SoCal Deek Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 hours ago, BaaadThingsMan said: Thanks Jurrah. Jerry Jones forced this on Pegula and Pegs just rolled over for belly scratches. Now the average fan will be forced out by the prices. A buddy of mine, RIP Zach, was a 30 year season ticket holder and would have been one of the many who won't be able to afford them for the new place. I’m not sure I agree. The price of tickets is more related to the price people are willing to pay for them than it is to the price of the stadium itself. I mean what’s to keep the Bills from raising prices now, in the ‘old’ stadium? It’s not like there’s another place that a WNY fan can go see an NFL game. And what good does it do the team to play in an empty new stadium? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 52 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: They are in a hard spot. Either build a new stadium and price some people out or the team moves. They could have NOT decreased number of seats and designed it adding less expensive seats reserved for previous season ticket owners but they are trying to force scarcity by reducing number of ticket. I wish Jerry would have tried that model on his stadium first. Since the Bills are not paying for stadium but just leasing it the Erie County Stadium Corporation should have not accepted that design and should have mandated larger stadium. Since NFL no longer blacks out seats there is no issue it "extra" seats are not sold other than cost of extra sections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 13 hours ago, mrags said: I might argue with that. The first row in the sidelines may not be as low as the current stadium. I’m sure they would rather have some more space away from fans right on top of the players while on sideline. As well as it is likely better for the fans to be up 5’ compared to what it currently is now. The first few rows have a hard time seeing the action over the players on the sidelines as it is. End zones are likely free game and will be just as low. And from what I have seen they will offer field level seating in at least one end zone. There’s quite a few stadiums that have them. That's great. You're not arguing with anything. Just speculating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 36 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: That's great. You're not arguing with anything. Just speculating. Touché 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 hours ago, Punching Bag said: They could have NOT decreased number of seats and designed it adding less expensive seats reserved for previous season ticket owners but they are trying to force scarcity by reducing number of ticket. I wish Jerry would have tried that model on his stadium first. Since the Bills are not paying for stadium but just leasing it the Erie County Stadium Corporation should have not accepted that design and should have mandated larger stadium. Since NFL no longer blacks out seats there is no issue it "extra" seats are not sold other than cost of extra sections. With very exceptions the days of super large stadiums have pretty much gone extinct. The movement is towards a better experience with a smaller capacity. And that’s all because of the television contracts you cite. This isn’t difficult to understand. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 2/16/2024 at 11:06 AM, Bob Jones said: They want to be sure to leave enough room for a running track in there, then if the Bills ever leave they can have track & field events! 😉 Soccer actually 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: With very exceptions the days of super large stadiums have pretty much gone extinct. The movement is towards a better experience with a smaller capacity. And that’s all because of the television contracts you cite. This isn’t difficult to understand. Right. By doing this, they also allow themselves to keep ticket prices high as it’s more limited than it’s always been 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 42 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Soccer actually I said the same thing but people would rather do some bitchin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 40 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I said the same thing but people would rather do some bitchin That is a provident right being a Bills fan whether it is rational or not; carrying a torch is optional but still not allowed to be used on players' properties as done in past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 hours ago, mrags said: Right. By doing this, they also allow themselves to keep ticket prices high as it’s more limited than it’s always been With that logic why not limit seating to 30,000? It’s a balancing act just like it is for other businesses that rely on seating….like restaurants, movie theaters, etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: With that logic why not limit seating to 30,000? It’s a balancing act just like it is for other businesses that rely on seating….like restaurants, movie theaters, etc Like you said. Balancing act. Can’t just have 10,000 fans at the game. But like you said, the days of 100k stadiums are over. Tv is better. Experiences at the stadium is what will bring people going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: With that logic why not limit seating to 30,000? It’s a balancing act just like it is for other businesses that rely on seating….like restaurants, movie theaters, etc The difference is other businesses do not have a LIMITED monopoly and it is time