Beane again showing why he is a top GM

[ngbills]

20 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

….and yet, we were 13-3! This is more confusing than @Royale with Cheese and his infinity stuff! 

And who is the qb? Josh Allen. If Keenum start we may have been 3-13.  

[balln]

2 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

It’s March 

Right. We’re talking roster building / gm. 

[Einstein]

26 minutes ago, Success said:

Interesting discussion on the thread.  Clearly, for some fans, a SB is the only thing that puts a GM among the best. Which is fair.

 

I just remember 20+ years of GM's here who couldn't get this team above .500.  And I see other teams around the league - even teams we perceive as being pretty good - being run pretty poorly.

 

There are things Beane can't control, but overall, I think he gives us a better chance to contend than most.

 

 

I think that’s a fair opinion to have. Beane definitely turned the roster from perennial 7-9 team to a contender every year.

 

That being said, THIS off-season he’s done pretty much nothing to improve the team so the title of this thread just doesn’t make much sense.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

39 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Semi-competence or better at GM usually gets the “magician” label here. Sigh. Probably 28-30 fan bases are convinced everything their GM just did was genius. That includes fans of the GMs who didn’t do anything in FA yet and are waiting for the prices to come down. SMH

What the heck are the Bengals doing?

 

Lost 3 starters now and lost Perine. 

 

And because they’re cheap/poor they conned Pratt into taking a vastly underpay contract. 
 

Edited March 16, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Yantha]

He's a good GM, or this would not be a playoff caliber team.  No doubt.

 

But so far in this free agency, I wouldn't give rave reviews.  But it's early and I trust he'll do well.

[Chaos]

Chiefs have 12 draft picks. Bengals have 7, Bills have 6.  Nothing in the draft tracking record suggests the 2023 draft is the place we are going to close the gap. 

 

I am hoping that last years playoff failures were a function of injuries and emotional exhaustion from an unusual season. 

 

I fear that like when the Bills exposed the limitations of the Raven's offense, a strategy copied by other good teams, that the Bengals exposed the limitations of their defensive scheme, and that absent significant innovation, other teams will follow the Bengals blue print. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I think that’s a fair opinion to have. Beane definitely turned the roster from perennial 7-9 team to a contender every year.

 

That being said, THIS off-season he’s done pretty much nothing to improve the team so the title of this thread just doesn’t make much sense.

 

Shocked you would be in this thread opposing something positive someone said about the team...

 

...said no one ever.

[TC in St. Louis]

All these experts in here one thing in common.  They don't know anything more than anybody else on the outside.  And I am in the group.  All I can do is hope.

[ngbills]

4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

What the heck are the Bengals doing?

 

Lost 3 starters now.

 

And because they’re cheap/poor they conned Pratt into taking a vastly underpay contract. 

They have Chase, Higgins and Boyd with Burrow. Plus a better OL and Mixon. They don’t need upgrades. We do have Allen Diggs, and a bag of chips. 

Edited March 16, 2023 by ngbills

[balln]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Chiefs have 12 draft picks. Bengals have 7, Bills have 6.  Nothing in the draft tracking record suggests the 2023 draft is the place we are going to close the gap. 

 

I am hoping that last years playoff failures were a function of injuries and emotional exhaustion from an unusual season. 

 

I fear that like when the Bills exposed the limitations of the Raven's offense, a strategy copied by other good teams, that the Bengals exposed the limitations of their defensive scheme, and that absent significant innovation, other teams will follow the Bengals blue print. 

Great point. The chiefs GM is crushing beane. Pacheco in 7th! Toney trade . Tyreke HILL trade - that one move should be in the hall of fame. The balls to have the foresight. Unbelievable. Get out of paying him. He’s sort of a cancer/immature. Get massive payback w draft picks . Don’t even miss him the very next year and win Super Bowl

 

All their rookies played and had impact last year…..

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by balln

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, balln said:

beane knew it. He knew it would be bad / not ideal this year at the presser. Keep that in mind.

 

gonna need an incredibly improbable draft. 1 starting OL 2) frank clark / impact D 3) mark andrews impact O 

 

I’d rather have Beane do that than see an idiot like Rex try to win the season in a meaningless press conference. 

 

Full disclosure: I didn’t see the presser, so I maybe shouldn’t comment. 

[Einstein]

22 minutes ago, Success said:

 

They're running back what was the best team in the league for a pretty long stretch of the season last year.

 

 

Until Week 5 you mean? The last 12 weeks of the season we were no where near the best team.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Chiefs have 12 draft picks. Bengals have 7, Bills have 6.  Nothing in the draft tracking record suggests the 2023 draft is the place we are going to close the gap. 

 

I am hoping that last years playoff failures were a function of injuries and emotional exhaustion from an unusual season. 

 

I fear that like when the Bills exposed the limitations of the Raven's offense, a strategy copied by other good teams, that the Bengals exposed the limitations of their defensive scheme, and that absent significant innovation, other teams will follow the Bengals blue print. 

