Pasaluki Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I for one can't wait to get him back next year. The injury sucks but I think Von Miller made a big impact already. His greatest contribution was against our hated foes the Kansas City Chiefs. He was huge in beating the Chiefs. The Bills vs Chiefs game became a game of huge importance now that we know how the playoffs will work. Because the win gave us a tiebreaker it factored into the resolution the NFL made in regards to the playoffs. Von Miller's last gift to us this season is a potential neutral field for the penultimate battle for the AFC Crown. Let's not squander it. Thanks Von. And GO BILLS! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans. Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose. 1 3 1 1 17 2 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans. Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose. seriously? The guy is a SB MVP and has 4 SB sacks. He sacked Mahomes twice late to win us the game. Go take a look at how much pressure we generated by rushing 4 when he was playing . The D has noticeably fallen off in that area. Edited January 10, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 4 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I hope we sit him out til the playoffs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans. Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose. Single-handedly won us the first Chiefs game and we won’t have him next time around. He was the last person I wanted to lose on defense. He’s the only Hall of Famer on that side of the ball and was still playing at a high level. 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasaluki Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans. Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose. The opposite actually His value was underestimated. There's an argument that can be made that we don't win the game against KC without him. If KC wins that they get the #1 seed and the Bills play at arrowhead. Von Miller's play in that game ended up a bigger impact is all I'm saying. I'm not saying he's Josh Allen. I'm saying he was part of something that could go down in the Lore of the NFL if we play KC at a neutral site. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, JayBaller10 said: Single-handedly won us the first Chiefs game and we won’t have him next time around. He was the last person I wanted to lose on defense. He’s the only Hall of Famer on that side of the ball and was still playing at a high level. THANK YOU!! Some Common Sense around here is refreshing! Sheesh! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans. Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose. I don't know about overestimated, but I will say imo the loss of Hyde is a little bit more worse than Miller. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans. Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose. I suppose that would depend on how you define "big name." If you mean someone whose name would be recognized by a casual non-Bills fan, then we've got Allen, Diggs, and Miller. In that case, I'd agree with you. But that doesn't mean his value is overestimated, just that our defense was decent even without him, while our offense would be SOL without Allen or Diggs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Single-handedly won us the first Chiefs game and we won’t have him next time around. He was the last person I wanted to lose on defense. He’s the only Hall of Famer on that side of the ball and was still playing at a high level. Captain Obvious in the bold. He made some great plays 💯. Game changing plays. Josh made game changing plays and minus him, we don’t win that game. We probably don’t win if elam doesn’t make that end zone int. We may have lost if Taron doesn’t make that int (von contributed, but it was the play call that won that play). One thing is for sure, no one person “singlehandedly” won that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: I don't know about overestimated, but I will say imo the loss of Hyde is a little bit more worse than Miller. i think because we have a squad of DEs and rotate them, but we are down to 3rd string safety and it's 100% of snaps and a big drop off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans. Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose. Just another check in your bedpost full of terrible takes 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasaluki Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Patrick Duffy said: I don't know about overestimated, but I will say imo the loss of Hyde is a little bit more worse than Miller. That's debatable but not what I'm talking about. Von Miller to me = neutral site He was part of something that could end up mean A LOT to the team. He was more important than I think alot of Bills fans realize even though since he's injured he's kind of thought of as an afterthought. Were you thinking about Von Miller last week? No. You probably shouldn't be. This team is awesome in 50,000 ways! I'm saying he was a more impact player than ppl realize because his performance against KC in prime time sent a shockwave that we aren't even feeling until now. This is why the Bills hopefully won't squander what I call Von's Gift. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 The simple fact they’re stuck with the same pass rush as last year with a worse secondary means Miller’s handful of TFL’s will be missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans. Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose. Totally disagree. Von was/is our biggest playmaker on Defense. IMO he was signed for big games to make plays such as the KC game and playoff games. I think he brings/brought a lot to the locker room and teaching the young players too. He embraced our Bills culture and improved it also. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, colin said: i think because we have a squad of DEs and rotate them, but we are down to 3rd string safety and it's 100% of snaps and a big drop off Yeah this process of rotating the front four and all the dollars and draft pick wrapped into it would be fine if they were getting home and changing games. i don’t see it. 😑 Edited January 10, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, colin said: i think because we have a squad of DEs and rotate them, but we are down to 3rd string safety and it's 100% of snaps and a big drop off Agree, good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Buffalo Bills pass rush weeks 1-12 (With Von Miller) QB Pressure % - 29.2% (17th in the NFL) Pass Rush Win Rate - 43.8% Buffalo Bills pass rush weeks 13 to 18 (Without Von Miller) QB Pressure % - 33.8% (8th in the NFL) Pass Rush Win Rate - 44.8% (Higher than with Von) No doubt, the players and staff (and fans) would love to have Von out there still. But the stats say that we are no worse without him right now, and even a little better since he got hurt. The reality is that where Von will be missed more is in those big moments, as that closer kind of role. But, at least we didn't see a big drop off when he went down, which is what we all feared the most. Still a question on whether or not our other guys can be that closer in key moments, but I think Von's biggest impact has been to help elevate the guys around us through his energy, teachings, etc and hopefully that translates into closing out games like we signed Von for. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, NewEra said: I hope we sit him out til the playoffs. Bases on what we saw with Tre White acl rehab, we likely won’t have Von back until December 2023 anyway 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Buffalo Bills pass rush weeks 1-12 (With Von Miller) QB Pressure % - 29.2% (17th in the NFL) Pass Rush Win Rate - 43.8% Buffalo Bills pass rush weeks 13 to 18 (Without Von Miller) QB Pressure % - 33.8% (8th in the NFL) Pass Rush Win Rate - 44.8% (Higher than with Von) No doubt, the players and staff (and fans) would love to have Von out there still. But the stats say that we are no worse without him right now, and even a little better since he got hurt. The reality is that where Von will be missed more is in those big moments, as that closer kind of role. But, at least we didn't see a big drop off when he went down, which is what we all feared the most. Still a question on whether or not our other guys can be that closer in key moments, but I think Von's biggest impact has been to help elevate the guys around us through his energy, teachings, etc and hopefully that translates into closing out games like we signed Von for. The stats looking similar before and after Von Miller does not surprise me. what I noticed with Von Miller, is that even when he was somewhat invisible for most of the game, when we needed him the most, when we desperately needed that big time qb pressure or sack at the end of the game, he always seemed to show up. thats what we miss 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: Bases on what we saw with Tre White acl rehab, we likely won’t have Von back until December 2023 anyway The stats looking similar before and after Von Miller does not surprise me. what I noticed with Von Miller, is that even when he was somewhat invisible for most of the game, when we needed him the most, when we desperately needed that big time qb pressure or sack at the end of the game, he always seemed to show up. thats what we miss Yeah, which is what exactly I said in the post you responded to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: I don't know about overestimated, but I will say imo the loss of Hyde is a little bit more worse than Miller. They’re both huge losses, but an elite pass rusher like Miller does more to disrupt the passing game than a free safety. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Yeah, which is what exactly I said in the post you responded to Yeah I was agreeing with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, Einstein said: Bases on what we saw with Tre White acl rehab, we likely won’t have Von back until December 2023 anyway The stats looking similar before and after Von Miller does not surprise me. what I noticed with Von Miller, is that even when he was somewhat invisible for most of the game, when we needed him the most, when we desperately needed that big time qb pressure or sack at the end of the game, he always seemed to show up. thats what we miss based on what we saw with Tre doesn’t mean much to me. Every athlete is different and every injury is different. Some players needed a year to come back from achilles tears. Cam Akers came back in 5.5 months. However it turns out, I don’t want to see him play in the regular season unless it’s a critical game week 18. When we signed him, I thought we should sit him the whole year. Maybe it’s my ptsd, but I had a feeling von was too good to be true. I’d be ok if he never played a regular season game again tbh 24 minutes ago, Airseven said: The simple fact they’re stuck with the same pass rush as last year with a worse secondary means Miller’s handful of TFL’s will be missed. Duh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 If given the choice, I’d rather have Hyde back for the playoffs than Von Miller 🤷🏾♂️ 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: based on what we saw with Tre doesn’t mean much to me. Every athlete is different I’m