Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

[LabattBlue]

If I had to guess, the waiting list will dry up quick as they along with a large portion of current STH will be fighting over the seats with the most reasonable prices and PSL’s.  So where will the market come from for the most expensive seats and outrageous PSL’s?  Only time will tell, but worst case scenario, the seats that they struggle with the most to sell, will at some point see reduced PSL costs.   

[Awwufelloff]

5 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

If I had to guess, the waiting list will dry up quick as they along with a large portion of current STH will be fighting over the seats with the most reasonable prices and PSL’s.  So where will the market come from for the most expensive seats and outrageous PSL’s?  Only time will tell, but worst case scenario, the seats that they struggle with the most to sell, will at some point see reduced PSL costs.   

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[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

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ho many seasons are owned by them now?  How many more will buy if there’s added cost of PSL?  
 

probably not a large number of seats owned by corporations.  

[Jrb1979]

15 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

If I had to guess, the waiting list will dry up quick as they along with a large portion of current STH will be fighting over the seats with the most reasonable prices and PSL’s.  So where will the market come from for the most expensive seats and outrageous PSL’s?  Only time will tell, but worst case scenario, the seats that they struggle with the most to sell, will at some point see reduced PSL costs.   

I don't see them reducing costs. I see them following Jacksonville and putting one home game a year in London to make up for it. 

[Wacka]

 

[mrags]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

ho many seasons are owned by them now?  How many more will buy if there’s added cost of PSL?  
 

probably not a large number of seats owned by corporations.  

A lot of corporations and businesses now can afford boxes/suites. At approx 80k a year. You’ll see those smaller businesses pick up covered club seats instead.

 

from the survey I remember 3 different options. One was for general seating. Another for club seats. And another for box. But when you input club seats there were multiple levels of seating. 
 

im 100% positive they are going to offer some really cool seating arrangements at the club level or above. Like small sections just for your seats. Add in sofas and stuff like that. I don’t know what to expect but they will be offering more than just the standard seat we have now. 

16 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I don't see them reducing costs. I see them following Jacksonville and putting one home game a year in London to make up for it. 

Yeah. Same. You don’t see proves come down almost anywhere for anything. Cars/trucks aren’t getting cheaper, neither is groceries or eating out at a restaurant. Prices aren’t going down 

[Punching Bag]

40 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

If I had to guess, the waiting list will dry up quick as they along with a large portion of current STH will be fighting over the seats with the most reasonable prices and PSL’s.  So where will the market come from for the most expensive seats and outrageous PSL’s?  Only time will tell, but worst case scenario, the seats that they struggle with the most to sell, will at some point see reduced PSL costs.   

 

Most of the more expensive seats will be sold by ticket broker and travel agency partners who will sell them to out of town fans packaged with other things.

[Punching Bag]

25 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I don't see them reducing costs. I see them following Jacksonville and putting one home game a year in London to make up for it. 

 

Since the hardest seats to sell are December and games in Europe are held during early part of year that does not make sense.

It makes sense for a Florida team.

[Awwufelloff]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

Since the hardest seats to sell are December and games in Europe are held during early part of year that does not make sense.

It makes sense for a Florida team.

Which coincides to my favorite time to go. Absolutely love snow games

[Punching Bag]

16 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

Which coincides to my favorite time to go. Absolutely love snow games

 

I can understand it if you have hair like Ryan Fitzpatrick or extra layers like an offense lineman but I am lacking both and have poor circulation in my feet which would result in me being unable to walk back from my seat after game.  I hope the Bills have done their market projects correctly and have no escape clauses in lease for poor attendance.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

A lot of corporations and businesses now can afford boxes/suites. At approx 80k a year. You’ll see those smaller businesses pick up covered club seats instead.

 

from the survey I remember 3 different options. One was for general seating. Another for club seats. And another for box. But when you input club seats there were multiple levels of seating. 
 

im 100% positive they are going to offer some really cool seating arrangements at the club level or above. Like small sections just for your seats. Add in sofas and stuff like that. I don’t know what to expect but they will be offering more than just the standard seat we have now. 

