vincec Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: More comparable to Levi's Stadium in San Fran. Simply for playing/watching football in and not breaking the bank. Fiscally responsible, since a lot of it is public money. SoFi was what, $5 billion? With all private money. Others over $2 billion with public money included. Pegulas are looking out for Buffalo and keeping the Bills there, while also enhancing the tailgating/game day experience. Politicians wanted a huge stadium and much more money-wasting, with little-to-no tailgating in downtown location. Looking out for Buffalo? Lol. Sure. Maybe they could add a little of their own cash like everyone else and make something awesome for the area, instead of “the best Buffalo can afford”. 3 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: Buffalo gets to keep their NFL team. That’s pretty cool. So if they built a better stadium they would’ve lost the team? Or are you saying everyone should just be happy with whatever as long as the Bills stay in Buffalo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, vincec said: Looking out for Buffalo? Lol. Sure. Maybe they could add a little of their own cash like everyone else and make something awesome for the area, instead of “the best Buffalo can afford”. They are adding a little of their own cash. On the other hand, I'm sure they wouldn't mind being in a huge market like Atlanta or Los Angeles, but the fact is that they're in Buffalo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, vincec said: “Make no little plans, they have no magic in them to stir men’s blood.” Maybe Buffalo will get something cool on the next multi-billion dollar public project. A 100 years ago that was the way Buffalo did things. Circumstances have changed since then. 32 NFL teams and Buffalo Metro area is 50th in the US. The stadium is proportional for its city's size to the larger venues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 I love it. I just hope the overhangs extend further out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Just now, bobobonators said: I love it. I just hope the overhangs extend further out. Just don't want an awkward shadow over the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, bobobonators said: I love it. I just hope the overhangs extend further out. that’s what she said. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Just don't want an awkward shadow over the field. I personally wouldn’t care but I hear ya 2 minutes ago, SDS said: that’s what she said. Im givin her all she’s got captain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 7 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: People who buy PSLs don't scream on defense. They use their inside voice. 😉 And we golf clap after good plays. Then we ask everyone in front of us to please sit down, because we're paying a lot for a SEAT license we want to use, not a standing license. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 50 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: They are adding a little of their own cash. On the other hand, I'm sure they wouldn't mind being in a huge market like Atlanta or Los Angeles, but the fact is that they're in Buffalo. You realize the relocation fee would have been near a billion dollars for them to move right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukester Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 What’s off to me is how underwhelming this rendering release is as far as views and details. Two pictures after all this time and all the hype?? Horrible horrible marketing. Instead of pumping up the fans with excitement, many of us are left with more questions. Honestly these pictures aren’t too different than the generic ones they released when Populous was announced. Why not wait til you have more to release like interior, suites, overhead, and 360 degree interactive views. I’m still confident the stadium is going to be fantastic (a little worried about the canopy) but just can’t believe they blew the rendering release this badly. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Has Populous been contracted and funded for the entire design? I would think so. It could be they just can’t nail down the details until there is a firm authorization for a construction budget. The construction funding uncertainty could be why they aren’t releasing fuller details, in case something needs to change relative to the funding amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: You realize the relocation fee would have been near a billion dollars for them to move right? How is that relevant? I never said they wanted to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I like the scoreboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 The more I look at the photos, the more I realize that I like the inside more than the outside. As I kept staring at the outside, I don’t get that special pre-game feeling. I always loved tailgating while being able to look at the stadium, see the upper deck as people fill in (from the parking lot), hear all the sounds, and almost be part of the inside action even when still outside. This feels very closed and dark (don’t love the brick facade either). I do like the inside though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: How is that relevant? I never said they wanted to move. My bad I thought you were saying like many that if the pegs didn’t get their way they would leave. They get a brand new stadium but that would be factored in to the relo cost. To move from Buffalo to anywhere would be very costly for them, it’s very relevant. Edited October 28, 2022 by CountDorkula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: A 100 years ago that was the way Buffalo did things. Circumstances have changed since then. 32 NFL teams and Buffalo Metro area is 50th in the US. The stadium is proportional for its city's size to the larger venues. 