Week 6: Bills at CHIEFS 10/16 4:25pm

[BigAl2526]

On 10/10/2022 at 6:22 PM, Bills2022 said:

 

Injuries mean nothing unless it is the QB.  I factor in a bad game or two. Math still is the same.  The winner will have a 2 game lead over the other.  It is nearly impossible to make up two games on either team.  These teams are miles ahead of everyone else. 

Ergo, injuries must have meant nothing in the Bills' loss to Miami a few weeks ago.  If injuries meant nothing, then either, the heat an humidity was enough to cause the Bills' loss or Miami is a better team.  I'm not buying it.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

In a word:

No.

 

He's right on pace for where he was last season.  6-7 receptions per game, 70 Y/G

 

 

Who are these Bills CB who are going to excel at press man coverage vs. Kelce?

 

Dane Jackson can not play press man.

 

Tre White can play press man, he is not gonna play.

 

Elam may be able to play press man against KC eventually.  He was drafted to provide that ability with the hope he could develop into a quality off ball corner.  But right now, if you put Elam alone on Kelce I think Kelce will shake him off like your pesky 7 year old sister.

 

Possibly Elam on Kelce and hopefully Jordan Poyer helps him out if he plays. Really want Poyer in this game badly if healthy.

Edited October 13, 2022 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[sonyab1974]

31 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Go Bills.... Can't wait for the weekend.

 

Me neither!!! GO BILLS!

 

31 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

  Damn, I am so not into my job today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

😂😂 You better pay attention to work! What do you do?

 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Could be a break for us.  Clark has looked much better this year than he did last year...

 

Hopefully we don't have 15 guys limited today again setting up us worrying up til kickoff on whether they are playing or not

[PrimeTime101]

looks like KC will be starting 2 rookie CB. now the game is evened up

[ColoradoBills]

18 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Question: who are the backup gunners?

 

I'm not sure, thus my statement.  Remember both Kumerow and Jones are indispensable on special teams, or so it's been said.

To be honest, it was a half joke.

[buffblue]

No Poyer or Edmunds for the 2nd consecutive day today. We really need one or both against the Chiefs. Poyer especially needs to be out there with a bye upcoming and the schedule lightening in the 2nd half. 

 

This is not the game to be conservative with relatively minor injuries

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm not sure, thus my statement.  Remember both Kumerow and Jones are indispensable on special teams, or so it's been said.

To be honest, it was a half joke.

 

I think it's a good question.

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, Playoffs? said:

Ok… so you’re a Chiefs fan, or Dolphins fan.. which one is it?

 

Mahomes was more polished and sat an entire season.  He has had incredible weapons since day one, and perhaps the most innovative offensive minded coach we’ve seen. Not taking anything away from Mahomes, but you must be kidding to call it ‘varying degrees of talent around him.’
 

Allen was widely regarded as project QB. He shouldn’t have seen the field in year one, yet he did. And for his first couple seasons, he had trash for talent around him. While the Bills have boosted their talent around Allen, they still have some significant flaws… yet Allen is the one that seems to put the team on his back despite it all. 
 

If the Bills lose on Sunday, it’s one loss, they’ll be fine, and it means nothing more than what the media will hype it up to be. There will be 2/3 of the season remaining after this game. Literally anything can happen. The Chiefs lost to us last season early. How did that play out for them afterward?

 

Gotta keep things in perspective. 

 

I'm not disputing what Mahomes walked into vs Allen, my point is that he's been great from day one and the only reason he didn't start out of the gate as a rookie is because Alex Smith had a ridiculously good season and best of his career in 2017.

 

Mahomes has also been to 4 straight AFC Championships, 2 SB's, and one championship. They certainly didn't have anything close to the Bills on defense the entire time he's been there.

 

Also disagree about the magnitude of this game on Sunday, I do believe that if the Chiefs win they are well on thier way to a unprecedented 5th straight AFC championship game at home. Which means the chances of the Bills getting a SB decreases exponentially.  If the Bills are going to change the course of history and whatever destiny lies ahead for Mahomes it starts this Sunday. They have to force this guy to at least play one road playoff game for the first time in his career.

[WideNine]

27 minutes ago, sonyab1974 said:

 

Me neither!!! GO BILLS!

 

 

😂😂 You better pay attention to work! What do you do?

 

 

Running a project for a Healthcare company, but struggling to focus.