Yeah. Same. You don’t see proves come down almost anywhere for anything. Cars/trucks aren’t getting cheaper, neither is groceries or eating out at a restaurant. Prices aren’t going down 

 

I have the sofa option at home lol

[cba fan]

On 5/4/2023 at 2:34 PM, NickelCity said:

Where are the best up to date renderings? 

2 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

Which coincides to my favorite time to go. Absolutely love snow games

well....Bills have about one real home snow game every 30 years or so. 

 

Colts was last. Jets and Browns games were moved. 

 

sorry your experience is going to be few and far between. Good luck though.

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, cba fan said:

well....Bills have about one real home snow game every 30 years or so. 

 

Colts was last. Jets and Browns games were moved. 

 

sorry your experience is going to be few and far between. Good luck though.

Dude it’s snows a lot more than one game every 30 years

 

and it’s football weather 

 

Growing up you used to be able to shovel snow out of the Ralph yearly for tickets…

 

We had a blizzard last year that’s not a regular snow event

Edited May 7, 2023 by Buffalo716

[PrimeTime101]

On 5/4/2023 at 2:33 PM, Mr. WEO said:

Define “immediately “

Na' I will let you do it  

[PBF81]

5 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

I can understand it if you have hair like Ryan Fitzpatrick or extra layers like an offense lineman but I am lacking both and have poor circulation in my feet which would result in me being unable to walk back from my seat after game.  I hope the Bills have done their market projects correctly and have no escape clauses in lease for poor attendance.

 

Boy, that's a very interesting proposition.  I wouldn't have thought of that.  I'll search it for attendance when I have a little time.  I hadn't thought of that, but that makes sense, particularly since the stadium opens and Allen's first season will be when he's 31.  

 

 

[LabattBlue]

21 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Boy, that's a very interesting proposition.  I wouldn't have thought of that.  I'll search it for attendance when I have a little time.  I hadn't thought of that, but that makes sense, particularly since the stadium opens and Allen's first season will be when he's 31.  

 

 

Allen will be 30 when stadium opens in 2026. 

[PBF81]

8 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Allen will be 30 when stadium opens in 2026. 

 

The most recent piece said it was opening now in 2027, that was after the County signed off.  Also, the clauses allowing for lease extensions, as a series of 1-year extensions, have provisions through 2028.  

 

We have to remember, the estimate for 2026 was made when they said that the digging and construction was supposed to have begun during last season.  That obviously didn't happen, and  has been pushed 8 or 9 months, so 2027 sounds quite reasonable.  

 

If you're interested, look for the recent articles about the County signing off, I saw it in at least two places.  

 

 

[PBF81]

23 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Allen will be 30 when stadium opens in 2026. 

 

BTW, here's a timeline piece in the BN.  

 

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/a-timeline-of-the-new-buffalo-bills-stadium-deal/article_d1252c88-eaa2-11ed-a114-8beedb569797.html

 

Sounds as if the stadium will be open to the public, perhaps to help sell PSLs and STs, but not ready for play until 2027.  

 

That's not the piece that I saw it in, but that's one.  

 

 

[LabattBlue]

25 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

The most recent piece said it was opening now in 2027, that was after the County signed off.  Also, the clauses allowing for lease extensions, as a series of 1-year extensions, have provisions through 2028.  

 

We have to remember, the estimate for 2026 was made when they said that the digging and construction was supposed to have begun during last season.  That obviously didn't happen, and  has been pushed 8 or 9 months, so 2027 sounds quite reasonable.  

 

If you're interested, look for the recent articles about the County signing off, I saw it in at least two places.  

 

 

From the Bills website on 5/4…

 

 

The state-of-the-art open-air stadium, which will be built on a 242-acre site, will cover approximately 1.35 million square feet. It will be the biggest project ever built in Western New York.The construction of a 75,000-square-foot ancillary building and demolition of the current stadium are also part of the site's related development. Completion is scheduled for July 2026 so the new stadium can open its gates for the start of the 2026 NFL regular season.

