1/15/2023 Wildcard Weekend - Dolphins @ Bills - Post Game Thread

[CincyBillsFan]

5 hours ago, Baba Booey said:

Well, I guess we will agree to disagree my man!! But we will never win next week against Bengals, they are just better coached and have the better QB at this moment. 

Do you think Burrow played better then Allen today?  Did you watch the 2nd half of the Bengals/Ravens game? 

 

[Baba Booey]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Do you think Burrow played better then Allen today?  Did you watch the 2nd half of the Bengals/Ravens game? 

 

No, but he had ball security. Didn’t put his defense in any bad position or give up a scoop and score!

[Riverboat Ritchie]

Unfortunately I think this game more than any game is where we are going to miss Von. You get pressure on Burrow and he looks average.  

[Southern_Bills]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Do you think Burrow played better then Allen today?  Did you watch the 2nd half of the Bengals/Ravens game? 

 

 

I agree, I can't stand the fact QBs are punished for taking shots. I mean Trevor Lawrence only has a game this week because Herbert is incapable of taking shots.

 

In a perfect world they would only do it when needed, but that's not the way it goes.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Baba Booey said:

No, but he had ball security. Didn’t put his defense in any bad position or give up a scoop and score!

The only time Allen was sloppy on "ball security" was the fumble. The pass to Beasley that was intercepted should have been caught or had a flag thrown for pass interference.  The deep shot to Brown that was picked saw Smoke completely confused about what he should do on a scramble drill.  Romo was clear that the pick was on the receiver there. 

 

 

[Caesar]

2 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

I agree, I can't stand the fact QBs are punished for taking shots. I mean Trevor Lawrence only has a game this week because Herbert is incapable of taking shots.

 

In a perfect world they would only do it when needed, but that's not the way it goes.

The Ravens play an extended 2 high vs the Bengals every games since Burrow went for 525 yards.  He is perfectly fine utilizing the short game.  If the Bengals get a lead do not be too concerned as Zac will go to conservative mode, like he did tonight with 9 minutes left in the 4th.   He keeps opponents in the game sometimes.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

I agree, I can't stand the fact QBs are punished for taking shots. I mean Trevor Lawrence only has a game this week because Herbert is incapable of taking shots.

 

In a perfect world they would only do it when needed, but that's not the way it goes.

Bingo.  Herbert plays like some of these folks demand Allen should play.  And for a half the style points were piling up for the Chargers.  But in the end the Chargers are done and we advance with a game next week at home versus a very beatable Bengals team.

 

 

[Baba Booey]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The only time Allen was sloppy on "ball security" was the fumble. The pass to Beasley that was intercepted should have been caught or had a flag thrown for pass interference.  The deep shot to Brown that was picked saw Smoke completely confused about what he should do on a scramble drill.  Romo was clear that the pick was on the receiver there. 

 

 

Dude, we could go all night about this. I love Josh too, just think he needs to play better to get us to the Super Bowl. That’s it. 

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The only time Allen was sloppy on "ball security" was the fumble.

 

I disagree.

I thought he was cavalier with the ball all day.

[Caesar]

5 minutes ago, Riverboat Ritchie said:

Unfortunately I think this game more than any game is where we are going to miss Von. You get pressure on Burrow and he looks average.  

Burrow went to the SB in his first full year being the most sacked QB in the history of football and still led the PFF QB grades.

I assume any QB is a bit worse with defenders in their face but Joe, Pat and Josh can all 3 handle it pretty well and none are average.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Baba Booey said:

Dude, we could go all night about this. I love Josh too, just think he needs to play better to get us to the Super Bowl. That’s it. 

You've been bashing Allen all over 2BD.  Of course he and the rest of the team need to play better to win a Super Bowl.  What we're arguing about is how well Allen played today. 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Caesar said:

Burrow went to the SB in his first full year being the most sacked QB in the history of football and still led the PFF QB grades.

I assume any QB is a bit worse with defenders in their face but Joe, Pat and Josh can all 3 handle it pretty well and none are average.

 

I'm really curious what kind of shape your OLine is going to be in next week.

Could be a significant difference maker

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Caesar said:

The Ravens play an extended 2 high vs the Bengals every games since Burrow went for 525 yards.  He is perfectly fine utilizing the short game.  If the Bengals get a lead do not be too concerned as Zac will go to conservative mode, like he did tonight with 9 minutes left in the 4th.   He keeps opponents in the game sometimes.

 

Roman play calling was awful in the end.  Think Ravens defense is Bengals   kryptonite how well they play them. And Roman is everyone  kryptonite ( himself is worst). He did same thing for 49ers. Bill's struggled mainly short field to and sacks. Led to many points for the Fish.  Rooting for a good close game for everyone. 