 

Usually can firewall off my Bills to a safe place, but I have been looking forward to this rematch since the 13 seconds debacle.

 

 

 

 

 

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, buffblue said:

No Poyer or Edmunds for the 2nd consecutive day today. We really need one or both against the Chiefs. Poyer especially needs to be out there with a bye upcoming and the schedule lightening in the 2nd half.

 

Huh?  Both Poyer and Edmunds practiced yesterday, and we don't have the list yet today.  Where are you getting this?

[YoloinOhio]

 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think it's a good question.

 

My guess it's two of the following.

Neal

J. Johnson

Hamlin

Lewis

 

[RichRiderBills]

Butker is a good K but I love the notion of a beat up K.

[Warriorspikes51]

9 minutes ago, buffblue said:

No Poyer or Edmunds for the 2nd consecutive day today. We really need one or both against the Chiefs. Poyer especially needs to be out there with a bye upcoming and the schedule lightening in the 2nd half. 

 

This is not the game to be conservative with relatively minor injuries

Huh? They both practiced per Sal

[RichRiderBills]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Huh?  Both Poyer and Edmunds practiced yesterday, and we don't have the list yet today.  Where are you getting this?

 

Yes, his info is not accurate.

Edited October 13, 2022 by RichRiderBills

[Beck Water]

13 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I'm not disputing what Mahomes walked into vs Allen, my point is that he's been great from day one and the only reason he didn't start out of the gate as a rookie is because Alex Smith had a ridiculously good season and best of his career in 2017.

 

Um, Nope.  This has been discussed here multiple times.  A number of Chiefs players have commented on this, how Mahomes was not ready at all as a rookie (though he showed flashes) and how he improved between Season 1 and Season 2.

 

13 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Mahomes has also been to 4 straight AFC Championships, 2 SB's, and one championship. They certainly didn't have anything close to the Bills on defense the entire time he's been there.

 

During Reid's 10-year tenure as KC HC, the Chiefs have had a top-10 defense 7 of those 10 years. 

 

During the 5 years Mahomes has played, they have had a top-10 defense every year but his first (and so far, this season).  Part of that is when you're the #1 scoring offense (his 1st season and so far this season) and score quickly, the D has can go into prevent mode and give up "meaningless" points and there isn't a lot of pressure on them to choke down on every drive.

 

But Spagnuolo knows something and the Chiefs do not neglect stocking their D personnel.

 

Now, back to your regularly scheduled whatever-you-call-it.

 

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

My guess it's two of the following.

Neal

J. Johnson

Hamlin

Lewis

 

Jaquon J. has a pretty defined role as the 'personal protector' on punting team.  Don't want him gunning when he's starting at safety, either.

 

How fast is Hamlin?  I didn't think he was very fast but can't find a 40 time.  Also if he's the starting safety, "do one thing well".

 

Neal could be one of them.  McKenzie says he's the fastest guy on the Bills team.

 

 

Edited October 13, 2022 by Beck Water

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Um, Nope.  This has been discussed here multiple times.  A number of Chiefs players have commented on this, how Mahomes was not ready at all as a rookie (though he showed flashes) and how he improved between Season 1 and Season 2.

 

 

During Reid's 10-year tenure as KC HC, the Chiefs have had a top-10 defense 7 of those 10 years. 

During the 5 years Mahomes has played, they have had a top-10 defense every year but his first (and so far, this season).  Part of that is when you're the #1 scoring offense (his 1st season and so far this season) and score quickly, the D has can go into prevent mode and give up "meaningless" points.

 

Now, back to your regularly scheduled whatever-you-call-it.

 

And the Bills have also had a top 10 defense every year under McD/Frazier including last year and how did that turn out? A blowout loss at Arrowhead in the AFCCG is McD/Allen's career achievement, why haven't they been able to do what Mahomes and Reid have under similar circumstances?

[freddyjj]

4 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

Elam got picked on the last game & gave up a lot of completions. Athletics all 22 breakdown said it stood out in film & showed Elam was not quick enough to change his direction & keep up on come back routes. KC is sure to pick up on this & while we played more man last week than we will against KC, Mahomes will be better than Pickett at exploiting Elam. He could be the Achilles heal for this game defensively. 

Good points D&D!  See  https://www.pff.com/news/week-5-man-and-zone-rates-week-6-predictions

 

We played man 22% of time vs the Steelers and 23% vs Ravens.  Against Rams and Dolphins, with scarier WR corps, we played man <10% of time.  The attached says Chiefs face man D almost half the time.  Can't see Bills doing this as the Bills only play man 14% of time on average.  