Edited May 8, 2023 by LabattBlue

[Augie]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

From the Bills website on 5/4…

 

 

The state-of-the-art open-air stadium, which will be built on a 242-acre site, will cover approximately 1.35 million square feet. It will be the biggest project ever built in Western New York.The construction of a 75,000-square-foot ancillary building and demolition of the current stadium are also part of the site's related development. Completion is scheduled for July 2026 so the new stadium can open its gates for the start of the 2026 NFL regular season.

 

Well, yeah….but what do they know?   😋

 

Delays would not shock me, I promise you that. 

 

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Edited May 8, 2023 by Augie

[JoPoy88]

26 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

BTW, here's a timeline piece in the BN.  

 

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/a-timeline-of-the-new-buffalo-bills-stadium-deal/article_d1252c88-eaa2-11ed-a114-8beedb569797.html

 

Sounds as if the stadium will be open to the public, perhaps to help sell PSLs and STs, but not ready for play until 2027.  

 

That's not the piece that I saw it in, but that's one.  

 

 

that’s absolutely not what it means. Substantial completion (July 2026) means it’s ready to be open and used. The March 2027 date is full build out - all the auxiliary things will be done by then. 

Edited May 8, 2023 by JoPoy88

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

From the Bills website on 5/4…

 

 

The state-of-the-art open-air stadium, which will be built on a 242-acre site, will cover approximately 1.35 million square feet. It will be the biggest project ever built in Western New York.The construction of a 75,000-square-foot ancillary building and demolition of the current stadium are also part of the site's related development. Completion is scheduled for July 2026 so the new stadium can open its gates for the start of the 2026 NFL regular season.

 

Yeah, that's the party-line, but the reality is that they were saying that when construction was supposed to begin nearly a year ago by the time it does.  

 

As augie says, or at least implies, expect delays.  

 

I was merely saying what's been reported otherwise.  It's in their interest to keep people as interested as possible for PSL income.  

 

 

[JoPoy88]

8 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Yeah, that's the party-line, but the reality is that they were saying that when construction was supposed to begin nearly a year ago by the time it does.  

 

As augie says, or at least implies, expect delays.  

 

I was merely saying what's been reported otherwise.  It's in their interest to keep people as interested as possible for PSL income.  

 

 

you’re suggesting the team has revised its timeline. They have not. While it‘s entirely possible they run into delays during construction, they have not in any way implied they are already looking to shifting opening to 2027. If you have links to other sources reporting otherwise, please share them. Because the Buffalo News story doesn’t say what you think it says.

Edited May 8, 2023 by JoPoy88

[PBF81]

15 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

you’re suggesting the team has revised its timeline. They have not. While it‘s entirely possible they run into delays during construction, they have not in any way implied they are already looking to shifting opening to 2027. If you have links to other sources reporting otherwise, please share them. Because the Buffalo News story doesn’t say what you think it says.

 

No, just advising that I've seen in print that it's now 2027.  Sorry, I don't, I didn't save them, the articles that is.  It was one of the county people that was quoted as having said it.  I don't live in Erie County anymore and haven't for years, so I don't even follow the names of the politicians.  I wish I could be more helpful.  Frankly I don't care, not to be an ass, but it is what it is and what it will be.  Debating it isn't going to alter the date by an hour one way or another.  All I'm saying is that I wouldn't bet money on that it's available for games three years from now.  Again, they were claiming open in 2026 when the construction was clearly to have begun.  But back to my original point, and let's assume 2026, Allen will be 30.  That fixes that.  LOL  

 

Parking's going to be a PITA for at least three seasons, and when the new stadium opens there's still going to be "destruction" on the old site which won't be available for parking for at least one season then.  

 

I don't know if ECC allows parking, but if so, I think what'd I'd do is park on the opposite side of ECC and walk over from there.  It's going to be a nightmare, particularly this season.  