for congress to reinvestigate whether it still makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 7 hours ago, Punching Bag said: The difference is other businesses do not have a LIMITED monopoly and it is time for congress to reinvestigate whether it still makes sense. You want Congress to investigate the NFL? For what exactly? The NFL, like other sports leagues, operates somewhat differently from other business models, for sure, but they still exist in a basic capitalist environment. I suggest you think of the NFL as a chain of franchised restaurants; not as 32 separate, competing restaurants. And while it might seem that they have a monopoly in a specific location, that's also not true. For example, just a few years ago, the LA market had no teams, and now the 'Corporate Office' decided that they would have two. As we've seen, Teams not unlike franchise restaurants, are opening and closing locations quite regularly based on the perceived market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/16/2024 at 10:56 AM, LabattBlue said: “Closer”? Why then is the 1st row of seats in the lower bowl ~15-20’ farther away from the field? They're tired of @CountryCletus throwing beaver pelts at the field after every score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 9 hours ago, Punching Bag said: The difference is other businesses do not have a LIMITED monopoly and it is time for congress to reinvestigate whether it still makes sense. Must… Resist… Comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 9 hours ago, Punching Bag said: The difference is other businesses do not have a LIMITED monopoly and it is time for congress to reinvestigate whether it still makes sense. First, you want Congress to do something? Congress??? Second, no one is stopping others from launching a rival league to the NFL. Anyone with a spare trillion can do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: First, you want Congress to do something? Congress??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 55 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: First, you want Congress to do something? Congress??? Second, no one is stopping others from launching a rival league to the NFL. Anyone with a spare trillion can do it. The funny thing is there IS A RIVAL LEAGUE that we should be supporting. And it's really fun. But I think the majority of NFL fans aren't true FOOTBALL fans. They don't watch anything but the NFL and maybe just their own college team. They're fans of the brand. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 15 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: The funny thing is there IS A RIVAL LEAGUE that we should be supporting. And it's really fun. But I think the majority of NFL fans aren't true FOOTBALL fans. They don't watch anything but the NFL and maybe just their own college team. They're fans of the brand. So if you don’t want to watch the WFL/USFL/XFL etc…, you aren’t a “true” football fan? Okay football super fan. How is the view from your pedestal? Edited February 19 by LabattBlue 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: The funny thing is there IS A RIVAL LEAGUE that we should be supporting. And it's really fun. But I think the majority of NFL fans aren't true FOOTBALL fans. They don't watch anything but the NFL and maybe just their own college team. They're fans of the brand. it's not a rival league. It's made of players who can't play in the NFL. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 33 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: So if you don’t want to watch the WFL/USFL/XFL etc…, you aren’t a “true” football fan? Okay football super fan. How is the view from your pedestal? It's great! I get to watch more football than you lowly peasants. 32 minutes ago, nucci said: it's not a rival league. It's made of players who can't play in the NFL. Well, how do you think a league can work itself up to become a rival? It's not going to get there immediately. But, alas, that's the world that casual "football fans" live in .... The other poster complained about the NFL having a monopoly and wants the government to step in, but then doesn't even support the up-and-coming league. Just stupid. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 4 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: It's great! I get to watch more football than you lowly peasants. Well, how do you think a league can work itself up to become a rival? It's not going to get there immediately. But, alas, that's the world that casual "football fans" live in .... The other poster complained about the NFL having a monopoly and wants the government to step in, but then doesn't even support the up-and-coming league. Just stupid. The original USFL was a rival league immediately because they signed star players and great college players. They had Kelly, Young, Herschel Walker.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, nucci said: The original USFL was a rival league immediately because they signed star players and great college players. They had Kelly, Young, Herschel Walker.... Obviously that was a different time and economic environment for the leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 I'll be honest, I *want* a spring league. If Buffalo picked one up, I would try to watch. I followed the Destroyers for chrissake! It's not as good, but when I am in football withdrawal in March-June I take what I can get 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, nucci said: it's not a rival league. It's made of players who can't play in the NFL. Can't play or not given a true opportunity due to draft status or lack there of? USFL in the early 80's and we were told they couldn't play in the NFL either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: The funny thing is there IS A RIVAL LEAGUE that we should be supporting. And it's really fun. But I think the majority of NFL fans aren't true FOOTBALL fans. They don't watch anything but the NFL and maybe just their own college team. They're fans of the brand. What color is the sky in your world? