in past.  So for that would bet on him as he's the one guy who has played at top level now rated low.

 

Do agree too, Allen should be ahead of Hurts

[ganesh]

5 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said:

I could quibble a bit here, but fact is, the Bills have the most exciting qb in the league. 
 

Being anywhere close to top 5 was dream potential in the 20 year drought. So I’ll just take it and look forward to next season. With that said, If it was my list he’s #2 and it not just the homer in me. 
 

There’s not one thing that Burrow and Hurts can do that Allen can’t, the same cannot be said for them. 

Allen definitely ranks poor in turnovers compared to both Burrow and Hurt.   In the recently concluded playoffs,  Allen had 3 TDs, 3 INTs and 3 Fumbles (1 Lost).   In the playoffs, 

These turnovers or potential fumbles (that causes loss of yards) are back breakers in the playoffs where field position is so critical. 

 

I agree with you that Allen is the MOST EXCITING QB to watch in the league and he is the best QB for the Bills.  He will have to elevate his game to beat Mahomes, Hurts and Burrows on the way to winning a SB.

[CincyBillsFan]

47 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Allen definitely ranks poor in turnovers compared to both Burrow and Hurt.   In the recently concluded playoffs,  Allen had 3 TDs, 3 INTs and 3 Fumbles (1 Lost).   In the playoffs, 

These turnovers or potential fumbles (that causes loss of yards) are back breakers in the playoffs where field position is so critical. 

 

I agree with you that Allen is the MOST EXCITING QB to watch in the league and he is the best QB for the Bills.  He will have to elevate his game to beat Mahomes, Hurts and Burrows on the way to winning a SB.

Funny how praising Allen on a Bills message board gets posts like this in reply.  Seems odd to me.

 

And for the record if you're going to count Allen's one lost fumble how about counting his one rushing TD? That gives him 4 TD's and 4 TO's.

 

And what about Allen's 2021 playoff run?

 

And in Hurts one playoff game during the 2021 season he had 1 TD and 2 INT's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Funny how praising Allen on a Bills message board gets posts like this in reply.  Seems odd to me.

 

And for the record if you're going to count Allen's one lost fumble how about counting his one rushing TD? That gives him 4 TD's and 4 TO's.

 

And what about Allen's 2021 playoff run?

 

And in Hurts one playoff game during the 2021 season he had 1 TD and 2 INT's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is not about whether Allen is better than Burrow or Hurts.  I want Allen to win a SB for the Bills.  We will always judge Allen against that as he has all the capabilities to win the big one.   His 2022 playoff record was poor. We scraped through Miami and then laid a egg at home against the Bengals.  He had a great 2021 playoffs and still fell short (for things outside his scope).   What is wrong in praising the man and at the same time criticizing him so that we can get a better Allen that will lift the Lombardi one day!

[PBF81]

7 of the top 8 in the AFC, w face 7 of the other top 9 besides Allen in 8 of our games, 5 of those on the road.  

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Funny how praising Allen on a Bills message board gets posts like this in reply.  Seems odd to me.

 

And for the record if you're going to count Allen's one lost fumble how about counting his one rushing TD? That gives him 4 TD's and 4 TO's.

 

And what about Allen's 2021 playoff run?

 

And in Hurts one playoff game during the 2021 season he had 1 TD and 2 INT's.  

 

It's out defense that's the reason for our playoff losses.  In our last three playoff losses or D has allowed 27, 42, & 38 points.  It's not reasonable to expect your offense to have to put up 40-some points to win the game.  

 

This past season, of 13 playoff games, only one team scored more than 38.  Only two scored more than 35.  

 

In 2021, only one team allowed more than the 42 we allowed to the Chiefs, the Pats allowed 47 to us.  We and the Steelers allowed 42 to the Chiefs.  No other team allowed more than 34 besides the Chiefs to us.  

 

In 2020, only one team allowed more than the 38 we allowed to the Chiefs, the Steelers again allowed 48 in the WC round and in the same game the Browns allowed 37 to the Steelers.  Other than that, in the other 12 games the max points allowed was 32.  

 

We have two different defenses, a regular season defense which is good, and a playoff defense which isn't good.  

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

9 hours ago, ganesh said:

It is not about whether Allen is better than Burrow or Hurts.  I want Allen to win a SB for the Bills.  We will always judge Allen against that as he has all the capabilities to win the big one.   His 2022 playoff record was poor. We scraped through Miami and then laid a egg at home against the Bengals.  He had a great 2021 playoffs and still fell short (for things outside his scope).   What is wrong in praising the man and at the same time criticizing him so that we can get a better Allen that will lift the Lombardi one day!

Criticizing Allen for things beyond his control is wrong.

 

Criticizing Allen for things that are contributing only a small amount to their playoff defeats while ignoring much bigger problems like:  horrible O line play, weak defensive performances and the lack of offensive play makers, is wrong.

 

Sure, Allen can get better.  But IMO the degree to which Allen's improvements gets us closer to a SB win is very small compared to other things that this team can do to get better.  If over the next 3 years Allen basically replicates his last 3 seasons and the Bills significantly improve the O line and add another play maker Buffalo will win a SB.  If Allen improves but the Bills don't improve their O line or add another true play maker they will continue to exit the playoffs before the Super Bowl. 

 

The problem is not REMOTELY related to Allen.  Allen is the reason the Bills are in the mix for a SB win every season.