I'm glad we have McDermott

[Donuts and Doritos]

22 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

Mike Tomlin?  the guy that has 2 SB appearances and 1 SB Trophy and hasn't had a losing season until this year (most likely). I will take that over any of our previous HC's since Marv L.  

 

Perfection is not attainable.   Expectations of perfection every year is down right stupidity.  

 

Won 14 years ago 2009 (2 years after taking over from Cower who had just won it in 2006). Had massive talent, Roethleisberger, Brown & Bell, were SB favorites & never made it with that group. Easier to take when your franchise & coach have won one. McD hasn't yet (like Marvin Lewis). McD deserves tons of credit for building this team into a contender, but a lot of people do that & don't finish the job w/ a Championship (looking @ you Jerry Jones). Not looking for perfection just a Lombardi in my lifetime (I will be thrilled w/ an imperfect ugly SB win). Winning the SB is & should be the goal, not satisfied being runners up. 13 seconds goes away with a Lombardi.

 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[SydneyBillsFan]

I am absolutely convinced that he is the best head coach when it comes to building a winning culture where all players are fully committed to achieving the team objective and he extracts the maximum out of the entire roster. There is nobody better in the NFL for mine.

 

Not sure he is the right game day manager and some of his decisions have left me perplexed, but he has certainly improved since 2017. I'll reserve judgement on this for now. I am also unsure if he has the balance right in terms of his input on drafting strategy (offense v defence) although I am sure that Beane has a large say in the matter.

 

Overall the positives far outweigh the negatives.

[teef]

17 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

3 game win streak. They will come out of the woodwork if we take another L, and mark my words this thread will be resurrected at that time with anti mcdermott rhetoric anew.

 

I am just glad McDermott turned around the one score game statistic. It is so amazing that we win by less than 2 scores more often. That means we are winners! As opposed to taking the easy route and just pounding the opposing team. /s

 

1 score games

2018 - 3-3

2019 - 4-6

2020 - 6-1

2021 - 0-6

2022 - 4-3

 

Meanwhile 2 score games:

2018 - 3-7

2019 - 6-1

2020 - 9-3

2021 - 12-1

2022 - 5-0

 

 

good call.  @Billsfan1972would appreciate the close game stats.  i think it's very honest that you included more seasons that just 2021.  take note 1972.

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 hours ago, Greg S said:

 

But is he as good as the legendary Kay Stephenson

You’ve got jokes 

[Matt_In_NH]

50 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

The criticism of Sean was all about 13 seconds because that was a soul crushing, mindless choke job, by a defensive coach.

That was warranted IMO but he's still the right man for the job and its not a discussion.  There are people on hear thinking they shoudl fire him if they dont win the SB is what I was getting at.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

-13 Seconds-

 

This was a Hall of Shame HCing moment of improper direction! A catastrophic lack of attention to minute detail, where there were only 3 potential plays available- the KO & 2 Offensive plays- including the FG!

 

I like McDermott, but I cannot get over this FUBAR until he brings the Lombardi home to Buffalo and their long suffering, fabulous fan base!

 

The coach who made the FUBAR as you put it is gone to Jax

[BuffaloMatt]

I miss Rex . . . Kidding. . . .  hated that fat f$ck!

Edited December 6, 2022 by BuffaloMatt

[TheWeatherMan]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

He's the Eagles Andy Reid, not yet the Chiefs Andy Reid...

Except one is an Offensive SME while the other is a Defensive SME.  I’d also say that McD’s leadership style is far superior to Reid’s  but Eagles Andy was still a better game manager.  

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

The coach who made the FUBAR as you put it is gone to Jax

What about the 12 second FUBAR against the Chiefs this year?  

[Eastport bills]

3 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

That was warranted IMO but he's still the right man for the job and its not a discussion.  There are people on hear thinking they shoudl fire him if they dont win the SB is what I was getting at.

I’m all for Sean as our coach going forward, he’s a great leader most importantly. I would like to see him however, come up large in a big spot against KC or Cinn.

[Billsfan1972]

48 minutes ago, teef said:

good call.  @Billsfan1972would appreciate the close game stats.  i think it's very honest that you included more seasons that just 2021.  take note 1972.

Actually it's all about context teef.  I'm pretty sure I've discussed this before when it came up. If you want to consider back door covers one score games go ahead.  I'm talking the Cleveland game this year or Miami and Oakland in 2020.  Yes they beat the LA Rams two but gave up a 28-3 lead midway through the 4th in that one ( reminiscent of the Minnesota game).

 

I've said McD has grown on me.

 

Tell you what let's have this thought-provoking thread. Who would you rather have McD or Allen?

 

 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[FilthyBeast]

McD is better than 2/3 of the coaches in this league, but question still remains if's a true war time coach that can take this team to a SB, let alone win one.

 

And as of now that answer is no because of his inability to win a road playoff game. If for some reason that changes this year so be it but history is not on his side.

[Mr. WEO]

27 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Except one is an Offensive SME while the other is a Defensive SME.  I’d also say that McD’s leadership style is far superior to Reid’s  but Eagles Andy was still a better game manager.  