 

I may look into going to road games instead until this nightmare is finished.  We travel so well anyway, it'll probably be worse (for our opponents) for a few years now.  LOL  

 

 

Edited May 8, 2023 by PBF81

[Buffalo Super Fan]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

Well, yeah….but what do they know? 

 

Delays would not shock me, I promise you that. 

I don’t think there will be delays because the Buffalo Bills stadium isn’t really complicated with removing a lot of the site with demolition it’s ready to build on already shovel ready hence why the site was chosen. I think the Buffalo Bills stadium will go up fast think like a Las Vegas hotel fast. There are no legal challenges so the Buffalo Bills are good to start building right away.
 

Also for record I don’t ever remember a arena or stadium not built on time in Buffalo in my 55 years living here? Rich Stadium I saw go up every week going to my aunt and uncle’s house 5 minutes from the stadium was on time. Pilot Field was on time. Marine Midland Arena was on time. UB Stadium was on time. That is one thing we are good at with construction getting arena and stadiums built on time looking at our Buffalo sports history. Because Buffalo people working on it will want to go to it and people will be focused on it so it will be on time even if the Bills have to add more crews to catch up to keep it on schedule in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Edited May 8, 2023 by I am leaving for good

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, I am leaving for good said:

I don’t think there will be delays because the Buffalo Bills stadium isn’t really complicated with removing a lot of the site with demolition it’s ready to build on already shovel ready hence why the site was chosen. I think the Buffalo Bills stadium will go up fast think like a Las Vegas hotel fast. There are no legal challenges so the Buffalo Bills are good to start building right away.
 

Also for record I don’t ever remember a arena or stadium not built on time in Buffalo in my 55 years living here? Rich Stadium I say go up every week going to my aunt and uncle’s house 5 minutes from the stadium was on time. Pilot Field was on time. Marine Midland Arena was on time. UB Stadium was on time. That is one thing we are good at with construction getting arena and stadiums built on time looking at our Buffalo sports history. Because Buffalo people working on it will want to go to it and people will be focused on it so it will be on time even if the Bills have to add more crews to catch up to keep it on schedule in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

 

Are you still here???   😋

 

They are already behind. They just keep moving the goal line. 

 

I’m not positive in this case of the dates, but it feels right. 

[Awwufelloff]

7 hours ago, cba fan said:

well....Bills have about one real home snow game every 30 years or so. 

 

Colts was last. Jets and Browns games were moved. 

 

sorry your experience is going to be few and far between. Good luck though.

Lol what? Our playoff game vs Cincy was a snow game. As well as the game vs Miami this year. I have videos/pics of both games.

Edited May 8, 2023 by Awwufelloff

[SoCal Deek]

For the record ‘substantial completion’ is a construction contract term that means the project/building can be used by the Owner for its intended use. Most public works construction contracts include a liquidated damages clause that allows the Owner to $ back-charge (penalize) the Builder for every day they are late in reaching Substantial Completion. Keep in mind that these type of damages are offset by unforeseen circumstances (severe weather, Indian bones, etc) which extend the construction contract time. 
 

Hope that helps.

[Gregg]

If the Bills do what the Jets and Giants did when MetLife opened, then expect tours at the new stadium. It gives fans a chance to see what the stadium looks like and where they will want to sit as far as season tickets, go. Expect the Bills in 2024 to ask season ticket holders to put down a deposit for tickets and PSL fees. 

[ddaryl]

23 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Sure, some will be priced out.  If it's a large number then it will be interesting to see what happens when there are much fewer takers than Pegula hoped.  Then he will have to actually have to pay some of "his" share of construction out of pocket--and be forced to consider lowering the PSLs, giveng partial refunds to those who already bought them at the opening price.

 

I could never go to Buffalo for every home game so it's not worth it to me even as an investment--especially with the cost of PSL thrown in.  Resale isn't always above face value for all tickets.  In fact I always go to games on tickets on the secondary market.  You can nearly always find a seat trading for below retail.