I knew it wasn’t good when asked if they could take anything away from Monday Night the Bills coaches kept saying “no, game didn’t go long enough” and Frazier was saying he could carry over the preparation they did for that game. 
 

Absolutely got torched both games.

[balln]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Until Week 5 you mean? The last 12 weeks of the season we were no where near the best team.

Yup. Jerry Sullivan called them out on it. 

[Chaos]

6 minutes ago, ngbills said:

They have Chase, Higgins and Boyd with Burrow. Plus a better OL and Mixon. They don’t need upgrades. We do have Allen Diggs, and a bag of chips. 

I think the Bengals could regress this year.  They lost meaningful players. 

[TFBillsfan]

Good dialogue on this topic. I’m not sure how I feel. Losing Edmunds creates another hole at LB. The running game still has a big question mark. Von Miller is probably out 3/4 of the season so the pass rush is questionable at best. 
 

With Poyer back the D should be good assuming they address LB in the draft.

 

Still big questions on the OL. Is McGovern a plug and play starter that provides a major upgrade?  Still hope they address OL early in the draft.

 

Special teams is solid with Bass and Martin.

 

While Harty has speed, he’s also small, injury prone and has had ball security issues. Not sure he’s much of an upgrade and will most likely have a limited role. 
 

Thus far it’s debatable if our roster has improved. I’ll have major questions if WR, OL, LB aren’t addressed early in the draft. Even more critical is we need them to be immediate and impactful players for us.

 

Miami and NYJ have upgraded their rosters so IMO it’s vital we don’t just run it back with last years roster. We must add some additional playmakers and strengthen the OL.

[Awwufelloff]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

Huh?
 

He did what every other GM does. Restructures contracts to get some cap space.

 

You're more confident about 2023 after we lost a LB, got a WR that Saints fans say is injury prone and overpaid, and retained a 32 year old safety?

 

I don't get it.

Literally every gm restructures he’s not some cap wiz. Draft is by far the most important role as gm, and he’s been one of the worst in the leagues at it 

[ngbills]

Just now, Chaos said:

I think the Bengals could regress this year.  They lost meaningful players. 

Won’t be due to offense. They can all D in the draft if they want. Still have Reader, Pratt and Hendrickson. 

[DrDawkinstein]

If Beane is a magician for creating cap space, then Terry is the magician's assistant doing all the actual work, crammed in a box with just his legs sticking out, writing massive checks and slipping them out of the top.

[That's No Moon]

14 minutes ago, Yantha said:

He's a good GM, or this would not be a playoff caliber team.  No doubt.

 

But so far in this free agency, I wouldn't give rave reviews.  But it's early and I trust he'll do well.

I'm not going to debate his ability as a GM right now but the issue this off-season isn't with free agency, it's with the past couple drafts where they haven't been able to find cost controlled guys who can step in and fill roles well so they need to keep shopping for replacements which is a challenge when you have a good team and limited cap.  They NEED to start hitting on draft picks, not just to be rotational fodder, but to step up and be impact players.

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Abracadabra! Here is an injury prone WR and an old safety! Poof! 

 

 

You 2 don’t have to agree, but do you have to be Richard Heads?  

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Not everyone agrees. I think it’s going to be a wait and see how the rest of Frre Agency and the Draft pans out.

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-free-agency-winners-losers-aaron-rodgers-jets-raiders-bears-dolphins-bills/uk1unvivlmskqwab3om0jefo

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, Dopey said:

You 2 don’t have to agree, but do you have to be Richard Heads?  

 

Sorry if it came off that way. I was just being playful.

[Coach Tuesday]

This thread is a participation trophy.

 

Geez Louise, all Beane has done so far this offseason is fall forward.  We’re congratulating him for executing restructurings that were necessitated by years of bad contracts?  For finally signing a young guard and a speed receiver after some of us have been banging our heads against the wall about these needs for years?  For not paying the high price Edmunds cost because Beane waited to lock him up until he priced himself out of range?

 

I like McGovern and Harty a LOT but young guards and fast career special teamers should fall from the sky in free agency and the draft and Beane had to make up ground and possibly overpay to finally land them.

Edited March 16, 2023 by Coach Tuesday

[Paup 1995MVP]

50 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

The only reason I bring them up is that their positions require competent replacements. Say what you want about Motor and Edmunds, they were important starters on a team that won a lot of games and was one of the favorites to go to the SB the last 2 years. Keemun had plenty of success with a few teams and was a competent backup which is why he keeps getting contracts. I believe Motor could have been a more productive player with a better O-line and play calling that prioritized the run with someone other than Josh. Just see who we bring in to replace Edmunds before criticizing him. Inside LBs don’t get 18 million a year because they suck. 