What about the 12 second FUBAR against the Chiefs this year?  

SME? 

[TheWeatherMan]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

SME? 

Subject Matter Expert…sorry.  

[Mike in Horseheads]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Stay out of the shout box on game days then.  At least 5+ people screaming for all the coaches and Beane to be fired first quarter if we aren’t winning the game yet.  

Ya its brutal, but its not the regulars its some rouges

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Subject Matter Expert…sorry.  

 

 

Reid is an order of magnitude more expert in his subject matter.

 

Reid's knock in Philly was big game management (early in KC as well).  He seems to have gotten past that....

[teef]

20 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Actually it's all about context teef.  I'm pretty sure I've discussed this before when it came up. If you want to consider back door covers one score games go ahead.  I'm talking the Cleveland game this year or Miami and Oakland in 2020.  Yes they beat the LA Rams two but gave up a 28-3 lead midway through the 4th in that one ( reminiscent of the Minnesota game).

 

I've said McD has grown on me.

 

Tell you what let's have this thought-provoking thread. Who would you rather have McD or Allen?

 

 

no context needed.  just look at entire career when evaluating a coach's win/loss in close games...not one season.  everything after that is nonsense.  

 

and why as if i would rather have allen vs mcd?  what does that have to do with anything?  we have both.

[JohnNord]

4 hours ago, Success said:

That's it. I'm not even sure this is worth a thread, but after watching coaching all season, and particularly this past weekend and last night - it's pretty clear we have a good one in McD.  ALL coaches make mistakes and have moments you can point to that are sub-par, but on balance, this coaching staff is well-prepared, gameplans well & makes good adjustments.  

 

Around the rest of the league, the coaching is just bad.  There are obviously some good ones, but it's a pretty small group.  I'd put McDermott in the top 5 right now.

 

 

Always have been a fan.  Like you said, he isn’t perfect, but I also feel he gets too much blame from fans.  I’d agree that he’s a top 5 HC, which is why the calls for his head are laughable 

[Billsfan1972]

8 minutes ago, teef said:

no context needed.  just look at entire career when evaluating a coach's win/loss in close games...not one season.  everything after that is nonsense.  

 

and why as if i would rather have allen vs mcd?  what does that have to do with anything?  we have both.

Actually without Allen I see McD as a .500 Coach without Belichick's pedigree.

 

But again he is growing on me and he may prove me wrong and I'll be happy when the Bills hoist the Lombardi.

 

I know I complained about the lack of 300-yard games but I don't think I've had too many complaints about the close losses until last year and yes it was an issue.

 

My biggest complaint was bungling up 13 seconds and yes that was about coaching 100%.

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Except one is an Offensive SME while the other is a Defensive SME.  I’d also say that McD’s leadership style is far superior to Reid’s  but Eagles Andy was still a better game manager.  

What about the 12 second FUBAR against the Chiefs this year?  

 

You mean when we beat KC?

[Augie]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Stay out of the shout box on game days then.  At least 5+ people screaming for all the coaches and Beane to be fired first quarter if we aren’t winning the game yet.  

 

Not all people are worth listening to. It doesn’t take too long to figure out when you stumble across one worth ignoring. 

[TheWeatherMan]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You mean when we beat KC?

Doesn’t have anything to do with a W or L, it’s  concrete evidence that the ST coordinator should not be the fall guy for 13 seconds, it’s the defensive scheme that allows the TE to go right up the seam uncovered.  

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You mean when we beat KC?

 

Speaking of KC, Andy Reid was once where everybody else starts - until you win a SB some people want you fired (see Philly). Then, when you don’t win the next SB, the same people will want to fire you again. I’m sure these people are all infallible titans of industry who win every negotiation and struggle with any mere mortals who don’t win every contest. 

 

He’s not perfect, nobody is. Especially the whiners who think they can just can him and do better. That was the old way of thinking. See Cleveland. How is that working out?  

[NC-billsfan!]

4 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

This is a fantastic message board and it’s my go to place for all my Bills breaking news. Some of the regular posters here have as good of a perspective on the Bills as many of the media types that do it for a living.

 

That being said, this place turns into a suicide cult after every loss and there are a fair number of trolls who come here to stir the pot.

 

I’m not sure how any long term Bills fan can look at the totality of what McDermott has done for this franchise and not be incredibly grateful that he is our coach.

 

Does he deserve criticism for bad moves? Absolutely.  Should he be immune to accountability?  Absolutely not.  But, anyone on this board saying he’s a bad coach or we should move on from him is either a fool or a troll.

 

 

Well said. I like to listen to WGR after the game. But God helps us if we lose, the suicide cult act like lemmings jumping off a cliff. 

[KHAN]

Edited December 6, 2022 by KHAN

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You mean when we beat KC?

I don’t think he was referring to a Week 6 win…

[RunTheBall]

Highest wining percentage in franchise history. Anyone calling for a change at HC (and there are a bunch in this board) should be laughed at and ridiculed 

 

 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

When I first saw this post, I was like "Ohh here we go, this guy is going to get roasted by a lot of people!"