49th now according to this list. Green Bay comes in at 158th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Just Jack said: 49th now according to this list. Green Bay comes in at 158th. Green Bay is owned by the community. No way can that happen again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I also find it interesting that it’s not symmetrical. The left side of the 100 level has a gradual slope, while the right side has a fairly steep slope. The 200 level on the left is shaped a bit differently and the 300 level on the left has a wall behind it, while the right side doesn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Green Bay is owned by the community. No way can that happen again. I know, I just found it interesting how far down the list they would be, when you look at the other NFL team cities rankings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Green Bay is owned by the community. No way can that happen again. Went to a game there a few years ago, and it’s funny how that was worded. Not only are they owned by the community, but they sit right in the middle of the community! Nice, well kept middle class homes. Like an alien mega ship landed in Cheektowaga. . Edited October 28, 2022 by Augie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Green Bay is owned by the community. No way can that happen again. The NFL would never allow collective community ownership of a team again. Green Bay’s existence is a unique grandfathered in exception. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 22 minutes ago, Jukester said: What’s off to me is how underwhelming this rendering release is as far as views and details. Two pictures after all this time and all the hype?? Horrible horrible marketing. Instead of pumping up the fans with excitement, many of us are left with more questions. Honestly these pictures aren’t too different than the generic ones they released when Populous was announced. Why not wait til you have more to release like interior, suites, overhead, and 360 degree interactive views. I’m still confident the stadium is going to be fantastic (a little worried about the canopy) but just can’t believe they blew the rendering release this badly. I think it's actually good marketing. The plans are not 100% final - I believe that was stated right up front. Folks have been waiting with anticipation for awhile, so letting out a couple of renderings starts to give folks a sense that it is a real thing. As I've looked thru the comments I get the feeling that MOST (not all) of the folks on THIS message board in fact like it. Of course folks have questions - that goes with the territory. After being in marketing for over 30 years, I think it was smart to give out a little taste now instead of letting out ALL the full details (that you may want), when in all likelhood, a lot of those details aren't even complete yet. Have patience my friend - we'll all get what we want in the end. Personally, I think the direction they went is spot on. Hope they keep the 3 large buffalo out front - awesome touch and that should become an iconic scene evetnually.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: My bad I thought you were saying like many that if the pegs didn’t get their way they would leave. They get a brand new stadium but that would be factored in to the relo cost. To move from Buffalo to anywhere would be very costly for them, it’s very relevant. There's no way they would move. Outside of the cost, they're just loyal to Buffalo. They're being responsible with their money and the public's money. Obviously paying a billion just to move wouldn't be responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Virgil, it’s yet another reason why releasing a single static view isn’t a good idea. People are being forced to make judgements based on that one rendering. You’ll notice that I’ve refrained. In an age of too much information the Bills have unfortunately blundered into providing way, way too little. I’m hoping they fill in the public….and fast! I agree, but I don’t think I’m wrong. You can see the opening on the corner endzones from the outside rendering too. I understand the concept of having walk-in standing room, but not at the expense of more fans in seats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Einstein said: I also find it interesting that it’s not symmetrical. The left side of the 100 level has a gradual slope, while the right side has a fairly steep slope. The 200 level on the left is shaped a bit differently and the 300 level on the left has a wall behind it, while the right side doesn’t. They're the same slope, it's just the perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Just Jack said: I know, I just found it interesting how far down the list they would be, when you look at the other NFL team cities rankings. What the GB situation has always shown me is how lucrative an NFL franchise is. They can finance their own stadiums with profits and franchise appreciation. Owners typically pocket that. NFL allowed them to do it as a "grandfather" type deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, Jukester said: What’s off to me is