[TH3]

3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

And the Bills have also had a top 10 defense every year under McD/Frazier including last year and how did that turn out? A blowout loss at Arrowhead in the AFCCG is McD/Allen's career achievement, why haven't they been able to do what Mahomes and Reid have under similar circumstances?

Bills are not as good as the Chiefs …never were and never will be…

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Bills2022 said:

The Bills need to win this game.  They are the better team. That said, the loss would probably not be as bad as I originally thought, only because the Bills should get Tre White back. If he is healthy, that is enormous.  The Bills could go into Arrowhead and win if they are healthy with Tre White.  Let's hope it is not necessary.

So…..the bills don’t NEED to win a week 6 game….  
 

When a team is 4-1 there will never be a game that is must win.  Ever.  Especially this team, this year.  We NEED to win in the playoffs.  We can win the super bowl without the #1 seed.  

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

1 minute ago, TH3 said:

Bills are not as good as the Chiefs …never were and never will be…

 

Never ever?

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, TH3 said:

Bills are not as good as the Chiefs …never were and never will be…

 

If you are being serious, yes this is the correct answer. At least a present.

 

This team has a chance to finally change that and it starts on Sunday. And no matter what anybody says (including the coaches and players) it's not just another game.

[Greg S]

Just now, NewEra said:

So…..the bills don’t NEED to win a week 6 game….  
 

When a team is 4-1 there will never be a game that is must win.  Ever.  Especially this team, this year.  We NEED to win in the playoffs.  We can win the super bowl without the #1 seed.  

 

I would rather not go this route. McDermott's teams are winless on the road in the playoffs but undefeated at home.

 

Bills 0-4 on the road. Jags, Texans, Chiefs (2)

Bills 3-0 at home. Colts, Ravens, Pats.

 

I want that #1 seed for the Bills. 

[TH3]

Just now, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

 

Never ever?

Never…can’t you see…Mahomes is better than Josh…Reid is better than McD….why do we even bother arguing? Well…at least according to Filthy

[TheBrownBear]

7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

And the Bills have also had a top 10 defense every year under McD/Frazier including last year and how did that turn out? A blowout loss at Arrowhead in the AFCCG is McD/Allen's career achievement, why haven't they been able to do what Mahomes and Reid have under similar circumstances?

It's a process.  By the time they had their first playoff matchup in 2020, Mahomes/Reid already had a SB under their belt.  The Bills simply weren't ready for the big stage.  Last year they had clearly pulled even with the Chiefs and essentially lost on a coin flip.  

 

Another simple answer is that Mahomes, Kelce and Hill are generational, HOF talents in their absolute prime and Reid is clearly a HOF coach, AND we were playing in their crib in both games.  It's not as if our seasons ended in some pathetic fashion by being upset by a lesser team in our building.  The Chiefs are great and they are the dragon that must be slayed.  No doubt about it.

[Greg S]

8 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Bills are not as good as the Chiefs …never were and never will be…

 

Never? Go watch those Bills vs Chiefs playoff games from the early 90's. I seem to recall them knocking Montana out and kicking their ass all day long.

[TH3]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If you are being serious, yes this is the correct answer. At least a present.

 

This team has a chance to finally change that and it starts on Sunday. And no matter what anybody says (including the coaches and players) it's not just another game.

Comparing the two coaches and qbs is ridiculous ….Reid got canned from Eagles after a decade because he couldn’t win the big one…he won one SB in KC….in a decade…McD and JA came into a complete mess and built a powerhouse in 3 years….Mahomes sat for a year and started on a playoff team….JA had crap for 3 years…give it up…your angle sucks

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

I would rather not go this route. McDermott's teams are winless on the road in the playoffs but undefeated at home.

 

Bills 0-4 on the road. Jags, Texans, Chiefs (2)

Bills 3-0 at home. Colts, Ravens, Pats.

 

I want that #1 seed for the Bills. 

Sure, I’d “rather” we win the #1 seed too….

 

but we don’t NEED to win this game.  No matter how anyone wants to twist it.  It means very little.  Just as last years bills win over KC meant nothing.  It’s a regular season game in week 6.  Lots can happen between Sunday and the playoffs.  

[Big Turk]

22 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If you are being serious, yes this is the correct answer. At least a present.