Regardless of who we bring in to replace Edmunds, I don't have to like his game.  I don't think he sucked.  But he was not a game changer, and did not dominate.  His lack of instincts made him look slow and out of position more then a little.  That being said.  The Bears overpaid for him.  It will be interesting to see the trajectory of his career from this point forward.  I like Milano's game a whole lot better.

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

Huh?
 

He did what every other GM does. Restructures contracts to get some cap space.

 

You're more confident about 2023 after we lost a LB, got a WR that Saints fans say is injury prone and overpaid, and retained a 32 year old safety?

 

I don't get it.

I’m not more confident im the same amount of confident

 

Why?

 

Because for the most part, this is the same team as last year the one that went 13 and three we didn’t need to bring in superstars. We needed players that fit our system that we could afford and we’re not done.

[John from Riverside]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

That’s what the draft is for… Beane signed a solid Guard and a slot WR… his work in offense is done. 😅

He’s not done he only has so much to work with. He’s being patient.
 

We should also be patient

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

He’s not done he only has so much to work with. He’s being patient.
 

We should also be patient

Does this thread count as being patient?

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

He’s not done he only has so much to work with. He’s being patient.
 

We should also be patient

We got four or five more years of McBeane.  We will be patient whether we like it or not. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

I like Beane a lot, but he needs to draft better

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Does this thread count as being patient?

I personally consider it more of a intentionally triggering type of thread just trying to upset people that are already upset

Edited March 16, 2023 by John from Riverside

[Success]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Does this thread count as being patient?

 

It's not a "mission accomplished" thread, and I didn't intend it to come off that way. I just like how he's handling things at this point.

 

[Coach Tuesday]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

 

It's not a "mission accomplished" thread, and I didn't intend it to come off that way. I just like how he's handling things at this point.

 

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, Success said:

The stars aligned at the right time for the Chiefs.  It doesn't mean they're a better team than the Bills.

 

The better team doesn't ALWAYS win the SB.  NFL history has taught us that.  A lot is getting hot at the right time, and getting some breaks.

 

Translation: "It's hard to win in the NFL."

 

(Credit to Richard Manuel Jauron)

[BarleyNY]

40 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

What the heck are the Bengals doing?

 

Lost 3 starters now and lost Perine. 

 

And because they’re cheap/poor they conned Pratt into taking a vastly underpay contract. 
 

 

An owner only focused on profit can always torpedo a team. GMs have to carry out the owners’ visions and they all aren’t out to win a championship if it means making less money. Check out the Bengals NFLPA report card: Link

[Dopey]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I personally consider it more of a intentionally triggering type of thread just trying to upset people that are already upset

A positive thread triggers the mob and you blame the OP. I guess if we like something we should just stfu cuz ,ohh no, the pissed off folks will get even more triggered. I guess TBD is for the upset only to vent. If that’s how it is, personally, they can eff themselves with the bully behavior. We’ve been one of the better franchises over the past few seasons. If you think not winning a SB is a reason to be an ass to others, you’re wrong. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Dopey said:

A positive thread triggers the mob and you blame the OP. I guess if we like something we should just stfu cuz ,ohh no, the pissed off folks will get even more triggered. I guess TBD is for the upset only to vent. If that’s how it is, personally, they can eff themselves with the bully behavior. We’ve been one of the better franchises over the past few seasons. If you think not winning a SB is a reason to be an ass to others, you’re wrong. 

Dude, no that’s not what I’m saying
 

Someone made a post

Some people are upset about it

 

I personally think Brandon Beane is an awesome GM, who has done an awesome job as evidenced by the fact that our team has been in the playoffs for so many years we can’t remember whenever it wasn’t some of us unless they’re old as ***** like me

 

We can do a lot worse with the management that we have including coaching

[Dopey]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Dude, no that’s not what I’m saying
 

Someone made a post

Some people are upset about it

 

I personally think Brandon Beane is an awesome GM, who has done an awesome job as evidenced by the fact that our team has been in the playoffs for so many years we can’t remember whenever it wasn’t some of us unless they’re old as ***** like me

 

We can do a lot worse with the management that we have including coaching

Thanks, but that aside, this place is really starting to suck. 
I am old as…not dust, but I’m up there too. It’s ok for some of us to enjoy what we have now. 3 straight division titles…I’d better stop before I piss off the entitled crew. What’s with poo pooing a positive post/thread? There’s plenty of negative threads to jump on. 
 

HOLY 💩!!!

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Dopey said:

Thanks, but that aside, this place is really starting to suck. 
I am old as…not dust, but I’m up there too. It’s ok for some of us to enjoy what we have now. 3 straight division titles…I’d better stop before I piss off the entitled crew. What’s with poo pooing a positive post/thread? There’s plenty of negative threads to jump on. 
 

HOLY 💩!!!

 

How did you do during the drought years?

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

And who is the qb? Josh Allen. If Keenum start we may have been 3-13.  

That can be said for any team that loses a qb of that caliber. Beane drafted him…to no credit, apparently. 
Just B word to B word.