DrDawkinstein Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, Chaos said: As I understand our Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator, the main problem facing the offense is Josh Allen's agressive running style. This is a far bigger problem, than QB protection or better offensive weapons. Glad to see we have the right focus by the HC. That's not fair. McD was directly asked specifically about Josh running and how he felt about it. He wasnt asked "What's the biggest problem on Offense?". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: That's not fair. McD was directly asked specifically about Josh running and how he felt about it. He wasnt asked "What's the biggest problem on Offense?". To be fair, its not a topic to discuss in public at all, and particularly should include "It must change". McD should not be publically criticizing Allen. In reverse Allen criticizes himself plently, and never points out the head coaches many in game blunders, and never points out the problems resultign from the over investment in defense. (compare this to certain other Franchise QBs who pipe up all the time) Its reached the point where Allen needs to start calling out the coaching and GM blunders. Edited March 29, 2023 by Chaos 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Just now, Chaos said: To be fair, its not a topic to discuss in public at all, and particularly should include "It must change". McD should not be publically criticizing Allen. In reverse Allen criticizes himself plently, and never points out the head coaches many in game blunders, and never points out the problems resultign from the over investment in offense. (compare this to certain other Franchise QBs who pipe up all the time) Its reached the point where Allen needs to start calling out the coaching and GM blunders. Generally, I agree with you. Leaders should praise in public and punish in private. Generally. But when it comes to established top-tier franchise QBs, it gets a little different sometimes. Since those guys are basically "management" (or depending on perspective, rank even higher than the coaches), sometimes HCs calling out the big dog inst always a bad thing. Belichick and Arians did it to Brady, and got Super Bowls out of him. Reid has done it to Mahomes. And McD's call out wasnt a "We lost because of him" statement. It's more for Josh's own good. But I get what you are saying. However, Josh (nor any QB) should ever call out coaches/team mates/water boys/beer vendors/anyone. Take the brunt and move on. To the bold, who is piping up all the time criticizing their team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Time the Bills Brass got Josh a real RB. An RB that the rest of the league will respect. Love watching Josh running the ball, but I'm tired of him being the best RB on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Generally, I agree with you. Leaders should praise in public and punish in private. Generally. But when it comes to established top-tier franchise QBs, it gets a little different sometimes. Since those guys are basically "management" (or depending on perspective, rank even higher than the coaches), sometimes HCs calling out the big dog inst always a bad thing. Belichick and Arians did it to Brady, and got Super Bowls out of him. Reid has done it to Mahomes. And McD's call out wasnt a "We lost because of him" statement. It's more for Josh's own good. But I get what you are saying. However, Josh (nor any QB) should ever call out coaches/team mates/water boys/beer vendors/anyone. Take the brunt and move on. To the bold, who is piping up all the time criticizing their team? A proper response to the question from McDermott would have been. "Josh's aggressive running style has won us games, that we might have lost because of my coaching blunders, but I still need to convince him his safety comes first." Other than generic platitudes "it starts with me, blah blah blah" McDermott never acknowledges his direct mistakes. Most often he portrays himself as perfect and blames "execution". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 8 minutes ago, Chaos said: A proper response to the question from McDermott would have been. "Josh's aggressive running style has won us games, that we might have lost because of my coaching blunders, but I still need to convince him his safety comes first." Other than generic platitudes "it starts with me, blah blah blah" McDermott never acknowledges his direct mistakes. Most often he portrays himself as perfect and blames "execution". I get your disapproval of his answer. I'm still interested in which QB is calling out his team/coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 It's good to hear it from a player, because the fans that know understand that Josh plays smart. He's going to see, and take advantage of your mistakes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 6 hours ago, dorquemada said: man alive i'd love to get Judon in a Bills uni I have a strong dislike for him, but...if he was doing what he does in a Bills uni I would love him..go figure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 55 minutes ago, FireChans said: Big time “Let’s see how Mahomes does without Hill” energy Such a goofy argument. Surely putting our guy on their team would yield the same results. Sure it will. Recognizing Mahomes is the best right now is not a slight to Josh. There are things he does that Josh hasn’t shown to do consistently. Adding more weapons on this team won’t guarantee a championship unless Josh takes the next steps in development. He regressed this past season with his decision making if you’re judging him objectively. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 8 hours ago, dorquemada said: man alive i'd love to get Judon in a Bills uni Yeah, if they'd have only listened to me. I did an All Small School Draft that year. I got Javon Hargrave in the 2nd, Matt Judon in the 3rd and Tyler Higbee in the 4th. When I did it, everyone said, "who?" Multiple times. Ofc, I drafted Paxton Lynch in the 1st..but you never can be 100 % on these things. The Bills drafted Shaq Lawson, Reggie Ragland and Adolphus Washington that year. John Butler would have been proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Judon knows the deal. He also knows Josh isn’t changing. McBeane have it right but Josh is exactly what Judon described. He plays better that way. Be interesting to see if he can change. I for one want him to play his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 9 hours ago, Gregg said: We can play the what if game all day but if you polled fans, coaches, players around the league I bet Mahomes would get the nod as the best QB in the league. Mahomes does have the #2 OL while Allen's was #26 last year. Mahomes also has the better coach, and his defense also plays better in the playoffs. So, I do see your point. That's just football fandom. People forget that it's a team game. I hear it ALL the time on the internet this year. "Well, clearly Mahomes is better than Allen - he has 2 Super Bowls." This isn't tennis. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: I get your disapproval of his answer. I'm still interested in which QB is calling out his team/coaches. Have you heard of this guy Aaron Rodgers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, Success said: That's just football fandom. People forget that it's a team game. I hear it ALL the time on the internet this year. "Well, clearly Mahomes is better than Allen - he has 2 Super Bowls." This isn't tennis. Allen is probably the biggest MVP for his team in the NFL. He is an entire offense by himself. That said, in a very Favre like way, he will hurt you at times. Mahomes and Burrow are just better pure QB's as far as knowing exactly where the ball is going and delivering it to that spot quickly and accurately. I would even say Burrow is the best at that right now. Brady showed that skill is just hard to defeat. Even if you have a better arm and can run, the fastest processor wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 3 hours ago, 90sBills said: Surely putting our guy on their team would yield the same results. This is objectively wrong. Teams are different. Putting the same guy on another team would yield different results. In some cases they may be similar, others more extreme. Some better, some worse. For example, would Mahomes on the Colts yield the same results as with KC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, The Red King said: This is objectively wrong. Teams are different. Putting the same guy on another team would yield different results. In some cases they may be similar, others more extreme. Some better, some worse. For example, would Mahomes on the Colts yield the same results as with KC? I believe we are in agreement here. 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 11 hours ago, BillsFan619 said: "If he never wanted to use his feet, he could just absolutely rip you apart with his arm. Click on play to hear his thoughts. Go Bills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Airseven said: A swap is too hypothetical (silly) to even consider. Mahomes simply executes on another level than Allen - his accuracy, consistency, creativity, reads, progressions, touch, and under pressure. Don't forget those 1 yard shovel passes that Kelce for 1yd and a TD. That's the rub that mahomes is going to get, same as Brady always did. He would complete simple short passes for big gains and/or TD's. It wasn't "mahomes magic" or "Brady brilliance", it was a great offensive play design that resulted in a great play. The reality is, they will always give the credit to the QB and maybe some to the coach. Edited March 30, 2023 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 12 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: sorry, bud. great minds... Not sure how great the minds are stating obvious facts. I'd say the proper adjective is more along the lines of 'sound undelusional minds.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, 90sBills said: I believe we are in agreement here. 👍 Did I misinterpret the tone of your post? Crap, sorry about that. Curse you internet. 😔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 The criticism from McBeane isn’t negative. It’s a protective approach and seed planting with Josh. They aren’t saying Josh needs to protect the ball better which they certainly could. Obviously I think Josh understands it and is aware of it. And, he will consider it, and then do what he wants. Maybe the first half of the year he will try. But it energizes him and guys like Judon hope he stops running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 9 hours ago, sunshynman said: My mom could beat up your dad! My dad was not a fighter. Neither was my mother. But my 5'2" grandmother. . . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Josh Allen my guy 100%. I would say the biggest difference between the 2 right now is the Mahomes does the simple things more consistently than Josh Allen and Josh does the near impossible more often than Mahomes Its the argument that Kurt Warner tries to explain when reviewing Josh tape. He just wants Josh to get more consistant doing the simple things and once he does that he will be unstoppable 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 16 hours ago, BillsFan619 said: "If he never wanted to use his feet, he could just absolutely rip you apart with his arm. Click on play to hear his thoughts. Go Bills! Best QB in the league, you put Josh on either the Bengals or KC and he wins a Super Bowl. We have a GM and coach that have invested most of their money and resources on defensive side of the ball and provided Josh nothing but Diggs. What exactly was Diggs doing numbers wise before he arrived in Buffalo, good but not the type of number he has had playing with the best QB in the NFL. The fact is Gave Davis is not a #2 and Knox is an average TE. If they go out early again this year Sean will be done and Beane will be not too far behind. Look at KC, they released Frank Clark so they can add another top lineman and Beane just add another no name guy. Even receivers he signed, no name guys. I like the Harris signing but he still has not borough in another top end play make. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Judon sincerely respects and compliments Josh and Buffalo if you watch the entire segment. I can't believe I am saying this, a new appreciation for a NE Patriot. Well done, Matthew Judon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Judon is a beast, so is Allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: If they go out early again this year Sean will be done and Beane will be not too far behind. Look at KC, they released Frank Clark so they can add another top lineman and Beane just add another no name guy. Even receivers he signed, no name guys. You must not follow the Chiefs closely enough to understand what happened. They let Orlando Brown and Andrew Wylie walk (their starting tackles) and signed Jawaan Taylor, who has exclusively played RT in his life, to play LT. They didn't release Frank Clark to ADD another top lineman to their stable. They swapped out and potentially downgraded. Here is the Chiefs murderers' row of star WR: Marquez Valdes-Scantling Kadarius Toney Skyy Moore John Ross Ihmir Smith-Marsette Cornell Powell Jerrion Ealy Ty Fryfogle Justyn Ross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 20 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: I was surprised Beane wasnt all over him when he hit FA in 2021. Would have made a whole lot more sense than Von Miller a year later. Poor planning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 20 hours ago, papazoid said: Put josh behind a top 3 Oline and give him the #1 TE to go with those wr's.......other than diggs, josh has nothing This then raises other unpopular issues. Their GM has been there the same amount of time as Beane. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 23 hours ago, BillsFan619 said: "If he never wanted to use his feet, he could just absolutely rip you apart with his arm. Click on play to hear his thoughts. Go Bills! Look man, if Elway can take a helicopter hit at 38 in the SB and still move around, I think Allen can do the same. I still would like him to protect himself better to get that longevity, but injuries happen more in the pocket anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: Best QB in the league, you put Josh on either the Bengals or KC and he wins a Super Bowl. We have a GM and coach that have invested most of their money and resources on defensive side of the ball and provided Josh nothing but Diggs. What exactly was Diggs doing numbers wise before he arrived in Buffalo, good but not the type of number he has had playing with the best QB in the NFL. The fact is Gave Davis is not a #2 and Knox is an average TE. If they go out early again this year Sean will be done and Beane will be not too far behind. Look at KC, they released Frank Clark so they can add another top lineman and Beane just add another no name guy. Even receivers he signed, no name guys. I like the Harris signing but he still has not borough in another top end play make. If you’re the best QB you’d need to make no name guys shine. Just saying… 3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: You must not follow the Chiefs closely enough to understand what happened. They let Orlando Brown and Andrew Wylie walk (their starting tackles) and signed Jawaan Taylor, who has exclusively played RT in his life, to play LT. They didn't release Frank Clark to ADD another top lineman to their stable. They swapped out and potentially downgraded. Here is the Chiefs murderers' row of star WR: Marquez Valdes-Scantling Kadarius Toney Skyy Moore John Ross Ihmir Smith-Marsette Cornell Powell Jerrion Ealy Ty Fryfogle Justyn Ross Yeah they just won a superbowl with a ‘muderers’ row of receivers’. Maybe that’s what great qb’s do. Elevate the guys around them. Brown was also a RT that transitioned to LT with the Chiefs. I