 

Bill's adjust. Sometimes too slow but have to be quicker to adjust, Bengals seem to start off well.

Edited January 16, 2023 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[gordong]

6 hours ago, Steptide said:

McDermott actually won a challenge today, so he had to offset that by calling absolutely terrible timeouts 

He needs to stop with the damn defensive timeouts...what the hell was he thinking?  Both my dog are traumatized listening to me scream at the TV over the dumb timeouts.

 

[Mango]

3 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

We're #1 in dropped passes of any team coming into the playoffs & showed our talent in that skill set today. 

 

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

 

 

The Bills have a whopping 3 more drops than KC. 3. This stat gets presenting like the difference is 23 drops between Buffalo and other good offenses. 
 

Also all those teams have a high frequency passing offenses that will inevitably produce more drops.

 

Here are the top QB’s with the most drops:

1. Rodgers

2. Allen

3. Brady

4. Lawrence

5. Tua/Miami

6. Daniel Jones

7. Mahomes

8. Herbert

9. Burrow

10. Browns

 

8 are in the playoffs and 8 are likely in the top 10 in the league. Surely we need to work on drops. But the gap between Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, etc. isn’t stifling. It’s 3 total dropped passes over 16/17 weeks.  That’s one every 5 games. 

 

 

[Beck Water]

4 minutes ago, gordong said:

He needs to stop with the damn defensive timeouts...what the hell was he thinking?  Both my dog are traumatized listening to me scream at the TV over the dumb timeouts.

 

 

If he hadn’t called them and the Dolphins got easy yards or points because we were out of alignment, you’d be screaming at your TV for that reason so

[Boatdrinks]

32 minutes ago, Baba Booey said:

No, but he had ball security. Didn’t put his defense in any bad position or give up a scoop and score!

Also put up just 17 points 

[Beck Water]

So in Dawkin’s post game presser, one of the reporters asked him how the third date went.

 

”Oh, you’re funny!….I’d say We knew exactly what was coming,  We took that lemon drop, we took that Shirley Temple, we threw them out the window and said “we don’t want no pieces, Go Home”

[gtw3]

Great year when we are able to be the team that knocks out the Patriots and the Dolphins from Super Bowl contention.   In back to back weeks, no less. 
 

on to Cincinnati 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, Toyo321 said:

No Josh struggled.  He has not learned anything in 4 years.  His three TO's kept Miami in this game.  Although the one INT is iffy.  Those two balls should never have been thrown.

Lol one of those hit Beasley right in the chest,  one his offensive line blocked absolutely no one, and one looked like brown ran the wrong route/lost the football. 
 

Josh won that game for us…dolphins were jamming/holding all our underneath receivers all game forcing us to try to hit on those outside throws before their pass rush got home.  
 

if you didn’t want him taking outside shots in single coverage, we would’ve scored 0 points 

22 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

If he hadn’t called them and the Dolphins got easy yards or points because we were out of alignment, you’d be screaming at your TV for that reason so

Lol seriously…this is the ultimate example of hindsight is 20/20. Watching that ball fly towards a wide open jaylen waddle had me begging he called timeout 😂. 
 

that looked like a backbreaker from section 141 lol

Edited January 16, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, Dr Divit said:

Looking forward to mcdumass being out coached by mcdaniel for next 5 yrs. 
 

If the Dolphins get a QB , they will own us

McDaniel trying to throw backed up way in his own end zone on third down with a third string qb might’ve been the worst coaching decision of the year. Just edges out McDaniel trying to force throws in the red zone the last time they played us 

 

he’s just not a very good coach…I don’t understand they hype at all.  This dolphins team was stacked and they put their qb in harms way far too many times and he could not figure out his defense that is loaded with playmakers for 17 weeks 

 

mcdaniel is going to be ok / not great and replaced by Sean Payton in a couple years imo 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[WideNine]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

That was not on Beasley. 

 

Truth.

 

Every offense has to adjust to how they are not calling DPIs, there have been plenty of intances the past few weeks of defenders knocking receivers off their routes before the ball gets there and reeling in the INTs - no call.

 

If they are not calling the physical stuff then receivers shouldn't worry about pushing off to create separation and using their hands too.

 

We just have to adjust on both sides of the ball to how they are calling these games... whining about how those calls used to go wont help.

 

 

[Big Turk]

26 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Also put up just 17 points 

 

And 234 yards of total offense.