 

 

I'm sure we will here plenty of complaints when the actual numbers are released

I'll most likely be a secondary market guy because I don't plan on spending winters in Buffalo and I'll be retired.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2025 is the official season Beane goes for it all if we haven’t won a Super Bowl yet.

 

So 2 more years of trying to win it without hurting the future. Actually lines up pretty well with the current roster. Probably have to replace Diggs, Poyer, Hyde, and Miller the offseason leading up to 2025. We’ll have a lot of spending power.

 

 

[ddaryl]

And so it begins

[Warriorspikes51]

Everyone grab a shovel! Let's get this baby ready for 2024!!! 😆


 

On 5/8/2023 at 8:42 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

2025 is the official season Beane goes for it all if we haven’t won a Super Bowl yet.

 

So 2 more years of trying to win it without hurting the future. Actually lines up pretty well with the current roster. Probably have to replace Diggs, Poyer, Hyde, and Miller the offseason leading up to 2025. We’ll have a lot of spending power.

 

 

You don't "go for it all"  by losing 4 All-Pro players.

 

If we don't add an impact WR by the start of the season....
 

if it looks like we're still lacking at the position come trade deadline: 

 

Beane should look to add there this season. Whether that's Hopkins, Evans or someone else like Kupp that could become available 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

And so it begins

Ha! Thanks for sharing! Looks like they’ll be done any day now. 

[Gregg]

The one thing that will suck is parking for Bills games will be a pain in the ass until the new stadium is up and the old one is gone. Leave for the games earlier than usual.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

On 5/7/2023 at 11:34 PM, Augie said:

 

Are you still here???   😋

 

They are already behind. They just keep moving the goal line. 

 

I’m not positive in this case of the dates, but it feels right. 

Everyone is missing a key point it’s in PSE best interest to get the project done on time or PSE have to pay for the delay’s and cost overruns. This isn’t like expanding a Erie County road or building that Kennington tunnel that will most likely be delayed. PSE will get the new Buffalo Bills stadium open up on time in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Everyone grab a shovel! Let's get this baby ready for 2024!!! 😆


 

You don't "go for it all"  by losing 4 All-Pro players.

 

If we don't add an impact WR by the start of the season....
 

if it looks like we're still lacking at the position come trade deadline: 

 

Beane should look to add there this season. Whether that's Hopkins, Evans or someone else like Kupp that could become available 

Time always wins. How long do you expect those players to dominate? Diggs could still be playing at a high level. 
 

We’ll have a lot of money to spend.

Edited May 9, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Ha! Thanks for sharing! Looks like they’ll be done any day now. 

 

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, I am leaving for good said:

Everyone is missing a key point it’s in PSE best interest to get the project done on time or PSE have to pay for the delay’s and cost overruns. This isn’t like expanding a Erie County road or building that Kennington tunnel that will most likely be delayed. PSE will get the new Buffalo Bills stadium open up on time in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

 

I don’t think people are missing that point. They just don’t care. People just don’t dwell on PSE picking up cost overruns because they want something to complain about, in many cases. They want to talk about PSL’s and ticket costs, and I get that. It’s only normal.  But they don’t want to admit (out loud) the other side of the equation comes with risk and significant potential downside. It’s more fun to play “Blame The Greedy Billionaire”. 

 

People focus on how things affect them. No shocker there. 

 

I fully realize the Pegulas want this on time and, more importantly, on budget. I think it will be on time. That seems far more likely than being on budget. Getting behind on schedule may become expensive.  Time will tell. 

[mrags]

On 5/8/2023 at 8:30 AM, Gregg said:

If the Bills do what the Jets and Giants did when MetLife opened, then expect tours at the new stadium. It gives fans a chance to see what the stadium looks like and where they will want to sit as far as season tickets, go. Expect the Bills in 2024 to ask season ticket holders to put down a deposit for tickets and PSL fees. 

They will be contacting people this spring/summer. They won’t be doing tours of the stadium in person. They have a virtual reality tool they will be using for this process. And I’d imagine they will be looking for some kind of deposit, or contract for tix starting jist as quickly.