 

I am very happy to see that most appreciate just how good we have it now... these memories fade fast when you end up with GMs like Tom Donahoe and coaches like Gregg Williams, Dick Jauron and Mike Mularkey.

 

Enjoy the ride, because in the blink of an eye banishment to the NFL desert creeps up on you.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

By any metric he is at least the third best coach in franchise history already. 

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

When I first saw this post, I was like "Ohh here we go, this guy is going to get roasted by a lot of people!"

 

I am very happy to see that most appreciate just how good we have it now... these memories fade fast when you end up with GMs like Tom Donahoe and coaches like Gregg Williams, Dick Jauron and Mike Mularkey.

 

Enjoy the ride, because in the blink of an eye banishment to the NFL desert creeps up on you.

 

 

OK, cool little parlor game. I am thinking of a certain poster. How many guesses do you need? 

 

Name That Tune was taken. 

[Chaos]

7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

We haven’t been Super Bowl contenders in a long time until McDermott got here.

 

The mindset of “Every game we win it’s because of Josh Allen and the every game we lose is because of McDermott” is annoying.

Everyone who plays the "Belichek sucks without Brady game" needs to realize that more than half the coaches with the NFL would make the playoffs with Josh Allen on the roster. 

[Momma Pecoraro]

Put up or shut up McDermott.
 

Else Frazier installs his process next year in Orchard Park. Inshallah.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

 

OK, cool little parlor game. I am thinking of a certain poster. How many guesses do you need? 

 

Name That Tune was taken. 

 

No clue... I am terrible at this game 😁

[Chaos]

12 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

When I first saw this post, I was like "Ohh here we go, this guy is going to get roasted by a lot of people!"

 

I am very happy to see that most appreciate just how good we have it now... these memories fade fast when you end up with GMs like Tom Donahoe and coaches like Gregg Williams, Dick Jauron and Mike Mularkey.

 

Enjoy the ride, because in the blink of an eye banishment to the NFL desert creeps up on you.

Its not clear we will be playing any teams coached by Gregg Williams, Dick Jauron on Mike Mularkey in the foreseeable future. In real life they are all irrelevent.  Bills fans are so used to total incompetence that average competence appears like greatness to them, and slightly above average competence appears irreplaceable.  

 

This perception problem workd in reverse when fans called for firing Wade Phillips after he did not deliver Marv Levy level results.  Always better to follow Doug Marrrone and Rex Ryan, than to follow Marv Levy. 

Edited December 7, 2022 by Chaos

[EasternOHBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Everyone who plays the "Belichek sucks without Brady game" needs to realize that more than half the coaches with the NFL would make the playoffs with Josh Allen on the roster. 

 

The grass is always greener explanation is easy to contemplate but difficult to reproduce in reality... this team has had some really bad injury luck this season and we are 9-3. That doesn't just happen with any head coach, and especially not "more than half".

 

You dogging McDermott with just blanket statements based on your opinion is noted.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

No clue... I am terrible at this game 😁

 

Yeah, I don’t know if you can get in trouble for posting what 95% of us are thinking, either.  🤷‍♂️

 

But talk about being terrible at games….I had a recent spell where people wanted me to guess a ladies age or weight. What? I am NOT kidding! Some games can NOT be won. I know I suck at that, but if I thought I was good at it, I’m still smart enough to keep my mouth shut! 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Its not clear we will be playing any teams coached by Gregg Williams, Dick Jauron on Mike Mularkey in the foreseeable future. In real life they are all irrelevent.  Bills fans are so used to total incompetence that average competence appears like greatness to them, and slightly above average competence appears irreplaceable.  

 

9-3 is pretty damn good competence, but yeah, the sky is falling because we have "above average competence" as a HC.

Just now, Augie said:

 

Yeah, I don’t know if you can get in trouble for posting what 95% of us are thinking, either.  🤷‍♂️

 

But talk about being terrible at games….I had a recent spell where people wanted me to guess a ladies age or weight. What? I am NOT kidding! Some games can NOT be won. I know I suck at that, but if I thought I was good at it, I’m still smart enough to keep my mouth shut! 

 

I'm old... I have lost my obsession for personally winning all games a long time ago LOL I do NOT want to get into the weeds over the stats of women NOPE NOPE NOPE! 

[Sargent Hulka]

6 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

The short sighted group that we have on the board nowadays is extremely annoying but loud

 

mcDermott is a good coach

 He's a lousy in-game manager.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Sargent Hulka said:

 He's a lousy in-game manager.

 

Prove it. 

 

😋

[Sargent Hulka]

7 hours ago, RiotAct said:

I was PISSED at the coaching staff after the Minnesota game. (And still rightfully so, I assert).

 

However, they’ve been quite good this year overall - ESPECIALLY when you step back and look at the quality of our competition so far and all the injuries we’ve had to deal with.

Allen won them the KC and Detroit games. If he hadn't, the McDermott enthusiasm would be significantly less on here right now.

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Annoying and inaccurate. 

Pretty accurate for the KC and Detroit games

[TAinLack.]

6 hours ago, Greg S said:

 

But is he as good as the legendary Kay Stephenson

or Hank Bullaugh!