think it’s safe to say Reid/Veach can identify and develop lineman. Make no mistake. KC will be a top contender again next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, 90sBills said: If you’re the best QB you’d need to make no name guys shine. Just saying… Gabe is tied for 15th in receiving TDs since 2020 as a 4th Round pick. I bet if ask 50 NFL fans who Gabe Davis and most couldn't tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, 90sBills said: If you’re the best QB you’d need to make no name guys shine. Just saying… Yeah they just won a superbowl with a ‘muderers’ row of receivers’. Maybe that’s what great qb’s do. Elevate the guys around them. Brown was also a RT that transitioned to LT with the Chiefs. I think it’s safe to say Reid/Veach can identify and develop lineman. Make no mistake. KC will be a top contender again next year. Having arguably the greatest TE of all time and the leagues best offensive play caller gives PM a massive leg up on the rest of the league. Allen is clearly the most physically gifted QB to ever play the game combining size, speed, power and ridiculous arm strength. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 56 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Gabe is tied for 15th in receiving TDs since 2020 as a 4th Round pick. I bet if ask 50 NFL fans who Gabe Davis and most couldn't tell you. Put Gabe on KC and he’d be their WR1. So can’t we the Bills win with him? Why are there people on here that wants to get rid of him? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 30 minutes ago, julian said: Having arguably the greatest TE of all time and the leagues best offensive play caller gives PM a massive leg up on the rest of the league. Allen is clearly the most physically gifted QB to ever play the game combining size, speed, power and ridiculous arm strength. Yeah and I guess Diggs is a scrub. That best offensive player caller didn’t win until the last few years. Coaches scheme. Players execute. He found 1 helluva guy to execute his plays. For all those Allen attributes you’re touting I wish he sprinkle in some elite decision making. Stop being such a jitterbug under pressure and maybe the turnovers would come down. Right now Mahomes and Burrow are the ones exhibiting that calm trait under pressure. Hopefully Allen can get there. If he can’t Bills won win a championship no matter how much our collective homer minds wish it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 minute ago, 90sBills said: Yeah and I guess Diggs is a scrub. That best offensive player caller didn’t win until the last few years. Coaches scheme. Players execute. He found 1 helluva guy to execute his plays. For all those Allen attributes you’re touting I wish he sprinkle in some elite decision making. Stop being such a jitterbug under pressure and maybe the turnovers would come down. Right now Mahomes and Burrow are the ones exhibiting that calm trait under pressure. Hopefully Allen can get there. If he can’t Bills won win a championship no matter how much our collective homer minds wish it to be. People weren't sure Diggs was better than Adam Thielen before he came to Buffalo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Put Gabe on KC and he’d be their WR1. So can’t we the Bills win with him? Why are there people on here that wants to get rid of him? Not at 9.7% drops to targets. KC as a whole was 5.5% drops, Bills were 6.9%. Three games lost by three points, wonder if one more catch in any of those three and we are home throughout the playoffs. Even worse, Davis, McKenzie, Motor, Cook and Shakir as a group had 26 drops in 262 targets. Everyone else [mainly DIggs and Knox] had 12 drops in 289 targets. Davis, Cook, and Shakir better spend every spare moment working on catching the ball. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Put Gabe on KC and he’d be their WR1. So can’t we the Bills win with him? Why are there people on here that wants to get rid of him? Because inflated expectations due to 13 seconds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, 90sBills said: If you’re the best QB you’d need to make no name guys shine. Just saying… Yeah they just won a superbowl with a ‘muderers’ row of receivers’. Maybe that’s what great qb’s do. Elevate the guys around them. Brown was also a RT that transitioned to LT with the Chiefs. I think it’s safe to say Reid/Veach can identify and develop lineman. Make no mistake. KC will be a top contender again next year. Brown at least played LT in college. Taylor played RT exclusively through college and the pros. It could be just fine for them, but this is much different. I guess while I have your first response in here too.. Josh has elevated guys as well. Beasley, Brown, Robert Foster, Zay Jones and Stefon Diggs have all had career years playing with Allen. Edited March 30, 2023 by JGMcD2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 30 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Put Gabe on KC and he’d be their WR1. So can’t we the Bills win with him? Why are there people on here that wants to get rid of him? You don't honestly believe that. If you do believe this then you need to point the finger at Dorsey for not scheming a better game and for Allen forcing the long ball to often 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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