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 The latest step in the process, STH's will now have a second account executive to deal with for the new stadium, different than their current account rep. Just got this email... Quote Dear Jack, Thank you for being a loyal Buffalo Bills Season Ticket Member! I'm excited to introduce you to Natalie Diable, your dedicated new stadium Account Executive who will guide you every step of the way on the journey to the New Highmark Stadium. While your new stadium Account Executive will answer all questions related to the new stadium, I will continue to be your point of contact for your season tickets at the current stadium. Natalie Diable will reach out with a direct introduction via email later this week, but in the meantime contact information is also listed below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Just Jack said: The latest step in the process, STH's will now have a second account executive to deal with for the new stadium, different than their current account rep. Just got this email... These guys work for Legends, not the Bills. Canr wait to see the PSL!!! Edited February 27 by plenzmd1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Chiefs will be releasing their renovation renderings tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Chiefs will be releasing their renovation renderings tomorrow. I wonder if their renderings will be more than a pic of some “freeze baby” banners? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockpile233 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, Just Jack said: The latest step in the process, STH's will now have a second account executive to deal with for the new stadium, different than their current account rep. Just got this email... Prices are finally incoming if they have the sales team mobilized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, Just Jack said: The latest step in the process, STH's will now have a second account executive to deal with for the new stadium, different than their current account rep. Just got this email... 14 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said: Prices are finally incoming if they have the sales team mobilized. Same here. Let's hope they keep things somewhat reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) This article helps clear up one question on PSLs, how they will be paid... What Bills season ticket holders need to know about PSLs (spectrumlocalnews.com) Basically... 1) Pay in full immediately 2) Pay over the next two years 3) Pay over 10 years with a loan from M&T Thanks to @Hammered a Lot for the link to the article. Edited February 28 by Just Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 imagine getting a 10 year loan with interest to buy football tickets 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 7 minutes ago, nucci said: imagine getting a 10 year loan with interest to buy football tickets To pay for THE RIGHT to buy tickets....🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, Virgil said: To pay for THE RIGHT to buy tickets....🤦♂️ right...amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 21 minutes ago, nucci said: imagine getting a 10 year loan with interest to buy football tickets That's just your PSL fee. Paying for your season tickets is a different payment. You know that saying about **** runs downhill. Guess who is at the bottom of the hill. Enjoy these next few seasons at the current stadium before being financially robbed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 6 minutes ago, Gregg said: That's just your PSL fee. Paying for your season tickets is a different payment. You know that saying about **** runs downhill. Guess who is at the bottom of the hill. Enjoy these next few seasons at the current stadium before being financially robbed. I’m really curious to see if small market western NY, and the new high prices, will yield sellouts for all the games in the new stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 23 hours ago, Just Jack said: The latest step in the process, STH's will now have a second account executive to deal with for the new stadium, different than their current account rep. Just got this email... Thanks Jack. I’ll have to check my email as well. Told everyone a while ago this would be happening. About 6-9 months late. But it’s happening as I previously stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 5 minutes ago, Bob Jones said: I’m really curious to see if small market western NY, and the new high prices, will yield sellouts for all the games in the new stadium. The Bills better have a really good team on the field if they want sellouts at those prices. I can tell you that PSL's were a disaster for the Giants and Jets. It didn't help that both teams have mostly sucked for the past 10 years or so. So many season ticket holders dropped their seasons and just purchase individual game tickets to avoid the PSL fee. The Bills should expect many of their fans to do the same thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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