[Warcodered]

 

 

[Jeffbigalls]

6 hours ago, Jeffbigalls said:

Bengals at Bills (buffalo was -2.5 on the road , would suggest buffalo -3.5 to 4.5)

 

If they play Jacksonville -7 +

Resorts world has the opening line at -4 buffalo right where I figured it would open

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, Process said:

This is an absolutely wild play call on 3rd and 1, not in a good way. Allen and shakir saved it with a hell of a throw and catch. 

 

 

Watch Dawson Knox get chucked like 6 yards back towards the line of scrimmage and that is a little hint of why we were seeing deeper routes lol the receivers in the middle of the field were getting absolutely mugged all game long.  
 

that was a legal play but many were not 😂

Edited January 16, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Warcodered]

Also I'm sure there was something about family in there too.

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 hours ago, Process said:

This is an absolutely wild play call on 3rd and 1, not in a good way. Allen and shakir saved it with a hell of a throw and catch. 

 

 

Who was wide open behind Shakir? Smoke? Was Josh actually trying to get him there and under threw it?

[HerdMentality]

Best 3rd string QB I've seen.

[WideNine]

7 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Also I'm sure there was something about family in there too.

 

Of course a win is a win, but even the ever upbeat McD said in his locker room speech, "We need to take some valuable lessons away from this game here. We can't expect to do that again and get a win out of it. Each week is going to be harder and harder..."

 

That is all I am asking from this team, take the win, but clean up the things you can, don't do things to beat yourself, then see how our boys stack up to the best in the league. We have a great team and I want this season for them... there is a lot of skill on this team too, our 1st year players Cook/Shakir/Elam starting to come on, the next few games would be an awesome time for it all to come together.

 

 

 

[Punch]

3 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Of course a win is a win, but even the ever upbeat McD said in his locker room speech, "We need to take some valuable lessons away from this game here. We can't expect to do that again and get a win out of it. Each week is going to be harder and harder..."

 

That is all I am asking from this team, take the win, but clean up the things you can, don't do things to beat yourself, then see how our boys stack up to the best in the league. We have a great team and I want this season for them... there is a lot of skill on this team too, our 1st year players Cook/Shakir/Elam starting to come on, the next few games would be an awesome time for it all to come together.

 

 

 

These Bills rise to the occasion, especially as they’ve grown mentally tougher and more resilient with more big game experience. I’m expecting a much more focused effort but going forward, the margin of error thins each week.

Edited January 16, 2023 by Punch

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

I think I saw James Cook almost smile

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think I saw James Cook almost smile

That's nothing but an urban legend.

[Boatdrinks]

6 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I know.   It sad how some people are always the glass is half empty.

 

This board is not as enjoyable as it used to be.

 

What happened?

Trolls have multiplied 

[John from Riverside]

23 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Trolls have multiplied 

Well, some of the takes are just ridiculous. Whenever you have somebody sitting there saying that a top three quarterback in the league isn’t good enough it’s a little bit hard to take.

[gordong]

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

If he hadn’t called them and the Dolphins got easy yards or points because we were out of alignment, you’d be screaming at your TV for that reason so

Yeah good argument EXCEPT the defense stopped them both times.. 

[RunTheBall]

This team wins gritty

 

We put up 34 points playing sloppy home-run ball

 

IF they put it together and play a clean game on offense, we are going to the Super Bowl and will win it

 

That’s a big if though, but the potential is there and we get to play another week to see if they can find it

 

On to Cincinnati 

[Buffalo Ballin]

We got the Win. Eff it. Move on.

 

Our next game vs. Bengals will be different. Josh Allen is not fumbling the ball 3 times. He might just fumble it once, but not for loss. He's not going to throw 3 INTs either. I think just 1 INT. That's it.

 

I think this will be a low scoring game. It's going to be long and drawn out. Game will be filled with long sustaining drives to eat clock.

[Baba Booey]

6 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

You've been bashing Allen all over 2BD.  Of course he and the rest of the team need to play better to win a Super Bowl.  What we're arguing about is how well Allen played today. 

Your right. I shouldn’t have an opinion. Josh played lights out today!! Go Bills

[Markaf431]

So reading through all of this, someone correct me if I’m missing any of these amazing takes 

 

McDermott sucks and should be fired

Josh has been bad since week 6

We need a new RT, LT, LG

Groot should be benched for AJE

Dorsey should be fired (well ok, something needs to be done there)

 

listen I get it. It was an ugly game. We fell apart, but a couple of very important things to remember. 
 

playoff games, nothing matters except your score being higher than the other teams at the end. Done. 
 

We came out healthy

 

ugly wins are still wins. On to Cincinnati.