 

This team has a chance to finally change that and it starts on Sunday. And no matter what anybody says (including the coaches and players) it's not just another game.

 

The Bills were better than they were last year and the gap has widened.  13 seconds not withstanding. Allen should have beaten them twice last year.  On the road.

 

Bills won by 18 in the first matchup and barely lost in OT.

 

The metrics say this year's Bills team is among the all-time teams.  KC is not that. The Bills have the potential to bludgeon the Chiefs while the Chiefs have almost no ability to do the same to us.

Edited October 13, 2022 by Big Turk

[ColoradoBills]

22 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

Jaquon J. has a pretty defined role as the 'personal protector' on punting team.  Don't want him gunning when he's starting at safety, either.

How fast is Hamlin?  I didn't think he was very fast but can't find a 40 time.  Also if he's the starting safety, "do one thing well".

Neal could be one of them.  McKenzie says he's the fastest guy on the Bills team.

 

I don't think there is worry about any starter playing a couple of plays as a gunner.

They will go down the depth chart and whoever's names are there will do it.

[BigAl2526]

On 10/11/2022 at 10:57 AM, Airseven said:

Mahomes against this banged up Bills secondary is appropriate for Halloween.

The Bills secondary is getting a bit less banged up.  Kaiir Elam got dinged on the foot, but I think he'll be fine.  On the other side, I think Benford is expected back.  I think that's why Buffalo let Ingram go (resigning him to the PS).  I wouldn't be shocked if Buffalo called up Jared Maden.  The thing is, Mahomes doesn't have the game breaking receivers he used to have.  They're OK, but I don't know that the Bills' DBs can't cover them.  Kelce is Mahomes' biggest target now.

[Magox]

Looking better

 

 

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Sure, I’d “rather” we win the #1 seed too….

 

but we don’t NEED to win this game.  No matter how anyone wants to twist it.  It means very little.  Just as last years bills win over KC meant nothing.  It’s a regular season game in week 6.  Lots can happen between Sunday and the playoffs.  

 

Absolutely this isn't a must win for either team. 11 games for both teams after this one. But I don't trust the Bills on the road in the playoffs. Maybe this team is different but I would rather not find out.

[JohninMinn.]

The home field advantage after 50 years of observation:

 

1) Crowd influences refs on pass interference and ruffing the passer calls. It's subliminal. 

 

2) Ball spotting. Inches go to the home team.

[BananaB]

Bills are better now, that’s all that matters. Mahommes ain’t going up against the same defense he’s use to when he faces us. Can’t ***** wait until Sunday. 

[buffblue]

32 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

Yes, his info is not accurate.

Yep it was my bad I accidentally looked at last week's report on Twitter.

 

Glad Poyer and Edmunds got in a limited session today

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Magox said:

Looking better

 

 

 

Looks like Poyer, Edmunds and Knox are the big concerns for tomorrow's practice.

Hope Cam Lewis is just cautionary and is back to full tomorrow.

Not counting on Benford and Phillips at all.

[Big Turk]

13 minutes ago, Magox said:

Looking better

 

 

 

I mean not really...none of the key pieces we need that were out last week are any different than they were last week.

 

How long can someone be "limited"?? IMO, if it's more than a day or two why the hell are they even out there to begin with, because they would likely heal quicker without practicing.

 

WTF is with dudes being "limited" for 2 weeks. It makes no f***ing sense.

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Looks like Poyer, Edmunds and Knox are the big concerns for tomorrow's practice.

Hope Cam Lewis is just cautionary and is back to full tomorrow.

Not counting on Benford and Phillips at all.

 

I can't understand if someone is injured enough to be "limited" for 2 weeks straight why the hell they are even bothering to have them practice? It doesn't make sense.

 

It should not take 2 weeks to come back from a limited diganosis

Edited October 13, 2022 by Big Turk

[uninja]

10 minutes ago, Magox said:

Looking better

 

 

 

Jones back to full is low key awesome, guy has been an absolute anchor at the 1T spot. Him not playing would be a big loss, especially with how the Chiefs OL is run blocking with their guards. The tackles are the weak link there. Our edge guys should feast and be able to be disruptive.

 

Would really prefer if we had a decently healthy Edmunds, Knox and Poyer for this matchup. Chiefs have a lot of weapons to throw to and we need our best out there in coverage.

 

Not expecting Phillips to play, unless this is just a chronic issue with his hamstring and we can use him rotationally on a pitch count.