Success Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 That is WHERE THE GAME IS WON. Every time, Especially in the playoffs. Both lines. Keep investing. High draft picks, FA's. That's it. That's all I wanted to say. 4 13 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 You can spend all you want on the DL but if you spend it on players who suck you will just suck. 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Success said: That is WHERE THE GAME IS WON. Every time, Especially in the playoffs. Both lines. Keep investing. High draft picks, FA's. That's it. That's all I wanted to say. We need five new starters on the O Line and at least three or four on the D Line. That’s gonna be one heck of a draft! 😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Agree 100%. Been saying it for a while. 5 years and JA still has a garbage OL. Despite a sh!t ton of high draft picks and FA money invested on DL, they still can not generate a pass rush and come up small 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4th&long Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 The D line is weak. Greg R ids a bust. Ed Oliver can walk. I won’t give him a big contract. They can’t draft. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 This is why we can’t run or stop the run. Everyone wants to make EVERYTHING about the QB and passing…not being able to run or stop the run is an indication of bigger issues. A serious lack of physicality 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shemp Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Blocking and tackling is the name of the game and the Bills don't do either well. Maybe they never have. No matter how good the team is, they always lose to the big boys in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Shaq Lawson nearly made the game super interesting. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 48 minutes ago, FireChans said: You can spend all you want on the DL but if you spend it on players who suck you will just suck. Yeah I mean it ain’t like we ignore the trenches, we just can’t identify great players for either side of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 All we will hear about is “weapons”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 This game may have an effect on the Bills' draft strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 How many games did our OL look decent this season? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Success said: That is WHERE THE GAME IS WON. Every time, Especially in the playoffs. Both lines. Keep investing. High draft picks, FA's. That's it. That's all I wanted to say. Oh come on, surly you must have more then this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, ngbills said: How many games did our OL look decent this season? 2-3 maybe ? Josh saved these bums over and over again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 The OL would look better in the passing game if Josh routinely got rid of the ball in 2.5 secs, but that’s not the type of QB he is, so we have to accommodate to his strengths. We need some maulers that will help in the ground game. Also not sure what to do with Dawkins since I think he’s a B- to B left tackle. We need upgrades everywhere and lack the resources to get it done. This will be Beane’s toughest offseason yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chugga Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Ed Oliver, AJ Epenesa, Boogie Basham, Greg Rousseau through the draft Settle, Jones, Phillips, Lawson, Miller, Star through free agency. They are investing. They just aren’t hitting. Offensively the best lineman we’ve had plays for the Browns and arguably the second best one tried to remove his dead fathers head during a mental break. We spent money on Morse, Bates, Saffold, etc We aren’t hitting 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, FireChans said: You can spend all you want on the DL but if you spend it on players who suck you will just suck. And if you spend it on players that are hurt, you’ll still suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, FireChans said: You can spend all you want on the DL but if you spend it on players who suck you will just suck. How bad is Epenessa? I know he played this year but I honestly can't remember him making any plays. Who would have thought coming out of the offseason that the Bills best and most consistent D lineman would have been Shaq Lawson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, 4th&long said: The D line is weak. Greg R ids a bust. Ed Oliver can walk. I won’t give him a big contract. They can’t draft. Oliver is on 5th year option so they Bills are committed $10 mil to him for 2023 and if you let him walk you still paid him the $10 mil as a cap hit. So he's not going anywhere. 4 minutes ago, Chugga said: Ed Oliver, AJ Epenesa, Boogie Basham, Greg Rousseau through the draft Settle, Jones, Phillips, Lawson, Miller, Star through free agency. They are investing. They just aren’t hitting. Offensively the best lineman we’ve had plays for the Browns and arguably the second best one tried to remove his dead fathers head during a mental break. We spent money on Morse, Bates, Saffold, etc We aren’t hitting Think I missed something here, who are you talking about and what happened?? Edited January 23, 2023 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, FireChans said: You can spend all you want on the DL but if you spend it on players who suck you will just suck. Whoever scouted Basham and Epenesa should be fired. How many consecutive years are we to tolerate a bottom 10 OL. Our DL & OL have always been the problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakrider Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Bills need to spend big on at least 2 offensive lineman and whoever they can get on defensive line. They couldn't tackle Mixon and they didn't get much pressure on Burrow either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 O-line needs complete overhaul would start there first. Have to develop some semblance of running game. I would consider moving Bates to Center and look at upgrading both G positions while also bringing in some competition at RT. Safety, #2 WR and DE are other positions I would look at secondarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, Chugga said: Ed Oliver, AJ Epenesa, Boogie Basham, Greg Rousseau through the draft Settle, Jones, Phillips, Lawson, Miller, Star through free agency. They are investing. They just aren’t hitting. Offensively the best lineman we’ve had plays for the Browns and arguably the second best one tried to remove his dead fathers head during a mental break. We spent money on Morse, Bates, Saffold, etc We aren’t hitting Get a real DC and see what these guys can do. There is talent just no leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I might want to see what Spencer Brown looks like as a Guard before I completely give up on him. Maybe getting him inside can play into his physicality and create less decisions for him. Maybe he can just line up and knock someone’s teeth out in there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Whoever scouted Basham and Epenesa should be fired. How many consecutive years are we to tolerate a bottom 10 OL. Our DL & OL have always been the problem. they definately need to take a deep look into their scouting dept. with having to pay allen we have to build through the draft and we have wasted way to many draft picks on mediocer players. too many boom or bust players as well. Then you have to look at coaching. Are we getting everything talent wise from these draft picks? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Juggernaut Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 If anyone wants a good laugh, watch Saffold this game. He was unbelievably bad. Almost every pressure, blown up play was on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: The OL would look better in the passing game if Josh routinely got rid of the ball in 2.5 secs, but that’s not the type of QB he is, so we have to accommodate to his strengths. We need some maulers that will help in the ground game. Also not sure what to do with Dawkins since I think he’s a B- to B left tackle. We need upgrades everywhere and lack the resources to get it done. This will be Beane’s toughest offseason yet. it takes longer than 2.5 seconds for dorseys deep routes to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Instead of talking the players, who are all first and second round picks, how about we talk the guys coaching them? The line has the SAME issues every year. It was better this year with Jones, but once he goes down the middle is soft and the edge guys go wide, every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 33 minutes ago, NewEra said: And if you spend it on players that are hurt, you’ll still suck Roger Saffold isn't hurt, he just blows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) Lost Schoen Morgan Daboll makes me wonder if a cause for treading water talent wise. Plausible OL, WR2 would help D and Josh. Edited January 23, 2023 by Since1981 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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