suggesting that perhaps it’s not the athlete and it’s more the caution of the Bills training and coaching staff. I’m speculating that the Bills are going to hold any player with an ACL tear out for 12 months. We will find out if i’m wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: If given the choice, I’d rather have Hyde back for the playoffs than Von Miller 🤷🏾♂️ Agreed. We're much thinner at safety than we are at DE. That said, I'd still like to have Von in there. Edited January 10, 2023 by WhoTom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: I’m suggesting that perhaps it’s not the athlete and it’s more the caution of the Bills training and coaching staff. I’m speculating that the Bills are going to hold any player with an ACL tear out for 12 months. We will find out if i’m wrong. Yeah, that’s possible. I just think injuries vary. Athletes physical beings vary. Athletes mindsets vary. whatever it may be, i hope he plays minimal regular season games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Buffalo Bills pass rush weeks 1-12 (With Von Miller) QB Pressure % - 29.2% (17th in the NFL) Pass Rush Win Rate - 43.8% Buffalo Bills pass rush weeks 13 to 18 (Without Von Miller) QB Pressure % - 33.8% (8th in the NFL) Pass Rush Win Rate - 44.8% (Higher than with Von) No doubt, the players and staff (and fans) would love to have Von out there still. But the stats say that we are no worse without him right now, and even a little better since he got hurt. The reality is that where Von will be missed more is in those big moments, as that closer kind of role. But, at least we didn't see a big drop off when he went down, which is what we all feared the most. Still a question on whether or not our other guys can be that closer in key moments, but I think Von's biggest impact has been to help elevate the guys around us through his energy, teachings, etc and hopefully that translates into closing out games like we signed Von for. The Jets game at home and a terrible Bears team probably account for a lot of that differential. I felt like the Bills pressured fields nearly every play and they destroyed Mike White. Also, the Bears' talent is absolutely awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans. Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose. Fickle are we? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, K-9 said: They’re both huge losses, but an elite pass rusher like Miller does more to disrupt the passing game than a free safety. Agree, Miller was also the guy who made Benford and Jackson look acceptable as starting CB’s early in the season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Since he's injured, I'm now content lying to myself & saying he's of no significance, his presence wouldn't have made a difference, and he was just a vanity signing anyway... You know, to show the world just how big Buffalo's d*** is & wave it in Dallas/LA's faces. Edited January 10, 2023 by BigDingus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 He just made everyone better; that is certainly missed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: He’s the only Hall of Famer on that side of the ball and was still playing at a high level. Rude to say this with Mike Love still on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans. Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose. Is this what an education in Brentwood, TN gets you? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, K-9 said: They’re both huge losses, but an elite pass rusher like Miller does more to disrupt the passing game than a free safety. 99% of the time I would say yes but we basically have the same defense as last year when we finished first in pass defense by almost 20 yards. This year we aren't even in the top half. This entire defense revolves around Hyde and Poyer and disguising our schemes. We just don't have that element this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans. Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose. You're kind of like a regular now at the TBD Bad Take Cafe aincha 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Einstein said: Bases on what we saw with Tre White acl rehab, we likely won’t have Von back until December 2023 anyway All respect, I think it may make a difference that Von Miller's ACL wasn't actually torn so there may not have been all the ancillary damage. As I understood it, the ACL didn't appear torn on MRI but the Bills and Miller's team decided he needed a clean-up on the meniscus tear to try to play through it. Then while they were in there poking around they discovered the ACL was damaged and unlikely to hold. I don't know but I think it makes a difference. Edited January 10, 2023 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yea. Context matters… Rousseau has certainly stepped up in his place but by my eyes the pass rush is noticeably worse without Von… The JAGs opposite Rousseau are a problem. Basham and Aj for sure. Shaq has been solid though. He had a tough day in a tough matchup vs Trent Brown. Brown hasn’t been good but he’s a tough matchup for Shaq. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 At the very least he can use that contract to continue to help the young DEs perfect their craft. Rosseau has been a freak of nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 He played almost every down. Pretty sure he wanted it that way. To me an injury was almost predictable. He was trying to do too much with not much help while Rousseau was out. Wish he had been bubble wrapped for the playoffs but that wasn’t going to happen. It is what it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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