how underwhelming this rendering release is as far as views and details. Two pictures after all this time and all the hype?? Horrible horrible marketing. Instead of pumping up the fans with excitement, many of us are left with more questions. Honestly these pictures aren’t too different than the generic ones they released when Populous was announced. Why not wait til you have more to release like interior, suites, overhead, and 360 degree interactive views. I’m still confident the stadium is going to be fantastic (a little worried about the canopy) but just can’t believe they blew the rendering release this badly. Felt the same way. Long wait, for 2 nondescript pictures. It's on par with what I expected, though. They have an awesome on field product, but the Bills business side of things has always been acluster you know what, IMO. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: They're the same slope, it's just the perspective. Ok. Very deceiving perspective then. Are the differences in the 200 and 300 levels perspective too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: What the GB situation has always shown me is how lucrative an NFL franchise is. They can finance their own stadiums with profits and franchise appreciation. Owners typically pocket that. NFL allowed them to do it as a "grandfather" type deal. It’s certainly unique. The cost of entry now is beyond astronomical, obviously, but I kind of like having a little different formula for one city. They have more “charm” than Jerry Jones at the other extreme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, Einstein said: Ok. Very deceiving perspective then. Are the differences in the 200 and 300 levels perspective too? Nope, obviously a different set-up there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I think it looks phenomenal. The exterior views are outstanding, interior as well. ...and this is coming from a fellow architect who did the new addition on the Guggenhiem. 2 6 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 3 hours ago, without a drought said: Bills 24 Jets 3 They got some things right. I don't understand the dead space there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: I don't understand the dead space there And what's on top of the scoreboard? Giant beer kegs? Oh, wait, no. It's a variety of train horns with different tones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) After giving it time to digest, I gotta say that I'm really happy with how the stadium looks. I wasn't too impressed at first, especially with the exterior, but now really like it. It suits our team and the area. It's nothing "over-the-top", but is very practical, with a modern, clean feel to it. I would be happy to sit in any of those seats to watch a game. Great sight-lines, with a balanced feel between a big open-aired stadium, and a modern one with a roof. (I do hope the roof extends further than what this rendering appears to show.) In regards to the exterior... is that all mesh covering the entire stadium? It's purpose it to basically "absorb" some of the wind, so it all doesn't swirl around the building and onto the field, right? If so, it makes sense. What an exciting time to be a Bills fan! Thank God. Edited October 28, 2022 by Bad Things 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bad Things said: After giving it time to digest, I gotta say that I'm really happy with how the stadium looks. I wasn't too impressed at first, especially with the exterior, but now really like it. It suits our team and the area. It's nothing "over-the-top", but is very practical. I would be happy to sit in any of those seats, if I ever get up there again. Great sight-lines, with a balanced feel between a big open-aired stadium, and a modern one with a roof. (That said, I do hope the roof extends further than what this rendering appears to show.) In regards to the exterior... is that all mesh covering the entire stadium? It's purpose it to basically "absorb" some of the wind, so it all doesn't swirl around the building and onto the field, right? If so, it makes sense. What an exciting time to be a Bills fan! Thank God. Yep, the clear part is the "mesh" material they talked about for the "wind confusion." A brick facade on the lower part of the exterior wall. The top edge of the stadium (and possibly the overhang?)is comprised of the ETFE plastic material that they can light up with any color. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBCBNKxu2bM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I was hoping it would look a little more like my avatar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, Augie said: I was hoping it would look a little more like my avatar. Got to ask what stadium your avatar is. Looks like the old WM in Buffalo, but so many old ones looked alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Got to ask what stadium your avatar is. Looks like the old WM in Buffalo, but so many old ones looked alike. War Memorial baby! My first vision of awe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Augie said: War Memorial baby! My first vision of awe. My 1st time there was in ‘69 for Bills. Was there countless times watching Bisons and the Butcher. Kind of doubt I’ll make it to the new one. Will enjoy driving by it checking on its process. Been to Rich Stadium countless times as well, too, as I live 3 miles away. Edited October 28, 2022 by I am the egg man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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